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B22909 The continuation of Christ's alarm to drowsie saints by the reverend and faithfull minister of Jesus Christ, Mr. William Fenner ... Fenner, William, 1600-1640. 1657 (1657) Wing F683A 480,531 330

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THE CONTINUATION OF CHRIST'S ALARM TO Drowsie Saints WITH A Treatise of Effectuall Calling The Killing power of the Law The Spirituall Watch. The New Birth A Christians ingrafting into Christ A Treatise on the Sabath Which were never before published BY The Reverend and Faithfull Minister of JESUS CHRIST Mr. WILLIAM FENNER Late Minister of Rochford in Essex LONDON Printed for John Rothwell at the Fountain in Cheapside and Tho. Parkhurst at the three Crowns against the great Conduit at the lower end of Cheapside MDCLVII To the Reader Christian Reader HE that should speak to the praise of this Authour should commit the same soloecism that he did who writ De laudibus Herculis of the praise of Hercules whom no man ever dispraised Should all men be silent stones would speak for him those at least of whom through Gods mercy he raised up children to Abraham He was a man of great abilities great experiences and great industry which three concurring must needs make him a workman that needs not be ashamed He was a man well seen in the state of soules and one who knew with wonderfull prudence and judgement to accommodate himselfe to mens various conditions which is a chiefe part of a spirituall Physitian The subject here presented to thee is of great worth and great difficulty it is about the best created object a Saint de corruptione optimi the corruption of the best the eclipses of those Lights the falls or rather the tremblings of those pillars a point wherein if in any there is need of great accurateness lest a man 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 whiles he avoyds one extreame Quae Deus abscondit ne scrutemur quae in apertum protulit ne negligamus ne aut unâ ex parte nimiae curiositatis aut alterâ ingratitudin is damnemur runs into another Need of great wariness lest a man either harden the hearts and strengthen the hands of evill doers or sadden the hearts of those whom God would not have made sad It is one of those points which it is like many think fitter to be smothered in perpetuall silence because of the sad consequences will almost unavoidably follow upon it But surely there is a great deale of truth in that saying To search into those things which God hath thought fit to conceale is boldnesse and curiosity to neglect those things which God hath revealed is grosse ingratitude And therefore leaving events to God for our parts we conceive the pains of this Reverend Authour are to good purpose and such a subject deserved to be handled by such an hand The former part setting aside what concerns the Ministers of Christ c. speaks to dead Christians to the sect of Nominales such as had meerly a name to live but were dead and distinguisheth between the dead child and the living This second part speaks to the distempers of living Christians who though they shall not see death yet may with Epaphroditus be brought nigh unto death yea with Eutychus may be taken up for dead and so judged by the standers by You have here a Christian in his Autumne or his winter wanting not onely the blossome of a glorious profession but also the fruit of a pious conversation for ought that either himselfe or others conversing with him can discover Surely this is one of the saddest and most amazing meditations that a gracious heart can pitch upon it is one of the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the hidden things of God which we shall never throughly understand the reason of donec Elias venerit untill the comming of Elias for the prosecution of this point the Authour takes that course which a prudent Physician doth in the cure of bodily distempers First he opens the natures shews the causes gives the signes both Diagnostick and Prognostick and then comes to the Therapeutick part And all of them handled so substantially and seriously pro more suo that we doubt not those that feare God will look upon it as a singular providence of God that hath brought such a Treasure to light We may well conjecture that it will be a Book wherein the people of God vvill be seriously conversant the subject matter thereof being of such constant and necessary concernment To this is added a Treatise of Effectuall Calling and other Treatises wherein you vvill meet vvith divers things vvorthy of the Authour And although all of us vvho have subscribed this Epistle have not perused the vvhole yet vve have good cause to hope that it is a book vvhich if it be read vvith prayer and consideration vvill adde to thy spirituall stature and comfort in Christ onely remember that it is not enough to be a formall reader vvithout personall and practicall application But vve vvill not detain thee by our Preface from this profitable piece vvhich vvith thy selfe vve commend to the rich blessing of the Almighty through our deare adored Saviour in whom vve are thine in the service of the Gospel Simeon Ashe William Taylor Matthew Poole John Jackson John Seabrooke London Octob. 21. 