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A73761	The epistle congratulatorie of Lysimachus Nicanor of the Societie of Jesu, to the Covenanters in Scotland. VVherin is paralleled our sweet harmony and correspondency in divers materiall points of doctrine and practice.	Nicanor, Lysimachus, 1603-1641.	1640 (1640)	STC 5752; Thomason E203_7; ESTC R17894	65,738	81

to submit themselves obediently to follow their Leaders Covenanters inform for Pes●n●ive whom God at this time hath largely furnished with counsell and courage for the good of his Church and Kingdome The reason why they should follow them and not be carried away with the Kings Proclamations quia potestas civilis subjecta est potestati spirituals quando utraque pars est ejusdem reipub B●●● de 〈…〉 l●b 〈…〉 Christianae A fourth error which you with good successe have abolished that you deny the power of convocating and distr●ss●ng of Assemblies to belong to the Supreme Magistrate In the Protes●ation in July 1638. you maintaine your power of convocating Assemblies therefore in the 27. August 1638. it was well put in among your Instructions before the Assemblies VIII Instru●● that the ablest man in each Parish should be provided to dispute Depotestate supremt Magistratús in Eccclesiasticis praesertim in convocandis Conciliis It s your wisdome to assemble when hee commands you so long as it is conducible for your ends but yet you have power to assemble in a Nationall Assemblie in what place of the Kingdome you please S●●rat●●● 〈…〉 Socrates did smell too much of a Court Parasite while he said we make mention of Emperors throughout this History for that since they became Christians ●cclesiastical matters depend on them the greatest Synods have been and yet are called by their appointment He offended you who said that as Moses is custos utriusque Tabulae so is he custos utriusque tubae as the civill Magistrate is keeper of both the Tables so hee is keeper of both the silver Trumpets for war for calling of Assemblies and dismissing of them and that you would but blow the Trumpet of Sedition it without the Kings authority you should convocate Assembles either for peace or for warre The Marquesse of Hamilton was too presumptuous being called with the Kings Authoritie to discharge your last Assembly which as you said well was to raise Christ's Court and therefore it was not ill advised by one of you that seeing the Marquesse was faithfull to his Master the King so you ought to be faithfull to your Master the King of kings Jesus Christ and to defend his Royall prerogative above all the Kings of the earth In your answer to the Marquesse of Hamilious Declaration you affirme that your Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction is independent and in your Zions Plea you say that your Presbyterian discipline is the Scepter of Christ swaying his own house according to his hearts desire the soul the chief Commander in the c●mp Royall and your ●ravers sayes De dis●●p E ●cl s●●●g 142. Huic disciplinae omnes orbis Principes Monarchas fasces suos submittere parere necesse est There is a necessity that all the Princes and Monarchs should submit their Scepters and obey this discipline And your Mae Lellan whom some call a foole spake not foolishly while he preached that the King had no more to do to meddle with your Assemblies then you have to meddle with his Parliaments It was wisely then dont by you in rejecting any protestation or appellation from your Assemblie by the Bishops and their adherents to the Kings Majestie for such appellations ought not to be seeing there is none Supreme above your Nationall Assemblies And therefore as you have not hitherto regarded their protestation and appellation but have proceeded against them to deposition and excommunication so continue and be not dismaid though they should renue their protestations and appellations even in the words of Athanasius in protesting against and appealing from the partiall coun ell of Tyrus Athanas● polo● cap. 2. which appellation and protestation of Athanasius and the rest of the orthodox Bishops was in these words Because we see many things spitefully contrived against us and much wrong offered the Catholik Church under our rames we be forced to request that the debating of our matters may bee kept for the Princes most excellent person We cannot beare the drifts and injuries of our enemies and therefore require the cause to be referred to the most religious and devout Emperour before whom we shall be suffered to stand in our own defence and plead the right of the Church c. If those your Bishops flying to the King as Athanasius and the rest of the orthodox Bishops did to the Emperour shall procure an edict or command from the King as those did from the Emperor to charge you all to appeare before him to plead your cause you ought not to appeare as that miserable Synod of Tyrus did The Edict was so peremptory that they durst not resist The Edict was in these words Your Synod hath decreed I know not what in a tumult and uproare while you seeke to pervert truth by your pestilent disorder for hatred against your fellow Bishops But the divine providence will I doubt not scatter the mischiefe of your contention and make it plaine in our sight whether your Assembly had any regard of truth or not You must therefore all of you resort hither to shew the reason of your doings for so doth it seeme good and expedient to me to which end I willed this rescript to be sent you that as many of you as were present at the Councell of Tyrus without delay repaire to the place of our abode there to give an account how sincerely soundly you have judged that before me whom your selves shal not deny to be the sincere Minister of God in such cases c. I say then if you shall receive such a charge from your King you should not obey for in your sense that is To betray the Royall prerogative of your King Jesus Christ but returne the answer of Core Dathan and Abiram with ingemination We will not come n●m 16.12 14. J●r 2 31. we will not come or your Lords Lay-Elders may return that of Jeremy We are Lords We will no more come unto thee And if your King will not be content with your answer prosecute your begun course with all diligence and earnestnesse having begun in the spirit end not in the flesh but go on with that which they call disorders till you get the King in your power and then he shal know what subjects you will be If the people of one citie falling in sedition for matters of Religion so prevailed passed all power of resisting 〈◊〉 lib. ● c●p ●4 that Anastasius the Emperour was fain to come to an open place without his Crown by Heraulds to signifie to the people that he was readie with a very good will to resigne the Empire into their hands how much more may you who have many cities by cōtinuing your courses force your King to resigne his Crown of Scotland And howbeit the people of that citie seeing the Emperor in so pitiful a case were moved with the spectacle changed their minds besought the Emperour to keep his Crown

