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A19224 Discoverye of a counterfecte conference helde at a counterfecte place, by counterfecte travellers, for thadvancement of a counteerfecte tytle, and invented, printed, and published by one (person) that dare not avovve his name Constable, Henry, 1562-1613. 1600 (1600) STC 5638.5; ESTC S111899 27,719 97

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frame comon vvealths after their pleasures fancyes as thoughe they vvere the superious vpō vvhome Pope all persones of vvhat qualitye so euer are to depēde frō vvhome al persons are to receaue take their directions for spirituall temporall affaires vvhich hovve great an absurditye it is for thē to thinke that all vvise mē do not see their rashe folishe dangerous courses vvherunto they pretende doth argue ther insolenty pride so much to blinde their Iudgement as that they see not hovv their deuises drifts vvilbe vvhoped hallovved out of all mens conceipts that be indifferent and that vvould haue their Countrye kept from tyrāny spoile of ancient nobilitie lavves costumes priuiledges vvhich is that it semeth these masqued author and lavvyers most desiere And it semeth straūge to vvise vertuous people that this author disguised lavvyers makinge shevv to be Catholickes to aduaunce gods cause folovv not the patterne example of his holiness predecessors vvho haue euer helde milde modest courses tovvardes the kinge of Scotlāde moste aggreable to the Apostolicke Romaine Catholicke church vvhich is a svvete Mother esteeminge it the best and rediest vvaye to dravve gaine suche princes to the right true religiō as be out of the sayd Churche specially not of malice but by Education And yet these phantasticall Aucthor lavvyers vvould haue all violente furious courses exercised against the sayd Kinge As depriuation of his ovvne realme and right to the Crovvne of Englāde yfit laye in their povver Thoughe they see by dayly experience that both princes other particular persons of great qualitye that falle from theCatholicke Churche beinge once in it vvere accompted as desperat persones for euer returninge yet since haue reconsiled them selues vvith great repentance and haue done notable seruices by theire examples in procuring hasteninge others of principall ranck to be reconsiled as namely the most Christian kinge of fraunce hath done for the vvhich he deserueth immortall fame And therfore since God hathe geuen his grace that suche remember to returne to the right vvaye that vvere strayed forth of the same as also hath called and doth call dayly infinit nombers that haue bene borne bred vp in heresie in many places specially in Fraunce vvher of late haue bene recōsiled to the Catholicke churche as it vvere manye vvhole to vvnes and cities of people that vvhich is gteatlie miraculouslie to be noted the chefe occasion instruments hereof to be by thre persons conuerted to the Catholicke faithe that vuere in theyr kinde qualitie the most sharpest and bitterest enemies against the Catholicke cause that is to say the kinges Ma. of Fraunce that novve is a most mightie Prince the bishop of Eureux a very learned Prelate and Monsieur sainct Marye a gentilman of great respect vvherfore should these vncharitable aucthor lavvers condemne the kinge of Scottlande as desperate to reconsile him selfe to the true churche since besides that vvhich hath bene sayd of his Ma. he neuer shevved him selfe vvillfull obstinate in any of his actions but gouerneth him selfe vvith that vvisedome clemencye liberalitye affabi litye vvithe other singular naturall and morall parts vvhich God hath geuē him that gaineth him great renovvme gi ueth great contentement to them that knovve him And it is verie like that God vvho hath bestovved these notable partes vpon his Ma vvill not refuse him the grace that maye make him knovve God be best for his soules health demandinge the same as he ought to do as vpon good consideration conference if he vvill accept the same he may do hereunto no doubt vvill he be the better incited vvhen he shall thinke that it is he onely of his race that svvarueth frō the Catholicke Religiō in vvhich all his noble Princely progenitors haue liued died And specially his most sacred mother vvho sealed the same at her death vvith her bludde for the vvhiche she is a Martyr by the meanes vvherof he is a Martyrs sonne vvhich passeth the dignitye of a kinge or any other vvorldly tytle And lastly vvhen his Ma. shall here hovv disceatfully falslye Plessey Morney did alledge so many hundred places passages of the doctors others to maintaine his vvicked doctrine vvhich being manifestly discouered in his ovvne presence a