1656. Imprimatur EDMUND CALAMY Errata in the Continuation of Christs Alarm PAge 1. l. 44. r. it may p. 5. l. 20. r. strive with p. 70. l. 4. r. sinning against p. 78. l. 27. r. are bidden Errata in Effectuall Calling Page 4. l. 25. r. of Darkness p. 7. l. 6. may r. must p. 14. l. 21. r. restore unto me the joy p. 33. l. 50. r. and what p. 39. l. 17. r. a Reception on mans side p. 44. l. 35. r. no possibility p. 47. l. 1. r. define faith l. 45. r. throw thy self p. 51. l. 40. r. Hope of p. 56. l. 21. r. to task p. 58. l. 53. r. to pray p. 60. l. 36. r. have him p. 69. l. 29. l. 29. r. thine hand p. 72. l. 27. r. that a justifying p. 77. l. 2. r. that hath affiance p. 79. l. 5. r. every man Killing power of the Law Page 5. l. 8. r. Damnable p. 11. l. 53. after meaning dele e. A Table for the Second part of CHRISTS Alarm to Drowsie Saints Point 1. WHy a child of God may think himself dead when he is not p. 1 Causes of false livelinesse 1 Novelty of religion and grace p. 1 2 Violent commotions p. 2 3 Indiscretion 3 4 Presumption 5 Activeness of natural disposition 6 Extraordinary assistance 5 7 Freedom from temptations 6 Point 2. How far forth a child of God may be dead shewed in these particulars 6 1 All by nature are dead 2 The liveliest of Saints have some deadnesse 7 3 The dea●●st of Saints have some life 4 The point is t●cklish and dangerous i● had be no● taken 8 1 It m●y embolden the adversaries of the Church 2 It may harden such standers by who ar● dead in sin 3 It may render such people dead and careless who were once stirred 5 The point though dangerous yet needfull 9 6 How far forth a child of God may be dead 9 1
4 Stir up Sympathy 69 Qu. 5 How shall we sympathize with Christs members Ans 1 By informing our selves concerning one another 2 By visiting fellow-members 3 By laying to heart their afflictions Of the Sabbath Exod. 20. 19. Prop. 1. There must be some set time for the worship and immediate service of God 70 Reas 1 All actions cannot be done at once 2 Because of our dulness Prop. 2. There must be some set time every day Reas 1. Else we live like beasts 71. 2 Every morning God reneweth mercies 3 God is the beginning and ending of all things Prop. 3. Every day is in some sort a Sabbath Reas 1. Gods covenant with us requires it 2 Not to do so is a brand of hypocrisie 3 Blessednesse consists in it 72 4 This is the sum of the law of righteousnesse Prop. 4. There must be a particular special day Reas 1. That in this life we may have an Emblem of Heaven 2 Gods honour requires it 73 3 God sometimes calls for extraordinary dayes 1 Of rejoycing 2 Of fasting 1 When judgements are feared 74 2 Mercies wanting 3 Souls tempted 4 Some notable work undertaken 4 It is most equitable 75 1 That God should have one day 2 That our souls should have one day Prop. 5. One day in seven is to be set a part for Gods worship Reas 1. Gods positive command 76 2 It is Gods day 3 That servants cattel c. may have rest 4 God hath sanctified it 5 Because we are apt to be worldly c. Prop. 6. That day of seven is to be kept holy on which God rested 76 Prop. 7. All that is in the fourth Commandement is not essential to it Prop. 8. The fourth commandement continually to abide in force 78 Reas 1. Because the Sabbath was instituted before there was room for ceremonies 2 The Sabbath was kept before the Law given 3 It was written by the finger of God 79 4 God often urgeth this Commandement as well as any other 5 Else we have not ten Commandements 6 Christ plainly tells us so 7 The Heathens have ever kept a Sabbath day 80 Prop. 9. The first day of the week is now the Lords day 81 Reas 1. From Psal 118. 24. 2 From Rev. 1. 10. 3 Christ calls himself Lord of the Sabbath 82 4 Christ commanded the Apostles to keep this day 5 Christs wisdom would not leave such things uncertain 6 Who should institute this day but be that is the head 7 All Christians have kept this day since the Apostle time 8 Gods judgements on the prophaners of this day do evince it 83 Use 1. Then we are to keep an whole day 84 Reas 1. We have six whole daies for our selves 2 God rested an whole day 3 From Levit. 23. 32. 4 God never instituted halfe holy daies 85 5 It is the judgement of Divines in all ages Use 2. Then sports are unlawful on this day Reas 1. Because working is otherwise commanded sporting only permitted 2 Working doth less distract the mind The Second Part of CRISTS Alarm to DROUSIE SAINTS REVEL 3. 1. Thou hast a name that thou livest and art dead I Have spoken of the life of the affections and now I should come to the next thing namely to shew how far a child of God may be said to be dead but before I handle this there 1. Point why a child of God may think he is dead or deader then ever when there is no such matter Seven cases of false liveliness 1. Novelty of Religion and grace is another point that would be spoken to in a word or two and that is this Why a child of God may think himself to be dead when he is not and think he is grown deader then ever he was and there is no such matter and others may think he is grown cold and negligent and yet the truth is he is more affected and more alive towards God then formerly this is a very needful point and there be several causes of false liveliness which a child of God may have and when they go away he may seem to be deader then he was whereas indeed he is not so The first is novelty of Religion and grace when grace is yet new and the word comes fresh to a man and the promises of eternal life look freshly into a mans heart they will affect him much and not only raise his sanctified affections but his unsanctified too for the unsanctified affections will stir at a novelty a man that hath no grace at all nor any life will be stirred at a new thing as when the Apostle preached new doctrine to the Athenians Acts 17. 