Monarchie in the Primitive Church their plea was Rogamus Caesar non pugnamus and aliter nec debeo nec possum resistere Ambros●●●l contra Auxen● Yet let not this trouble Us for herein is fulfil'd the prophecy of Christ while he said He came not to send peace but the sword And againe this change is necessary for else his Holiness the Pope should be subject to the Emperor according to that of Paul Let every soul be subject to superior powers which he neither is nor ought to be Rom. 13.1 And therefore Bernard is herein deceived himselfe while he makes this a generall rule without exception Bernard Epist 42. saying Qui conatur ab ha● regula excipere conatur decipere for both Pope with us and people with you must be a excepted The Church of God hath ●●ter'd too much already in the Primitive times she hath been too long in the Category of Passion crying with teares Oramus non pugnamus she ought now to be in the predicament of action with Pugnamus oramus holding that I may use your own words a supplication in the one hand and a sword in the other To this purpose Master Andrew Ramsey Minister of Edenburgh said pretty well that it was Gods will that the Primitive Church should confirme the truth by suffering and that now the truth being confirmed it s his will that we defend the truth by action in resisting Tyrants and what war is better then that which is for Religion But here an Auticoveuanter wil reply perchance say Where did ever any suffer under Tyrants for defending of your Presbyteriall government of active or ruling-elders and of passive or ruled-elders which had its first beginning from Calvin in some sort but as you have it it was never in the world till the yeer 1638. For in Geneva it is only proper to the supreme Magistrate to chuse the Lay-●lders for they are only Commissioners for the Seigniori● neither hath the Minister any voyce in their Election much lesse the Multitude and all that Calvin gave them is praesse moribus and in Church matters they are called ad consiliū but not ad consensum But now in Scotland not only the whole Church takes the supreme power to it selfe but also every parish takes upon it to be an absolute independent society quire contrary to the practice of Geneva chusing their Ministers and Elders also without number and to those Elders equal power is given with the Minister in Presbyteries and Assemblies in giving decisive sentence in matters of faith and deciding of controversies whereof God knowes they are most ignorant and in a word they want nothing of the power of the Minister but that they preach not nor baptise in publike congregations yet its common to see Lay-men among them in private Conventicles to take upon them the calling of a Minister in preaching and praying Or where did any at any time suffer for abjuring Episcopacie as an antichristian government so this being a truth never yet confirmed by suffering must not now be defended by resisting according to Ramseyes own rule but being an Article of his negative faith it must first be confirmed by suffering I would enquire then sayes the Anticovenanter of Ramsey if he dare suffer for it and be the Protomartyr in this cause but he would be like the man that came to the marriage without the wedding garment dumb and speechlesse Or if he speak it would bee negative like his faith saying with Athanasius Quod non à patribus profectum est-sed nuper inventum quid de co aliud exist imari debeat quam illud ipsum cujus Paulus mentionem facit 1. Timoth. 4.1 But finding my self dig●●ssing I will return to the point which I was about concerning government Seeing this mixt government is most conducible for your ends it were requisite that your Nobles would assume to themselves Princely Authoriti● as is thought some of you have done make progresse in this good work For let me speake it between me and you till you Kings government be changed you shall never lawfully resist him For I have perused all your Divines and find them all condemning the lawfulnesse of resisting such a King as yours is but at the most they hold it lawfull in some cases only to resist conventionall or conditionall Princes Hence it was that the Ministers of Wittenberge were most opposite to our doctrine of resisting Princes ●p●● M●●●● W●●●●h in their publike sermons but when they beheld upon what expresse conditions the Emperour was elected to the Empire to the which he was not borne then they said Docuimus quidem hactenus nullo modo resistendum esse Magistratui ignoravimus vero ex legum civilium praescripto id in certis quibusdam casibus etiam legitimè fieriposse We have hitherto taught that the Magistrate by no manner of way ought to be resisted for we did not know that by the prescript of the civill law it might in some certain cases be lawfully done So Pareus as you know was the last that wrote upon that subject whose opinion when it was condemned by your learned Divines his son Philippu● Pareus purposing to defend his fathers opinion yeelds his sword and giveth over the combate even at the entrie Append. a● 13. ad Rom. in those words Loquitur enim D. parens meus ut Theologicaeteri juxta cum politicis jurisconsultis iis quorum sententiam ac judicium in hoc argumento sequutus est parens noster non derege absoluta potestate indut● sed de principibus sub conditione admissis That is my father and the rest of the Theolognes Polititians and Jurisconsalts whose sentence judgement in this argument my father hath followed do not speake of a King endued with absolute power but of Princes who are conditionally admitted And therefore if you would make any lawfull resistance for time to come it s most necessarie that you labour for a change of government now and make your selves free We have Scripture for us But if thou mayest be made free use it rather 1. Cor. 7.26 Claudian did but deceive himself neither can I endure him while he saies Fallitur ogregio quisquis sub principe credit Servitium nunquam Libertus gratior extat Quam sub rege pio Nay I say Quam sub rege meo such a King as is mine so mine that I may un-make him againe whom I have made mine Try this at your Parliament see if your King will yeeld to this order which I have told you of the Roman Emperour to subject himself to you his Subjects that the Majesty may reside in you Audentes fortuna juvat Your successe may be gloryed of Your King hath yeelded so much unto you that you may bee confident to have this yeelded also If he had been a mercilesse Tyrant he had been so farre from granting you all your Petitions that he might have imposed moe burthens upon