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A14856 Catalogus protestantium, or, The Protestants kalender containing a suruiew of the Protestants religion long before Luthers daies, euen to the time of the Apostles, and in the primitiue church. Webbe, George, 1581-1642.; Gee, John, 1596-1639. 1624 (1624) STC 25160.7; ESTC S123319 58,161 115

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same Faith which wee professe by the Bohemians Waldenses c. alreadie hath beene made manifest But how long time is it I pray that the name Papist whereof of late they were ashamed and wherein they now so much glory was knowne or acknowledged in the world Act. 11.26 Optat. Mileuit lib. 2. cont Parm. or whence is it that leauing the auncient name of Christians they rather with the Donatists appropriate vnto themselues the name of Catholicks Doubtlesse howsoeuer they bragge and boast of Antiquity wee may apply that of Bildad vnto them They are but of yesterday Iob. 8.9 for how could a man know what it was to be a Papist or what was the body of Religion before the Councell of Trent had defined it Trent Councel concluded An. dom 1563. which was since Luthers time Let them shew where their Papall Supremacie was before the time of Pope Goodface the third or their Latine Seruice before the yere 680. Platina or their Romish Masse before Adrian the 1. Anno 780. Iacob de Vorag in vit Gregor Exposit Rom. ord ann 1215 1222. ex Act. Rom. Pontif. 1414. or their Agnus Dei before Pope Sergius an 700. or their Transubstantiation before the Councell of Lateran or their eleuation and adoration of the Sacrament before the time of Honorius the third or their eceiuing of the Communion in one kinde onely and the absolute forbidding of the contrary before the Councell of Constance Iohan. Scot. lib. 4. dist 17. artic 3. or their absolute necessity of Auricular Confession before Innocent the third Idem ibid. in his Councell of Lateran or the prohibition of Marriage to the Clergie before the same time I might instance in many other points of Poperie which howsoeuer they may carrie some shew and shadow of Antiquity yet being duly considered they will appeare to be but late inuentions peeced and patched together by their Popes as each of them in their succession was minded to adde something to make vp the full measure of the mysterie of Iniquity Neyther let them boast as of commonly they cracke of the ancient Church of Rome Rhom 〈◊〉 in Act. 1● ● Idem in E●●● 4.13 so famously renowned by the Writings of the Apostles and commended and appealed vnto by the auncient Fathers for the name and shew of the Romane Church See M. Fox his description of the diff●rence of the now Church of Rome and the old Act● and Monum first 26. page● is but an emptie shew of Names and Titles this present Romane being in a manner wholly departed in the Questions controuerted from the auncient and retayneth nothing but the Title The true auncient and Apostolike Church of Rome so much commended by the Fathers and sought to by the World professed another kind of Faith then this doth and the same that we now defend against them That Church affected no such prowd and swelling Titles it vsurped no such transcendent Iurisdictions it obserued no such foolish Superstitions it maintained contrarie Doctrine to their now Errors To what purpose then should any sticke vpon the name of the Romane Church when the true Faith is changed Or what doe the Prerogatiues and Royalties of the auncient Church concerne this that is turned to another Religion Or who regardeth an House of stately Building or anticke memorie of auncient Antiquitie when the Plague hath infected it and Theeues possesse it Leaue therefore yee Romanists to cracke of your Antiquitie or to traduce vs of Noueltie wee may take vp the words of Nicephorus Concil Eph●● sin pag. 307. the Patriarke of Constantinople in an Epistle to Leo Bishop of Rome Wee also haue the Name of Rome the ●di● and auncient Faith of Rome among vs being built vpon one and the same foundation of Faith in matter of Faith we follow them Wherefore let S. Paul