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A19856
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The replie of Iohn Darrell, to the answer of Iohn Deacon, and Iohn Walker, concerning the doctrine of the possession and dispossession of demoniakes
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Darrel, John, b. ca. 1562.
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STC 6284; ESTC S109294
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touch_v yourselves_o who_o accord_n with_o m._n harsnet_n herein_o what_o say_v you_o to_o these_o word_n of_o your_o own_o the_o 310._o dialog_n pag._n 209._o &_o 310._o devil_n may_v work_v wonder_n as_o simon_n magus_n have_v do_v but_o he_o can_v effect_v no_o miracle_n and_o in_o another_o place_n a_o thing_n effect_v by_o essential_a mean_n howsoever_o it_o may_v be_v a_o wonder_n yet_o no_o miracle_n in_o any_o respect_n how_o can_v you_o possible_o free_v yourselves_o here_o from_o a_o contradiction_n and_o this_o be_v my_o reply_n to_o your_o first_o instance_n again_o say_v you_o m._n harsnet_n accuse_v very_o orderly_o by_o summer_n testimony_n my_o own_o answer_n and_o several_a deposition_n this_o his_o material_a proceed_n be_v pretermit_v with_o silence_n what_o have_v i_o