fore indifferent Iudges of Catholickes of his ovvnne Religion novv knovven to all the vvorlde haue procured hi perpetual shame haue made many since that tymevvhich accōpted him as one of the chefe heddes learnednest ofther religiō to leaue him to yealde them selues to the obediēce of the catholicke churche And therfore since there is not desperation of the kinges Ma. of Scotlandes acknovvledginge the true Churche this auctor vvith his lavvyers maye see vvhat grosse and foule errors they commit that vvill not let God vvorke his vvill vvho hath the hartes of Princes in his handes but vvill take vpon them by speaches vvritinges and practises to Censure of his sayd Ma. in the vvorst sence that may be to the tuine of his honor and tytle to the Crovvne of Englande because he doth not iust at that tyme as they vvould haue hi folovve their pleasures and directions Thoughe his Holiness and his predecessors haue bene are contented to sitte stil and be silent vvithout doinge any thinge against his Ma. and haue reiected all informations vvhiche I haue herd of credit this author or somme of his associats haue caused to be geuen to his Holines or some about him to procure an excomunication against his Ma. And herin it is to be noted that his Holines predecessors procedinges and actions ar gouerned and directed vvith ane other manner of spirit vvisedome and discretion then those lavvyers haue bene and that they had and haue their scope and ende cheiffye to aduance Gods glorye and rhe true Church vvith out shovvinge fantasticall humors passion and partiallitye as this auctor and his lavvyers haue done and do And let them not think hovve smothely and svvhiftly so euer they hope to runne avvaye vvith their driftes and deuises and that they vvould seeme to daunce in a nette in suche sorte that no man shoulde marke finde their subtiltyes and craste but that they be espied and clearely seen And that vvhen opportunitye serueth vvhich perhaps vvill not be longe therunto they vvilbe mette vvith all by those that are most interessed and that the name of the aucthor of the booke of tytles vvith his odious practises shal be presented to his Holines and secunded vvith suche manifest profes as neyther his accustomed cauillations equiuocations nor doblinge vvill or shall serue for his purgation but onely simple and playne dealing must be shevved than it shall appeare vvhether princes and others haue iuste cause to be greeued and offended or no and vvhether this author meriteth not to be chastised and commaunded to retyre him selfe from meddlinge farther in matters of state vviche shal be best for the publicke good and his soulthes healthe The book of succesfiō is put fourth as a babling libel The booke vvas preiudicial to the late kinge of spay ne and to this present The argument of the treatise The conference to be disliked for three reasons Tbe scope of the conference Tbe vvayes to the marke A general compact of the conserrers so bring englande to the Ciuil lavves Roman Aspecial compact that tvvo lavvyers and not lavvmust be vmpiers of this matter Six Articles of the la vvyers agreement The Ciuilian must lead the temporal lavvyer Popularitye Popular Doctrin Feigned mnximes of foreing lavves to direct the Crovvne Practise for acōmon fame A furmised dovvtfullnesse A dangerous insinuation A sediciouse cballenge Shyfts to further surmise by complyinge vvith the tyme. Dissimulatitn duplicitie in speache must be vsed No heyr apparent must he knovvē To vvyne tyme by false bruts The Qvvene must seeme to be put in securitie for her tyme. Things must hes affirmed byvvaye of protestation onely The late earle of Darbye The circumstances of effect like co folovv this matter of con ference A vayne euasiō General mischiefs innouasion Theltbeller nayther pro fiteth the kinge nor the comon cause Of Disser uice done to the kiuge by this conference The popular Doctrin is ill grovvnded Mischieses in scotlande by this popular Doctrin Mischiefes in Arragō by the same Doctrin Mischieues of this Doctrine in the lovve Countrie This book of conferēces vvas not published vvith the late kinges priuitye nor this lininig No vvise man vvill cōsent to his ovvn The kinge preiudicied in stat by the booke manye vvayes in this dayes specially No kinge sure of his state but remouable by lavve at vvill of people A fond assumption of the lavvyers A cra sty shyft to blere the late kinge this liuin ge heeyes vvith a contradiction Flatterye dissimulation disgraceth any attempt Blasphemis against the Sac●●●d state of Regall dignitye Absurdities against bothe king subiect A kinge is but tenant at vvil of the people VVhat vashe boldenesse these difguysed lavvyers shevve This author and lavvyer mock abuse the kinge of spayne The authors extreame malyce against the kinge of scotlande This author preoccupi ethe the office of a Pope This author refusethe to take his holinesse for an example No cause to esteme the kinge of scotlande desperate to be reconcyled to the true Caetholicke churche as theis lavvyers vvolde haue the vvorld to thincke