32. we will hear thee again of this matter say they they cared not how often they heard this because it was news to them so when Christ preached up and down O what new doctrine is this say they never man spake as this man Joh. 7. 46. it was a new kind of preaching new gifts this stirred them mightily so it may be with a true Christian when the word of God comes first to him and grace comes first to him the novelty of grace may affect him when God first opens his eyes how strangely will he be moved in prayer how strangely will he carry himself at a Sermon his very bowels yearn at a Sermon and he will cry out Oh the infinite mercy of God to my soul what a beast was I before I was an hell-hound a child of the Divel and now the Lord hath made me a child of God I went on in the high way to perdition and now God hath brought me into the right way this is admirable but do you think these are all good affections there is a great deal of corruption in these as new Beer when it is first tunned it hath a great deal of working then but when it is staler it doth not work so much yet then is the Beer more powerfull and hath more life as it is with a mans first entrance into an hot bath it doth so stir him as if it did seald him but after he hath been in a while he is sensible of little or no heat the heart is as much as it was at the first and works upon him as much but he feels it not so much so a good Christian doth not seem to be so much affected afterwards as formerly are his true affections therefore down no but his unsanctified ones are down may be a man hath not lost a jot of his true and sound and sanctified affections but only his unsanctified ones for when grace comes first into the soul of a new convert there is a greater Army raised up for God then is likely to continue there are a company of mercenary Souldiers steping and seem to go out and to fight for God as well as the 〈…〉 t you shall have more fears in that man then are true and more de●●res after grace then are true carnal desires and joys and delights these
but saith he The Lord though I was one of his elect yet he let me fall to this pass that I might be a pattern to them which shall afterwards believe so we may say of Gods children after conversion David may say For this cause among the rest the Lord left me to my self the Lord let me fall so fouly and lifted me up again that I might be a pattern to many poor people to the end of the world that they may see the loving kindness of the Lord and the infinite compassions and bowels of mercy that is in the father of mercy towards them that trust in his name we should never believe the mercy of God the freeness of his grace the goodness of his nature towards his beloved towards those whom he hath effectually called were it not for such examples Secondly The Lord doth this for to punish the carelesseness of his people and their security many times what sin is there that is more apt to grow upon them then security it is a stealing sin it is a secret and cunning sin that comes closely and slightly upon a man before he is aware if he look not to himself now when a man grows to be secure the Lord takes this course many times to eat it out to punish the security of his people Peter when he had gotten faith in Christ and affection to Christ when he felt that his bowels did yearn after Christ and his heart was enlarged towards him he grow secure upon it though all forsake thee yet will not I he was Mat. 26. confident but it was carnal confidence for though the thing a man trusts in be the grace of God yet as long as it is grace received it is trusting in a mans self he therefore was carnally confident now he would venture himself into the high Priests hall though he thus affections will never be drowned he might go any whither well he comes into the high Priests hall and there comes into the very mouth of temptations and dangers he doth not dream how easily his heart may be caused to deny Christ he did not dream what a ticklish heart he carried in his bosome he grew to be bold and venturous now the Lord to heal this security let him fall in a desperate manner he let him get a knock almost to beat out his brains even Mat. 26. 