glorie and reioice in vs also and ioyning new things with old and comparing vs in Doctrines and Preaching let him glorie in vs both alike for wee as well as they following the Doctrines and Institutions wherein wee are rooted are confirmed in the confession of our Faith wherein wee stand and reioyce c. As for you my poore seduced Countreymen who suffer your selues to be seduced and mis-led by these Popish Circumcellions take heed and beware how you fauour these Merchants of the Romish Strumpet who vnder fained pretences and subtile insinuations goe about to make merchandise of your soules 2. Pet. 2.5 These latter dayes saith the Apostle are perillous times and these Popish Priests and Iesuits I may say are perillous seducers 2. Tim. 3.1 6 7. They of this sort creepe into houses and lead captiue silly women laden with sinnes and led about with diuers Lusts euer learning and neuer able to come to the knowledge of the Truth Listen not vnto them It is not good for Eue to fall to conference with the Serpent Genes 3. no nor for Adam neyther to suffer Eue and the Serpents parley or to encline vnto them least hee also be partaker in the Transgression Consider what is the end they ayme at not Religion but the Soueraigntie of their high-towring Church not the Consciences of men yeelding to their Ceremonies and Superstitions will satisfie them vnlesse they haue their wills in ouer-ruling all and bringing them vnder their Antichristian Yoake How doe they disturbe Thrones and fill the World with Anarchie and Confusions and whose soules they should winne to God by ministring the Word and Sacraments their bloud they sacrifice to the Deuill by stirring them vp to Treason and Rebellion Beloued 1. Ioh. 4.1 beleeue not euery Spirit but trie the Spirits whether they be of God or no. A Foole saith Salomon beleeueth euery thing Prou. And surely it is their folly who suffer themselues to be seduced by giuing too easie credit to the slauering insinuations of these Popish Teachers and are hereby brought into a great dislike of our Church because they beleeue their words and doe not make search and enquirie after the truth of the same Beware least that dreadfull iudgement of God fall vpon you 2. Thess 2 10 11. Because they receiued not the knowledge of the Truth that they might be saued therefore God shall send them strong delusions that they should beleeue lyes You will say That you are no Changelings That yee are of the olde Religion That you keepe the olde Faith and will liue and dye in the same Religion which your fore-fathers professed Poore soules Popish Religion is not the oldest Religion but a late vpstart a Modell of Superstition your Popes Catholike Church is but an Impostume growne in the Church Wee confesse that for a long time the Christian World hath beene annoyed with it yet euen in the time and before the time of this declining from the Truth our Faith and Religion hath euer kept it selfe vnspotted The true cause why during the former ouer-clouding times of Poperie the Exercises
those great Differences betweene the Scotists and Thomists See Darbite his way to the true Church betweene the Dominicans and Franciscans betweene the Priests and Iesuites yea betweene their best and most relied vpon Diuines Yea what point of their Religion is there wherein they and wee doe differ which hath not beene contradicted by one or other of their owne Religion Neither could the purest Churches in the primitiue Times claime freedome in all her members from all difference in opinion as hereafter shall bee manifested Now then if among those whom in the Catalogue aboue mentioned I haue recorded to haue beene of our side there be not found in euery point a joynt opinion and full consent shall they therefore be denyed to haue beene of our Religion By the same reason many of the ancient Fathers should not be of the Communion of Saints or Catholike congregation seeing that they likewise had their differences and they that were most Orthodoxe amended the others errours This therefore can no whit preiudice our Cause though all aboue mentioned did not in all and euery point of our Religion maintaine the same that we doe for thus a learned Diuine of theirs doth acknowledge Luc P●n thess vadem thes 83 That the vnitie of the Church consisteth in this that the members thereof beleeue the same thinges vse the same worship of God and receiue the same Sacraments 2. That they and wee hold the same Religion we proue by the Testimonie of our Aduersaries themselues Campian rat 10. Cochlae hist Huss lib. 1. 