A DISCOVERYE OF A COVNTERFECTE CONFERENCE HELde at a counterfecte place by counterfecte travellers for thadvancement of a counterfecte tytle and invented printed and published by one PERSON that dare not avovve his name Printed at Collen 1600. TO THE AVCTOR OF the counterfaicte conferēce c. ITvvere as easy for meyf Ivvould to discouer your name vvith assured proofes as to detect the deuises and dristes of your conterfeat conference made at Amsterdam but since as it seameth youe are ashamed to iustifye the same vvith your name I am not he that vvill publishe it because it might be thought by somme that are redye to enterpret thinges to the vvorst that hatred might induce me therunto that vvhich I desire chefely to be effected by this discourse next to the inconuenience that might generally haue grovven by your fraude and desceit vndesciphred is that you vvould looke vpon your ignorance or malice or perhaps bothe vvhich is manifest by seakinge to maKe diuision betvvene Christian Princes that are in charitye and frendship one vvith an other by defacing the Monarchical state vvhich so longe tyme hath ben vsed and approued and by disposinge of the Croune of Englande not vveighinge vvheare the right lieth but vvhear your fācye best liketh if in this later poit your vvould excuse your selfe by sayng you determine no mans title the course of your vvhole booKe and diuerses practises de facto shevue the contrarye These thinges be not os small vveight or importance for that they concerne kinges and kingdomes and require the practise vvisedome and experiēce of other maner of heddes then yours is yea and that in nombre to the assēbly of a Court Parlement Tharfore your maye see vvhat cause of discontentement you geue to all vvise and indifftrent men and vvhat disgrace you haue braught to your selfe and bretherne for thar if any happē to be kinge of England besides those tvuo youe vvould seme most to aduance it is likelye according to the rules of policye and state that your selfe vvilbe in question for meddlinge in these matters abo uè your reache and capacitye and your bretherne vvilbe blamed and banished out of the Country for approuinge or at the least for not chastisinge your levvde and yvell demenor methinketh the preuenting of these incomodities should ma ke youe cōsider of somme remedyes and the remorse of your conscience shoulde breede repentaunce vvhich cominge from the botome of youe harte vvill force youe in as ample and publicke maner to disclame and disauovve your sayd conference as euer passion and partialitye did inuite you to set forthe the same This is the best and casiest vvaye to satisfie the Princes discontented the people scandalized and your selfe endaungered and this is that I suppose your vvisest friendes vvill aduise you vnto for my particular I do praye for you and vvishe no vvaye reuenge to your person but re formation in your maners as God I call vvitnes vvho direct youe to that A DISCOVERYE OF A COVNTERFECTE CONference helde at a countersecte place by counterfecte travellers for th aduancemēt of a counterfecte tytle and invented printed and published by one PERSON that dare not avovve his name IT is obserued and hath bene noted lōge in the vvorlde that no Vanitye is so light vvhiehe beareth not somme credite no fable so phantastical but some vvill beleeue it nothinge so disorderly attempted vvhiche hath not fovvnd a supporter Euen so it falleth ovvt touchinge a certē vaine diet appointed somme yearespast to abuse the vvorld vnder the title of a conference aboute the next succession to the Crovvne of Englande beinge in deede a confused bablinge of Idle troublesome trauailers vvithout interest to deale in suche matter and a verie confederacie of a practize against the blood Royall state and dignitye of that nation Therfore vvantinge the true and certaine of place persone author and other due circomstances it may vvell be called an infamous fablinge chartel or Libel feigned to be conceiued in Holland knovven to be fostered in spayne falselie fathered of R. Dolman printed at N. to vvit no certain place Iustifiable vvith licence of it may not be knovvē vvho Neuerthelesse all must be so commended at the first sight for pleasure vtilitye the author so extolled for sharpnesse of vvitte plentye of muche