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A19224 Discoverye of a counterfecte conference helde at a counterfecte place, by counterfecte travellers, for thadvancement of a counteerfecte tytle, and invented, printed, and published by one (person) that dare not avovve his name Constable, Henry, 1562-1613. 1600 (1600) STC 5638.5; ESTC S111899 27,719 97

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hovvrely remouable from his ovvne opinion nor may examine the matter priuatli before or after he come to conferr therof or els their admission is not sufficient by this rule of theirs More ouer thes tvvo lavvyers and all those trauailinge conferers in this supposed assembly at Amsterdame are by this rules condemned beinge all priuat persones for entermedlige thē selfes vvith this matter of successiō touchinge the title of a kinge Fourthly the state of monarchie vvhiehe thies tvvo lavvyers do confesse acknovvledge to be of al other formes of gouernement most excelēt perfect in it selfe must needs be most contemptible vnperfect infamous of all other because the Ciuilian so esteemeth the tenure of a Crovvne to be most irreguler most extraordinarie for the Ciuilians opinion is the sentence of all thies conferrers to be irreagler and extraordinarye is to be vnder no rule nor order vvher vpon consequētly the kinge holdeth his Crovvne by no rule nor order is of hiselse irregular not subiect to rule or order And if the comō vvealth be theonely Iudge ouer the kinge to cōptrol him as thies men teache vs none is by theire Doctrine appointed nor allovved to comptroll the common vvealths sentēce thē it must needs folovv that the common vvealth in this case is also vnder no vvill nor order no meruail for a multitude vvithout a head or of manie heads none good vvhat is it but a chaos confused masse ovvt of al order Thus vve are taught that the vnrulie must rule the vnruly if an irregular disordered multitude must gouerne the most irregular exrraordinarie Crovvne as theis men terme it Nay by this doctrine an vsurper disseizer intruder impious tyrant or infidel once admitted by the cōmon vvealth must not be deposed Again a possession onely must guide the right as the most materiall point to lead thin heritance succession of a Crovvne tvvo assertiōsneuer allovved for good plees in any lavv spiritual or temporal Diuin or humain most vvorthie of ovvt claps vvith hisses vvhistles yet they must both be allovved maīteined vnder this generall maxime of admission And so all enormities must be streight rules vvronges must be rights violence must be lavv bad must be good good must be bad if thies be allovved admitted by a multitude dravven to gether any vvaye to represēt beare the name of a republick or comon stat vvhiche for cleanelye conueyhance of a fovvl thinge in a fayre hand kerchife thies men doe call a common vvealth a speciall fallacie to abuse the simple besides euerie lavvfull king is deposible for or vvithout cause if the common vvealth dislike him euery quarel is a sufficiēt cause to depose a kinge if the cōmon wealth so esteme it euery kinge shal be accompted a tyrant an hereticque an infidel or incapable othervvays vnfit consequētly deposible because the publick state here called a cōmon vvealth holdeth him so to be is theonlye Iudge of all causes in this case of a kings state of all cōmisions that must procede from a kinge for no other Iudge is appointed in thies mens text A plaine contradiction to their ovvn Doctrin an error that thies lavvers vvill not stand to if they be pressed to ansvvere by authoritie authentique More ouer it must folovv vpon thies mens Doctrin that euerye multitude so incorporated as they got the style tytle of a publick state in their ovvn consceit by pretence may rightly be called a common vvealth habled by lavv to inioye all the preuileges before mentioned though they vvant a head yea thovvgh no vvelth nor commoditie commō or priuat be by them maintened And that euery publick stat or suche common vvealth as they haue allovved may at their pleasure alter chaunge innouat the caur se of inheritance succession to the Crovvn so as they may barre the right true title all redye cast vpon any persone by the lavves of the same state though the same persone be no member of the same state nor subiect ther vnto by nature submissiō or other lavvful meanes Consequently that the kīge of spaine is bovvnde to setle his consciēce