74. to curse and ban himself not only to deny Christ but with abjuration the Lord seeth it is needful to do thus when people grow secure we ought alwaies to carry a covenant about our eyes to take heed where we look and when we are in company to have a bridle in our mouth to take heed what we speak now if we grow careless and negligent and this bridle is gone and this covenant is gone and our watch is taken away no marvel though the Lord be provoked against us to punish us and that soundly and let many of his people get a knock and who knows how great a one and how hard to heal again Thirdly the Lord sometimes leaves his people to themselves that so they may see they stand meerly by grace I doe not mean by grace received though they had all faith though they had never so much knowledge never so much experience and interest in God never so much sense and feeling of him never so much life and zeal and quickening whatsoever it be all the enlargements that ever any man had I doe not mean this for a man never stands by this but by the free favour of God that is the grace a man stands by the free good will and love that God doth bear unto him Now when a childe of God shall have received a great deal of grace a great deal of knowledge and faith c. he is apt to be remisse in seeking of God to direct him in that thing he knowes he thinks he can direct himselfe we see let a man have very good parts and knowledge and be able to preach how apt is he to be the lesse in prayer to God to help him to Preach and guide him to deliver the Word So let another man have a great deal of knowledge may be the man will be the less sensible of his own wretchednesse and ignorance and aptness to mistake and erre and goe aside and so to be lesse eager and earnest with God for his continual aid and teaching and assisting of him every moment So let a man have a great deal of zeal and life and quickening he is apt to discern the lesse pronenesse to coole again And suppose a man hath mortified a lust nay all his lusts he can hardly feel he hath any desire after such a sin hardly any motions or stirrings in his heart I tell you this man if he takes not heed will be a venturing oh he thinks he is cock-sure he is so taken off from the lusts of the flesh that he can never catch hurt and he may be sometimes will admit of occasions and admit of drawing something neer the pits brink he is so mortified he fears nothing Now the Lord in his infinite goodnesse to his people leaves them to themselves are you so mortified come let us see how mortified you are and so leave him to himselfe to see what the man can doe with all his knowledge and zeal and mortification and now this man falls Look how far God leaves a man so far he falls he will have his people see that they stand not by grace received but by the free grace and favour of God It is not in him that willeth nor in him that runneth but in God that sheweth mercy Rom. 9. No though a man have never so many gracious endowments and heavenly vertues it is not in him that willeth but in God that sheweth mercy it is in the fountain of mercy and loving kindnesse in God Let a man keep close to God let a man still observe the pleasing of God that there may be a continual fountain open running down upon him from day to day for if he grow secure and look not to himselfe he exposeth himself to woful dangers Fourthly The Lord leaves his people sometimes thus fearfully to themselves that he might teach us to be sensible towards our brethren to be mild and meek and piteous and full of bowels and compassion towards the weakest and meanest of all the Saints of God if we see but any thing of God nay but any likelihood that a man is of God to be tender for fear we should wrong a childe of God the Lord doth this of purpose to breed bowels and meeknesse and gentlenesse towards his people As God lets men fall horribly before conversion that they may carry themselves meekly towards those that are unconverted for fear any of them should be of the Elect of God so he lets them fall after conversion that they may carry themselves so towards them that are converted I say the Lord lets his
grape he had planted and delighted in it but presently the Devil hooked him in which he might have prevented if he had been watchful the Devil is that Nimrod that greedy hunter that goeth up and down and makes pits and layes snares to catch souls and if we doe not watch we fall into them 1 Cor. 2. 13. Paul saith I was among you with much feare he knew what danger he was in therefore he was in much fear if we did love our own quickning and the cherishing of whatsoever grace we have received we would watch over our selves but where is this generally all the world is fast asleep even good men and all the Devil may sow what tares he will there is no watching in prayer and in hearing of the Word and doing good duties no watching in observing the Sabbath no watching in company no watching alone what may not the Devil doe when we are all as sleepy dogs and love to snoar and dulnesse and deadnesse and blockishnesse and worldlinesse and unsetlednesse grows upon us to the utmost there is no body watching against temptations they may come flowing in like violent waters there is no withstanding of them people are like to Saul that was marvellous finely quickned at one time he would not goe on in his envy against David he should not die by any meanes no his heart was so enlarged that he bound his soul by a covenant that he would be as good as his word As the Lord lives he shall not die Jonathan had used many arguments and they so wrought upon him that he could give the right hand to David and all his malice was out and David was a great man at Court again 1 Sam. 19. 