readinge cunninge in conueyhance abondance of eloquēce and other graces as none can finde any vvant or default Nay to amplify the estimation as vvel of the author as of the libel it is prouided that vvhosoeuer by vvorde deede or contenance seemeth to dislike the one or the other all suche persones must be reputed by a common fame there vpon condemned as enemyes to the priuat designes of the kinge Catholique and aduersaryes to the common cause Albeit it is very likely that the late kinge of spayne nor this kinge liuinge vvere euer priuye to the contents of that Libel nor expressely consented to the publishinge therof as vvill appeare heareafter Therfore it is but a ridiculouse sentence so rashelye to censure men and very partial suche also as aduāceth the credit neyther of kinge nor cause For vvhen a man pretendethe a clayme neuer heard of in any age to an other mans lande vvhose quiet possession actually right also apparently in all vvyse mens eyes haue concurred cōtinued manye hundreds of yeares in him those vvhose state title he hath inioyeth no indifferent vvise man vvill allovve that the sodainlye supposed pretendor may haue any reason by a bare clayme to think that he should beare all avvay vvithout contradictiō especiallye vvhen the clayme excedeth measure is misliked generally and bringeth vvith it suspicion of euill dealinge other vvayes as made by trauailinge strangers vvithout the supposed pretendors vvarrant and priuitie In respect vvherof for vvant of vpright behauiour the same crime may be imputed more Iustly to the Libellor his libell as preiudiciall to the same kinge and cause For as there are manye indifferent persones in diuers nations all a like affected to the matter of suc cession not caringe vvhat vvaye it runne are not tied to the kinge in any speciall obligation nor alienated from his Ma. nor frō the sayd cause vvho are persuaded that a redier course might haue been taken vnder a better pretense for aduauncement of bothe Euen so there are manye others of the same opimon vvho if comparisōs may be allovved are accōpted to haue as muche interest as the libeller his trauailinge consorts haue in the matter of successio haue better vvarrant of Lavv in defence of Lavve to reproue that conference then those conferrers haue vvithout Lavve against lavve to iustifye or commende it yea haue bene fouvnde hetherto as redie hopinge God vvillinge so to continue as the practizers in that conference to aduaunce the common cause euerye lavvfull vvaye and the sayd kinges honorable designes also and to doe to his Ma. seruices offices in aduauncement of his
honor to the vttermost of th aire povver mary in ordine adDeum vsque ad aras so farre fouth as they may in adue order tovvards God and vvith saftie of a rectified conscience More thē this I am sure so good a kinge vvill not requyer Therfore vvhat so euer the sayde practizers for theire pleasures profits doe pretend blovv a broode by vvordes clamours against others for the Catholique kinges priuat or publique designes or for the common cause true it is that suche as findinge thē seliues thus affected to Gods honor safetye of theire consciēces and there vpō vnvvillinge to incouraige the sayd practizers thair cōference are the bolder to speake against bothe as they haue greater reasons more effectuall motiues in vveight measure to dislike boath And that in respect as vvel of the matter as of the manner or forme and of circūstances touchinge theffect that may depend therof or concurre there vvithall accomptinge for matter the lothesome drifts and scoopes vvherunto the sayd conference doth tend for manner forme suche absurd vvayes and meanes as theis cāuassers haue deuised to abuse the vvorld therby to vvork ther feat And for circumstances of effects the feares perills mischiefes inconueniēces thretned not only to the englishe natiō but also to the vvhole Christiē vvorld and eyther necessarilye cōcurringe vvith those cāvasses or occasiōally folovvinge them yea vvayting and attendinge to offer theit seruices The principal scoape dryft first in mynd though last in operation in meane vvhyle dissembled besides the deposīge of the present possessor is to supplant dispossesse disherit the true heire lavvfull successor of the english Crovvn vvith all the ofsprīge to translate and alter the ancient lavves and customes of that Realme and cōsequently to trāsforme the gouernement of that Nation in to a Prouince or at the least to thrust in to the Royall throne against the right course of english lavves a forainer bred borne farr of vvhiche neyther in her ovvne personne nor any braunche of the roote from vvhence theis practizers pretend to deriue hir