2. Campian calleth Iohn Husse and Wichlief the fore-runners of our Faith Cochleus saith that Iohn Husse tooke his Doctrine from the Wichleuists And Aeneas Syluius Aene. Syl. hist Bohem. c. 35. Bellar. in Praef. generall Contr. that the Wichleis did embrace the opinion of the Waldenses And Bellarmine joyneth together as professors of the same Religion the Berengarians Petrobrusians Albigenses Waldenses Wichlinists Hussits Lutherans Zuinglians Caluinists c. 3. We proue them and vs to accord for substance in one and the same Religion by comparing our Doctrine and practise now with that of theirs in former times The which concordance to auoyd prolixitie shall be manifested in these particulars 1. About the Scriptures VVEe make them the rule tryall of our Faith hold the sufficiencie therof vnto saluation Artic. 6. Synod Lond. Homil. 10. So doth the Augustan confession Artic. 1. So Iohn Husse and the Bohemian Protestants Iob. Huss de abomin Sacerd. Monach. pag. 84. So Iohn Wichlief Artic. 6. collected out of his Sermons Martyrol pag. 396. So the Waldenses Artic. 1. vide hist Waldens What Bookes wee esteeme Canonicall and what Apochypha Artic. 6. Synod Lond. The same doe the Augustan confesse Artic. 2. obiects against them in the Trent Counsell the French Artic. Gal. confess 9. So the Belgicks Artic. 41. Belgic Confess So the Waldenses Artic. What wee hold for the translation of them and hauing them in the vulgar Tongue Hom. 9. The same Weselus Groningensis patet ex Noniemag The Lollards sub regno henric 5. Martyrol p. 69. The Waldenses Art 10. Arnulphus ex opere tripart King Alphred Martyrol pag. 1115. The French men aboue 200. yeares since Praefat. in testum Rheon ss 4. Confess Heluet. Art 4. Bohem c. 1. Belgic Art 7. Saxon. Art 1. Suerim Artic. 1. About the Sacraments AS wee hold that they are effectuall Seales and pledges c. Artic. 25. Synod Lond. So Magdeburg Eccl. cent 12. August artic 13. Heluet. artic 29. Iohn Wichleif in Trialog Waldens art 9. As wee deny the Sacraments of themselues to haue power to conferre Grace Synod Lond. artic 26. Homil. 15. So Hierome Schuff coram Archiep. Treuir Rocherano and the Bohemian Ministers Prucer 5. Waldenses Artic. 14. As wee acknowledge but two Sacraments Baptisme the Supper of the Lord. Catecluf Angl. Art 25. So Confess Heluet. artic 20. Basil artic 5. Belg. art 33. Saxon. artic 12. So Weselus Groningens Iohan. Monterger Anton. Nancinel vt supra Waldenses artic 11. About Baptisme AS wee deny Baptisme of it selfe to wash away all Sinne or to conferre Grace ex opere operato Artic 27. So Confess Heluet. artic 21. Augustan artic 9. Bohem 12. Wittemb c. 10. About the Supper of the Lord. AS wee deny the reall presence of CHRISTS very Bodie and Blood in that Sacrament Synod L●nd artic 28. So Confess Heluet. art 22. Bohem 13. Picus Mirandula Iohn Husse Wichleif the Waldenses Aelfricus and in a māner all in our Catalogue before recorded As we contest against the Masse Homil. 15. So Confess Heluet. artic 11. Bohem. c. 6. Augustan artic 34. So Gerrhardus Dulcinus Arnulphus vt supra So the Waldenses artic 4. As wee maintaine the receiuing of the Communion in both kindes Synod Lond. artic 30. So Confess Heluet. artic 22. Saxon. act 15. Iohn Huss Calestini sub vcraque in Bohem. Waldenses Artic. 11. About the Church AS wee hold the due administration of the Word and Sacraments to bee the true markes of the visible Church Synod Lond. artic 19. So Confess Heluet act 14. Bohem. c. 8. Sueu 32. As wee deny the Church of Rome to bee the Catholicke Church Homil. 