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A85382 The apologist condemned: or, A vindication of the Thirty queries (together with their author) concerning the power of the civil magistrate in matters of religion. By way of answer to a scurrilous pamphlet, published (as it seems) by some poposalist, under the mock-title of An apologie for Mr John Goodwin. Together with a brief touch upon another pamphlet, intituled, Mr J. Goodwin's queries questioned. By the author of the said Thirty queries. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1653 (1653) Wing G1148; Thomason E691_16; ESTC R202305 21,381 34

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be defective and insufficient and such whose defects were supplyed by additional Laws made by the Jews themselves upon consultation had with the Light and Law of Nature yet God himself both his God and my God judgeth otherwise of them otherwise he would not have so expresly and severely prohibited a super-addition of other Laws unto them Therefore 4. In case all that be true which the Apologist cites from Mr Selden and his Rabbies touching the Jews making Laws against Idolatry and false Worship by the Light of Nature yet their practise herein being evidently unwarrantable and condemned by God himself he doth rather prevaricate with his Cause then any ways promote it by insisting on it or so much as mentioning it 5. And lastly Concerning the Laws delivered unto the Jews against Idolatry and false Worship by God himself I have heretofore demonstratively proved that they are or were so appropriate to this Nation that they were not intended by God as obligatory upon the Gentiles the tenor and import of them being proportionable and fitted unto such a people or Nation only who had such extraordinary miraculous and supernatural Appearances of the true God ever and anon vouchsafed unto them as the Jews had See and consider to this purpose Deut. 4. 15 16 17 c. And if these or any the like Laws should have been put in vigorous execution in the Gentile part of the world that universal over-spreading of Idolatry considered which covered in a manner the face of the whole Earth they would have drawn more blood then the world could have spared without fainting and sinking right down Yea if such Laws as he speaks of had been only executed among the Jews themselves who are known to have been formerly as much addicted to strange i.e. false Gods and false Worships as other Nations of their multitudes like unto the sand of the Sea they would have left them a small remnant only The Discourse in which I make the proof mentioned together with the Pages where the said Proof is managed I direct the Reader unto in the close of my fifth Query And thus I have dispatched with my Apologist Only for a close desiring the Reader to take knowledg that He hath taken little or no knowledg in his Apology of those scruples suggested in the Queries about the competency or meetness of such persons whom the Magistrate according to the advice of the Proposals must set over the great business of repelling from and authorizing unto the preaching of the Gospel It is like herein he hath followed the wholesom advice of the Poet Et quae Desperes tractata nitescere posse relinquas i. e. What thou despair'st to manage plausibly Take my advice pass by it silently An Answer to the Pamphlet Entituled Mr J. Goodwin's Queries Questioned COncerning the Author of the Pamphlet stiled Mr John Goodwin's Queries Questioned together with this his Discourse I shall not need to say much since he hath befriended me with the gentle opposition of one Query only to my Thirty and this so well conditioned that it may be easily resolved without the least detriment or damage to the Cause pleaded in my Queries For is not his one Query this Whether the fourth Commandment doth not sufficiently justifie and enjoyn the Power of the Civil Magistrate in matters of Religion I must confess that this Commandment doth in one sence sufficiently justifie and enjoyn the Power of the Civil Magistrate in matters of Religion but in this sence the first and the second or any other of the nine doth both justifie and enjoyn the same altogether as sufficiently as this For that which is neither justifiable nor meet to be enjoyned may be said to be sufficiently justified and enjoyned when there is nothing at all said or done either for the one or the other An innocent person is sufficiently punished when he is not punished at all and the Gentleman the Author of the Query in hand is sufficiently commended for the same when he is not commended at all I presume the treasure of the duty or power of the Civil Magistrate as such was never judged by any sober man to be hid in the field of the fourth Commandment nor in any part of the first Table nor did ever any labourer in Gods vineyard dig here to find it It is the sence of all judicious men as far as my reading extendeth that the first of the two Tables doth not prescribe or intermeddle with the duties of one man to another nor yet the duties appertaining either to any natural or politique Office or Relation but only enjoyns such duties wherein the Worship of God consisteth and which equally relate to all persons whatsoever Of this mind is Calvin f Peter Martyr g Musculus h Rivet i and many others Besides the tenor of the words in this Commandment running after the same manner and carried on by the same pronoun or term of address thou thou as well in the subsequent part of the Command as in the two first clauses it is extreamly incongruous to say or think as my Anti-Querist doth that in the two first clauses the personal observation of the Command is commanded to all in general and to men as men and that in the rest the observation of it should be commanded unto Parents as such and unto Magistrates as such For according to this notion the first and second Thou must signifie Thou man and again Thou man The third Thou Thou Parent and Thou Master too the fourth and last Thou Thou Magistrate If my Anti-Querist can shew any other period or sentence throughout all the Scripture of like interpretation with this and wherein the same pronoun and term of address must import and signifie such variety of capacities relations and formal considerations it is probable I shall consider further of his notion about the fourth Commandment then yet I think it worth the while to do although a parallel in this case would be no sufficient demonstration of the truth or soundness of the conceit 2. If the Master of the Family whether Father or Master or Magistrate be impowered and enjoyned by this Commandment the former to compel and by punishment force his children or servants to the outward Worship of God the latter to do the like unto strangers by mulcts fines imprisonments c. then are they equally impowered and enjoyned to exercise the same compulsive authority upon their Cattel also their OX Ass and Horse and commanded to force these also unto the outward means of Gods Worship For the tenor of the Commission or Injunction so fancied by the Anti-querist imposed by this Commandment upon Magistrates and Masters of families respecteth as well and as much the one as the other In it thou shalt not do any work thou nor thy son nor thy daughter thy man-servant nor thy maid-servant nor thy CATTEL nor the stranger within thy gates c. Here is not the least difference