6 7 8. But for want of watchfulnesse within a little while the evil spirit came into him and he would have murthered him again so Jonah when he had run from God and God had humbled him now he would never follow lying vanities any more now he would goe to Niniveh and preach let what danger would come but by and by not looking to himselfe he is as much out of tune again as ever he was as if he had never had these shinings he was overgrown with passions I doe well to be angry even Jonah 4. to the death I cannot tell which was the fouler distemper A third Cause of our general deadness is the lowness of Religion which men generally content themselves withal a low kinde of Religion that will never reach half way to Heaven that will never attain to any quickning Religion it is a very high thing Prov. 15. 24. it is a thing alone a man must raise himself aloft when he means to come into the way of eternal life it is an high calling Phil. 3. 14. It is said of Jehosaphat that his heart was lifted up in the wayes of God Jerusalem that is above all 2 Chron. 17 godly souls that have true Religion indeed are men above Now people generally content themselves with a low kinde of serving of God that doth not come out of the suburbs of Hell and condemnation the suburbs of hell Gal. 4. reach a great way a man may goe even to heaven gates and yet be in the suburbs of hell but to get into heaven and escape hell beneath is an high pitch but men seek out a low way by the valleys they think to come to heaven this way it would choak most people to say that their conversation Phil. ● is in heaven as the Apostles was that they are strangers upon earth as the Patriarchs were that they hate every sinne as all godly men doe that they go mourning all the day long under their corruptions and failings and that it is the greatest grief of their hearts that they walk not according to Gods goodness and that they use all means to get rid of their sins that they delight in every ordinance that they delight in Gods Sabbaths and hunger and thirst after righteousness it is the greatest desire of their souls and hearts to do thus it would choak them to say thus no they never attain it this is the way of life that is above but it is too high for fooles therefore no wonder that men never come to quickning for they are not in the way of life for the way of life is above and Pro. 15. they grope after the things below and have not their conversation above now how can we look for quickning when we do not go in the way of life which is above Fourthly Another reason is the vanity of mens minds this is the cause of horrible deadness Psal 119. 37. vanity when a man gives way to it it doth horribly dead the heart vain thoughts vain speeches vain expences of time vain meetings together without benefit these are deaders they lock up mens hearts and exhaust all the good and all the sap of any goodness in them 't is true the children of God may talk how things go in a far country in the Church of God and other places and they may talk of their business in the world and this may be like bottle-beer when it is first poured out into the cup it seems to be all froth but by and by it turns to good liquor again so though these discourses about worldly affairs and how things go are froth if they go no further yet if they turn to good substance and are sanctified and brought home to the heart to edifie and awaken and bring a man nearer to God now they are good where there is a good use made of them but otherwise they are horrible instruments of death and soul-murther among men Fifthly Mutual example we do even dead one another for people are apt to look upon one another Ministers upon people and people upon Ministers and Ministers one upon another and if we be not much cast behind one another we hope all is well with us this is that which deads peoples hearts whereas people should follow Gods light Gods dealing with them and not look upon others and if we look upon others we should look upon those that are quickned Luke 7. 44. seest thou this woman c. there was a woman was quickned indeed her bowels melted her eyes were fountains of tears her very soul was affected she was quickned indeed seest thou this woman so if we will look upon others upon the Saints of God seest thou this woman look upon those that are most quickned but when we look upon others and say such a one doth so and so and why may not I I may do as well as he when we do thus this is apt to dead our hearts The sixth cause of deadness is covetousness and worldliness Christians that have been weaned from the world so long as they keep their minds off from the world and set them upon better things they are full of life and quickning and are able to pray and confer sweetly but when as once
heart c. The heart is deceitfull above all things who can know it 'T is true but I the Lord search the heart and try the reins So you see God takes it to himselfe as his own Prerogative Royal to search men out what they are And indeed the Lord sometimes in Scripture is described by this very thing the searching of the heart Rom. 8. 