1. So C●nfess August artic 4. Arnolph in concil Rhem. W●●hleif Sigebert c. As wee deny the Churches authority to be greater th●n the Scriptures Synod Lond. artic 20. so C●nfess Heluet. artic 4. Basil artic 10. Bohem. c. 1. Preachers in Sutden Abbas vspag Gulielm de Sanct. Amore c. About the Pope AS wee denie the Popes Supremacie Oath of alleagean●e so Confess Heluet. artic 18. Bohem. c. 8. Augustan artic 7. so Hierome Sauan●rola Thom●s Rhedonensis Wichleif Gulielmus O●ham c. As we hold the Pope to be Antichrist King Iames Expos of the Reuel So the Councell in Fran●e vnder Hugh Capet So Antoninus Marcidellis Mathias Parisiensis Marsilius Patauinus Rochetailada and in a manner all in the Catalogue before mentioned Of Justification AS wee hold that we are justified by Faith and not by Workes Synod Lond. artic 11. So C●nfess Heluet. 2. c. 16. Augustan artic 6. Bohem. c. 7. Weselus Groning Picus Mirandula Bernard A●nulphus c. vt supra About Priests Marriage AS wee hold it lawfull by the word of God for Bishops c. to Marrie Artic. 32. So Confess Heluet. artic 37. Bohem. c. 9. Wittemb c. 21. VValdenses artic 9. About Purgatorie AS wee reiect the opinion of Poperie as fond and ridiculous Synod Lond. artic 22. So Confess Helu c. 26. August artic 11. so the Waldenses artic 3. so Iohn Husse Wichleif and the most part of the aboue named c. About the Ciuill Magistrate AS wee hold that Kings and Princes haue the chiefest power in their Kingdomes both in causes Ciuill and Ecclesiasticall Synod Lond. art 37. so Confess Heluet. artic 26. Bohem. c. 16. Augustan artic 16. so Henry the 5. Emperour Frederich Barbarosia Taulerus Plesiano Ludo and the most of the rest aboue
were the Prophets so likewise the Apostles at more times and in more places then one charged with many accusations which yet in truth were but meere calumniations Plinius so the Iewes when the visible Church of God was onely among them were slandered as worshippers of Hogs Cornel. Taci● and Asses and contemners of all Religion So the olde Christians in the Primitiue Church were slandered to vse incestuous companie each with other like O●dipus and to eate mans flesh at the banquet of Thyestes Eus●● 〈◊〉 hist lib. 4. c. ● Socrat. lib. 1. ● ● Euseb lib. 9. c. 6. Soram l. 5. c. 25 Idem lib. 8. c. 28 So Athanasius Narcissus Cyrill Chrysostome and which else of the ancientest worthies of the Church haue been free from slanders and sinister imputations No maruell then if these who in their seuerall times did seperate themselues from the common corruptions of the Times and withstood the errours of those lines doe taste of the malignant aspersion in those times Secondly wee are not so much to regard what the Court of Rome and their Councels haue thought and pronounced against these our Ancients for they were parties partially affected against these their opposits and it is no rare thing with that Synagogue to damne those to the pit of hell who any wayes crosse their proceedings Neither doe wee beleeue that all they are or were Hereticks whom the Papists call heretickes for whatsoeuer doth withstand their Hierarchie they account heresie But our Apologie in that behalfe is that of the Apostle St. Paul Act. 24.14 After the way which they call heresie so worship wee the God of our Fathers Rob. Gros●●●d B. of Lincoln vt citatur in ●●che● of tr●●g And if that description of Heresie may goe for currant which was deliuered by a Reuerend and learned Prelate in this Land almost foure hundred yeares agone That Heresie Haeresis Gr●●e electio Latine est sententia 〈◊〉 m●●● sensu ●●●cta script●● sacra contr●● pa'am d●c●● pe●tinacitur defensu is an opinion hatch'd in mans owne braine contrary to holy Scripture openly maintained and stifly defended then can they by no meanes brand either vs or these our predecessors with the name of Hereticks who neither hold any opinions grounded vpon our owne fancies neither openly maintained or stoutly stand to any errours whereof they iustly can conuict vs but that wee and they are truely orthodoxe and right Catholikes who teach and maintaine nothing but that whereof we haue euident warrant out of the Word of God Thirdly what is that which they can obiect against