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A71317	Three speeches of the Right Honorable, Sir Francis Bacon Knight, then his Majesties Sollicitor Generall, after Lord Verulam, Viscount Saint Alban. Concerning the post-nati naturalization of the Scotch in England union of the lawes of the kingdomes of England and Scotland. Published by the authors copy, and licensed by authority.	Bacon, Francis, 1561-1626.	1641 (1641)	Wing B337; ESTC R17387	32,700	73

THREE SPEECHES OF The Right Honorable Sir Francis Bacon Knight then his Majesties Sollicitor Generall after LORD VERULAM Viscount Saint Alban Concerning the POST-NATI Naturalization of the Scotch in England Vnion of the Lawes of the Kingdomes of England and Scotland Published by the Authors Copy and Licensed by Authority LONDON Printed by Richard Badger for Samuel Broun and are to be sold at his shop in St. Pauls Church-yard at the signe of the white Lyon and Ball 1641. 15. May 1641. At a Committee appointed by the Honourable House of Commons in Parliament for examination of books of the licensing and suppresing of them It is ordered that these three speeches or treatises be published in print Edward Dering The Argument of S r. Francis Bacon Knight His Majesties Sollicitor generall in the Case of the POST-NATI of Scotland in the Exchequer Chamber before the Lord Chancellor and all the Iudges of England May it please Your Lord-ships THis Case Your Lord-ships doe well perceive to be of exceeding ' great consequence For whether you doe measure that by place that reacheth not onely to the Realme of England but to the whole Iland of Great-Brytaine or whether you measure that by time that extendeth not onely to the present time but much more to future generations Et natinatorum et qui nascentur ab illis And therefore as that is to receive at the barre a full and free debate so I doubt not but that shall receive from your Lord-ships a sound and iust resolution according to law and according to truth For my Lords though he were thought to have said well that said that for his word Rex fortissimus Yet he was thought to have said better evenin the opinion ofa King him selfe that said Veritas fortissima et pravalet And I doe much rejoyce to observe such a Concurrence in the whole carriage of this cause to this end that truth may prevaile The case no fained or framed case but a true case betweene true partyes The title handled formerly in some of the Kings Courts and Free-hold upon it used indeed by his Majesty in his high wisedome to give an end to this great question but not raysed occasio as the Schoole-men say arrepta non porrecta The case argued in the Kings Bench by M. Walter with great liberty and yet with good approbation of the Court The persons assigned to be of Counsell on that side inferiour to none of their quality and degree in learning and some of them most conversant and exercised in the question The Iudges in the Kings Bench have adjourned it to this place for conference with the rest of their brethren Your Lord-ship my Lord Chancellor though you be absolute Iudg in the Court where you sit and might have called to you such assistance of Iudges as to you had seemed good yet would not fore-run or leade in this case by any opinion there to be given but have chosen rather to come your selfe to this assembly all tending as I sayd to this end whereunto I for my part doe heartily subscribe ut vincat veritas that truth may first appeare and then prevaile And I doe firmely hold and doubt not but I shall well maintaine that this is the truth That Calvin the plaintiefe is Ipso Iure by the law of England a naturall borne subject to purchase Free-hold and to bring reall actions within Eugland In this case I must so consider the time as I must much more consider the matter And therefore though it may draw my speach into further length yet I dare not handle a case of this nature confusedly but purpose to observe the ancient and exact forme of pleadings which is First to explaine or induce Then to confute or answere objections And lastly to prove or confirme And first for explanation The outward question in this case is no more but whether a child borne in Scotland since his Majesties happy comming to the Crowne of England be naturalized in England or no But the inward question or State of the question evermore beginneth where that which is confessed on both sides doth leave It is confest that if these two Realmes of England and Scotland were united under one Law and one Parliament and thereby incorporated and made as one Kingdome that the Post-natus of such an union should be naturalized It is confessed that both Realmes are united in the person of our Soveraigne or because I will gaine nothing by surreption in the putting of the question that one the same naturall person is King of both Realmes It is confessed that the Lawes and Parliaments are severall So then whether this priviledge and benefit of Naturalization be an accessory or dependancy up on that which is one and joint or upon that which is severall hath beene and must be the depth of this question And therefore your Lord-ships doe see the State of this question doth evidently lead me by way of inducement to speake of three things The King the Law and the priviledge of Naturalization For if you well understand the nature of the two Principals and againe the nature of the Accessory Then shall you discerne to whether Principal the Accessory doth properly referre as a shadow to a body or Iron to an Adamant And there your Lord-ships will give me leave in a case of this quality first to visit and open the foundations and fountaines of Reason and not to begin with the positions and eruditions of a Municipall Law for so was that done in the great Case of Mines and so ought that to be done in all cases of like nature And this doth not at all detract from the sufficiency of our lawes as incompetent to decide their owne cases but rather addeth a dignity unto them when their reason appearing as well as their authority doth shew them to be as fine moneyes which are currant not onely by the stampe because they are so received but by the naturall metall that is the reason and wisedome of them And Master Littleton himselfe in his whole booke doth commend but two things to the professors of the law by the name of his sonnes the one the inquiring and searching out the reasons of the law and the other the observing of the formes of pleadings And never was there any case that came in Iudgement that required more that Littletons advice should be followed in those two points then doth the present case in question And first of the King It is evident that all other common-wealths Monarchies onely excepted doe snbsist by a law preceedent For where authority is divided amongst many officers and they not perpetuall but annuall or temporary and not to receive their authority but by election and certaine persons to have voice onely to that election and the like These are busie and curious frames which of necessity doe presuppose a law precedent written or unwritten to guide and direct them But in Monarchies especially hereditary that is when