27. He that searcheth the heart Who is that The Apostle doth not tell us who it is but you may guesse who it is by the Epithite he gives him So that God I say is known by this and will be known by this by searching mens hearts and discovering what men are and aym at and intend what men hate and what they love what things they doe and how they doe them Secondly As this is Gods Prerogative Royal so of all things in the world he will bring that which is secret out whether men be sincere or no. Men make a shew O they are baptized and come to Church and take paines in their places and callings and what can you alledge against me Now of all things in the world God will discover this if men be not as they seem to be if men have malice in their hearts and pride if they seek the world and be ambitious and seek to please men and make as if they would please God if they be false-hearted God will discover this he will discover all things but specially Hypocrisie if any will be Adulterers and will not be known to be such if any will be proud or scoffers of Religion and will not be known to be such God will bring this to light as Job saith If you secretly accept persons God will surely reprove you Job ●3 10. God will bring all the world and all their doings to light but of all things if men have secret haunts and back-doors to doe evill if men have devices and colours to put off their actions if men can dawb up wretched and filthy cases as if they were good if men will goe about in this fashion to dawb with untempered morter such sins and sinners as these God will lay before him as Moses saith Psal 90. 8. As who should say thou layest all our sins before us but if we have any secret sins thou layest them upon a rock in the open Sun the Lord especially ayms at them there be many persons in the world that are godly and honest and yet are covered by the scoffs and reproaches of the world as if they had no good nor did any good and there are others again that are boulstered up in the world as if they were good men and better then those that keep such a pudder Now the Lord as he will bring every thing abroad so specially this Thirdly Because it is for the glory of God to search men out as Solomon saith of a King Prov. 25. 2. It is the glory of a King to search out a matter as when the two Harlots were brought before Solomon concerning the child whose it was there was no way in the world to know it there was nothing but their own asseverations the one said it was hers and the other said it was hers the one affirmed the other denied it before the King now we shall see what a glory it was to Solomon to search out who was the mother of the child the Text saith all Israel feared King Solomon because of this thing 1 Kings 3. 28. They trembled before him they saw he could search out secrets and hidden things therefore they durst not do wickedness in secret for fear he should finde them out so it is the glory of God to search out secret matters and bring them on the stage if a man be upright and this man is spawl'd and spit upon and born down in the world if the Lord should not search it out what a dishonour would it be to God and if a man should goe for a good Christian and is not and God should not finde them out what a dishonour would it be to him it is the glory of God to search out secret matters Fourthly It is for the truth of God he hath said he will search every one out as you may see Job 34. 22. So he hath said He that hideth his sins sha●l not p●o●per Prov. 28. 13. So he hath said He that walketh uprightly walketh su●●ly but he that perverteth his wayes shall be known If God hath said thus certainly it concerns his truth to see it made good and therefore he must search them out Fifthly This is for the Justice of God that God should search out every one what he is and what his works be how should God judge the world else therefore when God said he would judge Judah and punish them because they had forgotten him he gives this as the reason of it Therefore saith he I will discover thy skirts upon thy face that thy shame may appear So when God means to glorifie his Saints and bestow the Kingdome of Heaven upon them therefore he will discover their honesty and lay open their godly courses and reward them for all the taunts and vile reproaches of the wicked The first Use may serve to reprove most men generally we do not consider that God will search us what a company of pleas are there to doe evil what a company of put offs to doe good duties If men can but find any starting hole glad are they and if they can but finde any silly pretence then they are made then a man can never get them to doe that which is good When Moses was loth to goe to Pharaoh what abundance of pretences had he to put it off O saith he I am unworthy who am I that I should goe before Pharaoh and another time I am not eloquent He made as if it had been his modesty he was not fit for the office he did not consider that he was to deal with God that could search him out Moses saith he goe before Pharaoh for they are dead that sought thy life As if he had said I know thy thoughts thou hast killed a man in Egypt and thou art afraid that Pharaoh will kill thee but that Pharaoh is dead therefore goe So when a man is unwilling to doe a duty he will have a thousand excuses bid men have prayers in their Family they will say they are not book-learned and cannot pray and how prove you it to be a duty any thing God bids them doe they are willing to doe if you shew them but a place of Scripture for it they make this the reason but this is hypocrisie the reason is they care not for God nor for the Family they care not whether they be saved or damned they care not that the fear of God may be in their children and servants they care not for this but they will not believe this is the cause Again bid another be diligent in his Office alas what shall a man