title vvas auer herde or tho ught of in the memorye of man nor before mentioned in any record of any age to suche effect or purpose as novv is deuised Nay if any such things haue bene spokē of theis smoothe conferers haue practized in time past to suppresseit to beare the garland an other vvay that not longe a goe as heare after shal be declared And for the vvayes meanes to dravv this on they are many but all rovvghe vneauen tedious indirect out of the highe vvaye that may be lead to any good end all things vvell vveighed yet agreable to suche an attempt as in like trouble some interprises it falleth out that odd shifts must be made for tooles to remoue blockes to skovver strets make vvays clearer for crafty surmises vvily insinuations to vvalke more smoothely currātly to the marKe Touchig the scope butte of the booke I vvill speake hearafter generally for the particular mischiefes therof euery true english mā dooth throvvghlye see at the first sight In the meane tyme let vs serche the vvayes to see vvhat monsters lye hydden therin And soe vve shall find theffects like to folovv the practizes of theis conferrers vvhat gloriouse pretense so euer they geue Thersore first to begine vvithall emonge diuers Crafty shifts vvhiche vve finde there is a deuice to make the mattet seeme good by all lavvs as vvell Civil Roman as municipial englishe touchinge Ciuil gouernement and direction of thenglishe nation for guidinge the course of that Crovvne Although the same deuice be opposit to that aunciēt ordonaunce vvhich for abolishinge the force of Cesars Civil lavves our of that Realme for establishinge a municipial lavv there vvas ordained by authoritye of that famous holy father Pope Eleutherius euen in the begininge vvhen Christian Religion vvas first vniuersally plāted in that Iland and vvith the full consent and vpon request as vvell of the Christien Kinge of great britaine Lucius as also of his nobilitye spiritual and temporal lords of that Realme This deuice beinge once set dovvne then tvvo lavvyers the one a gētilmā theother a speciall temporall lavver of englāde must be brought in to represent the persones of all other lavvyers of professions vvith the tongues ofbothe those lavves Thies tvvo vvhiche neuer before agreed in this affayre many other must be novv made fryends or els all vvere marred to conspire vvith certaine Idle troublesome trauailers against the municipial lavves yea cōtrarye to the purpose vvhy bothe those lavves vver made vvhiche is to make peace and against the profession of all good lavvyers vvhiche is to resolue doubts and quarels spetially vvhē dyets are appointed for consultation as the finall cause of this assemblye touchinge suche an affayre vvolde haue bene if it had bene called in gods name and collected of setled men not of vvan dringe trauailers vvell this nevv reconciliation of auncient aduersaries is novv thovght to be necessarye as in like practizes of innouation hathe been often vsed against truthe Iustice for novv by their agremēt vve must haue not only a trāsfiguration of the shape forme of that common vvealth but a transmutation also or translation at least of the verye matter vvher vpon the true common vvealthe of englande euerye particular mans state doth rest and that is the lavves lavvful customes of that Realme as a speciall meane to haile vs al to the forsay de scope And all this must be contriued through thattonement of this tvvo lavvyers by a more spedy intrusion of Cesars Ciuil Roman lavves thovvgh they are by authentique authoritye longe agoe abolished by continuall silence vvorne out of vse buried vvith a free consent of the vvhole nation in manye ages 1. And amonge manye conclusions agreed vpon betvvene these tvvo one must be that vvhat soeuer the Ciuilien sayeth our tēporall lavvyer must svvere subscribe to it be it true or false and he must up holde the Ciuiliā vvith yea or nay at all assayes that may serue to ouerthrovve the municipiall lavves of englande vvith out respect to the vveightye reasons sage considerations therof deriued from the lavves of God and nature as most agreable to the cōditiōs and qualityes of that natiō 2. An other conclusion is that theis tvvo lavvyers thus prepared for opinions affectiōs must set forvvard so as the Ciuiliā shall lead the vvaye the tēporal lavvyer must folovv the Ciuilian shall goe before not as the angel Raphael vvent before younge Tobye to chase a vvaye murderinge diuels but to call in mischieues vpō mischieues al maner of vvayes by contentiouse spirits not to demande due dets vpō lavv fall spetialties but to make vndue dets bank roupte by playne rauin robbery not to procurre a mariage by order of lavve