any of those who are mentioned in our former Catalogue Is it concerning our Faith or Life or both Let vs looke to the Triall of the particulars and I doubt not but all their suggestions will proue lyes and meere slanders as may appeare if we doe take a view of the particulars And here 1. Wee will begin at Luther because their spight is most against him as being a principall opposite of theirs and vpon whom they would father the beginning of our cause And let vs heare what they can say against Luther Popish Discourse of Faith ss 57. Martin Luther say they was an Apostate Frier a man knowne by his Writings words deeds and death to haue beene a notorious euill liuer That Luther was somtimes a Frier wee grant and that afterwards through the mercy of God hee obtaining a more cleare knowledge of the Truth renounced their profession we doe not deny But what Apostasie was this in him or how can it more disparage him then it did the Apostle Paul Act. 22.3 23.6 9.1 2 3 6 18 ●9 D. Whi●e his way to the true Church who at the first was a Pharisie and after that being better illightned by God renounced the profession Pharisaicall and became an Apostle both those former professions being meere hypocrisie saue that this of the Frier is of the deeper tincture Stapleton disc p. 159. And what haue they to say against his Writings Forsooth they were vnsauourie rash petulant vnsound and altogether heriticall Soone said but not so soone proued for it doth so appeare by their confutation of the same let them make that appeare and then wee will credit them In the meane space howsoeuer wee stand not in defence of all either matter or manner of his writings neither indeed doe wee build vpon him we will rather giue credit to some lesse partiall but more iuditious euen among the Papists themselues who giue other manner of testimonie concerning Luthers writings Q. Erasm ad Card●n Mog●at for thus Erasmus speaketh of them It is obserued for a truth that these men meaning tho Papists condemne many things in Luthers bookes which in Augustine and Bernard are read for godly and good diuinitie And he addeth That hee seeth this the best men are least offended at his writings Hos●and Hist Eccles cent 16. p. 83● So Andreas Masius in the company of diuers obserued and acknowledged that there was more diuinitie mo●● page of Luther then sometimes in a whole booke of s●●ne Father And what can they obiect against his life did he forsake his Monasterie and giue himselfe to the Deuill following him and doing homage vnto him that all things might prosper according to his minde as did Siluester the second Platinan Sil●est 2. did hee robbe Churches and murther his Predecessors as did Pope Boniface the seauenth Baron au● 〈◊〉 n. 1. O●● 〈◊〉 lib. 3. did he commit incest with his owne Daughter as did Pope Alexander the sixth did he cast the Sacrament into the fire as did Pope Hildebrand did he keepe a be●ie of whores Bruno Cardinalis I●●ipraud lib. 6. c. 6. 7. turne the Church into a Stewes drinke healths to the deuill reuell vp and downe the streetes in armour and set mens houses on fire as Pope Iohn the 12. did No surely Not any shew in Luthers life of any of these or such like offences yea Er●smus one who was familiar with him in a certaine Epistle to Cardinall Wolfie giueth testimonie of him Erasm Epist ad Cardinal E●●rac that his life was approued with great consent of all men And this saith he is no small honour to him that the integritie of his manners is so great that his very enemies can finde nothing which they may Calumniate Pontac Campian Onu●b in Ioh. 8 What deedes then hath he done for which they should finde such fault with his life Forsooth he married a Nunne hee lay with Bora hee lay with her But first he married her hee had not his Marozias Reyneras Theodoraes Stephanaes to be his bedfellowes without any care or veile of marriage Baron in ann 928. 912. But hee was a Frier shee a Nunne both which had vowed not to marrie But who tied them to those vowes or what vow of man can disanull the lawfulnesse of Gods owne ordinance Whether is it not better to marrie