the Minor proposition is false that is that the Lawes of England are not superinduced upon any Countrey by Conquest but that the old Lawes remaine untill the King by his Proclamation or Letters pattents declare other Lawes and then if he will hee may declare Lawes which be utterly repugnant and differing from the Lawes of England And hereof many antient Presidents and Records may be shewed that the Reason why Ireland is subject to the Lawes of England is not ipso jure upon conquest but grew by aCharter of K. John and that extended but to so much as was then in the Kings possession For there areRecords in the time of King S. 1 and 2 of divers particular Grants to sundry Subjects of Ireland and their Heires that they might use and observe the Lawes of England The third Reason is that there is a politique necessity of intermixture of people in case of subjection by Conquest to remove alienations of mind to securo the Stato which holdeth not in case of descent Here I perceive Mr. 〈◊〉 hath read somewhat in matter of State and so have I likewise though we may both quickly lose ourselves in cause of this Nature I find by the best opinions that there bee two meanes to assure and retaine in obedience Countreyes conquered both very differing almost in extreames the one towards the other The one is by Colonies and intermixture of people and transplantation of families which Mr. Walter spoke off and it was indeed the Romane manner but this is like an old relique much reverenced and almost never used But th'other which is the modern manner and almost wholly in practice use is by Garrisons and Citadelles and Lists or Companies of men of Warre and other like matters of terrour and bridle To the first of these which is little used it it true that naturalization doth conduce but to the latter it is utterly opposite as putting too great pride and meanes to do hurt in those that are meant to be kept short and low And yet in the very first case of the Romane proceeding Naturalization did never follow by Conquest during all the growth of the Romane Empire but was ever conferred by Charters or Donations sometimes to Cities and Townes sometimes to particular persons sometimes to Nations untill the time of Adrian the Emperour and the Law in Orbe Romano and that Law or constitution is not referred to title of Conquest and Armes onely but to all other titles as by the Donation and Testament of Kings by submission and dedition of States or the like So as this difference was as strange to them as to us And certainly I suppose it will sound strangely in the hearing of forreigne Nations that the law of England should ipso sacto naturalize subjects of Conquest and should not naturalize Subjects which grow unto the King by descent that is that it should conferre the benefit and priviledge of naturalization upon such as cannot at the first but beare hatred and rancor to the state of England and have had their hands in the bloud of the Subjects of England and should deny the like benefit to those that are conjoyned with them by a more amiable meane And that the law of England should conferre naturalization upon slaves and vassals for people conquered are no better in the beginning and should deny it to Free-men I say it will be marvelled at abroad of what complexion the lawes of England bee made that breedeth such differences But there is little danger of such scandals for this is a difference that the law of England never knew The fourth reason of this difference is that in case of Conquest the territory united can never be separated againe But in case of descent there is a possibility if his Majesties line should faile the Kingdomes may severe againe to their respective heires as in the case of 8. H. 6. where it is said that if Land descend to a man from the Ancestor on the part of his Father and a rent issuing out of it from an Ancestor on the part of the mother if the party dye without issue the Rent is revived As to this Reason I know well the continuance of the Kings line is no lesse deare to those that alleadge the reason then to us that confute it So as I doe not blame the passing of the reason but it is answered with no great difficulty for first the law doth never respect remote and forrein possibilities as noteably appeared in the great case betweene Sir Hugh Cholmley and Houlford in the Exchequer where one in the remainder to the end to bridle tenant in tayle from suffering a common recovery granted his remainder to the King and because he would be sure to have it out again without charge or trouble when his turne was served he limitted it to the King during the life of tenant in tayle Question grew whether this grant of remainder were good yea or no And it was said to be frivolous and void because it could never by any possibility execute for tenant in tayle cannot surrender and if he dyed the remainder likewise ceased To which it was answered that there was a possibility that it might execute which was thus Put case that tenant in tayle should enter into Religion having no issue then the remainder should execute and the King should hold the land during the naturall life of tenant in tayle notwithstanding his civill death But the Court una vate exploded this reason and said that Monasteries were downe and entries into Religion gone and they must be up againe ere this could be and that the Law did not respect such remote and forreine possibilities so we may hold this for the like For I think we all hope that neither of those days shall ever come either for Monasteries to be restored or for the K. line to faile but the true answer is that the possibility subsequēt remote or not remote doth not alter the operatiō of law for the present For that should be as if in case of the Rent which you put you should say that in regard that the rent maybe severed it should be said to be in esse in the meane time and should be grantable which is cleerely otherwise And so in the principall cafe if that should be which God of his goodnesse forbid cessante causa cessat effectus the benefit of naturalization for the time to come is dissolved But that altereth not the operation of the Law Rebus sic stantibus And therefore I conclude that this difference is but a devise full of weaknesse and ignorance and that there is one and the same reason of naturalizing subjects by descent and subjects by conquest and that is the union in the person of the King and therefore that the 〈◊〉 of Scotland is as cleere as that of Ireland and they that grant the one cannot deny the other And so I conclude the second part touching confutation To