not impugne the ordinance of the novv English common vvealth hovv iust so euer his title be for the present or future tyme nor to examine any others title allovved admitted by the same common vvealth if that negatiue pregnant foisted in to the margent touching priuat men can not be hable to cōptroll the text vvhich bindeth euery man vvithout exception or difference of priuat or publick And last of all it is sett dovvn in plaine termes that euery kinge holdeth his Crovvne by the good vvill of his common vvealth as by the onely lavvfull good tenur of a Crovvne A playne contradiction to the state of inheritance and an absurditie vvorthie to haue all manner of scorne moquerye neuer auuoched for any plea neuer mentioned in any booke rol or record or vvritting of vvise mā nor admited in to the thought or imagination of any lavve maker lavvyer or other mēindued vvith common sence in Englande and an hiperbolical fictio against the state of Regall Ma. yet vve must beleaue it because the Ciuilian saith so vvho by al thies trauailinge opinions must be allvvayes allovved Thus vve see that by the Ciuiliās lavve his Ma. tenur vvherby he boldeth his Crovvne must be irregular extraordinarie though he be admitted by his comon vvealthe once setled in his state therfore not remouable yet that vvill not serue if he holdeth his Crovvne as tenant at vvil of the cōmon vvealth vvho may reuoke their admissions vvhē thei vst to finde suche cause as they thinke sufficient consequently he hath no state of inheritāce nor succession vvhat vvould the king Catholicke say to this thīke yovv if he vvere vvel informed of this particular Nay vvhat they of holande and zelande vvil presume here on to thīke say for hardeninge theire harts mainteyninge theire actual rebellions euery man seeth his Ma. can not be ignorāt Therfor it is not like that he vvas priuie to the contents of this book so farre as to allovv of it here his Ma. may behold the blinde presūptiō of thies statists vvho dare thus confront his Ma. in the chiefest point of his Maiestical state vvith such indignities by abusinge all regall dignitie so lovv as to make it the vassal of eueri arrogant rovvt of any vnlavvfull assembled multitude that can by hook or crroke vvile or guyle flaterye or violence catche snatche the visard of a common vvealth for more credit to their excessiue speache also vse his Ma. as a bolster to leane vpō vnder cloak of a licēce to roue freely through his Ma. Dominions vvhere it ruleth and comaundeth Yea these bold aduenturers do raūge so farre farther as by colour of his Ma. authoritie they dare attempt to stoppe the mouths and pennes of all
A DISCOVERYE OF A COVNTERFECTE CONFERENCE HELde at a counterfecte place by counterfecte travellers for thadvancement of a counterfecte tytle and invented printed and published by one PERSON that dare not avovve his name Printed at Collen 1600. TO THE AVCTOR OF the counterfaicte conferēce c. ITvvere as easy for meyf Ivvould to discouer your name vvith assured proofes as to detect the deuises and dristes of your conterfeat conference made at Amsterdam but since as it seameth youe are ashamed to iustifye the same vvith your name I am not he that vvill publishe it because it might be thought by somme that are redye to enterpret thinges to the vvorst that hatred might induce me therunto that vvhich I desire chefely to be effected by this discourse next to the inconuenience that might generally haue grovven by your fraude and desceit vndesciphred is that you vvould looke vpon your ignorance or malice or perhaps bothe vvhich is manifest by seakinge to maKe diuision betvvene Christian Princes that are in charitye and frendship one vvith an other by defacing the Monarchical state vvhich so longe tyme hath ben vsed and approued and by disposinge of the Croune of Englande not vveighinge vvheare the right lieth but vvhear your fācye best liketh if in this later poit your vvould excuse your selfe by sayng you determine no mans title the course of your vvhole booKe and diuerses practises de facto shevue the contrarye These thinges be not os small vveight or importance for that they concerne kinges and kingdomes and require the practise vvisedome and experiēce of other maner of heddes then yours is yea and that in nombre to the assēbly of a Court Parlement Tharfore your maye see vvhat cause of discontentement you geue to all vvise and indifftrent men and vvhat disgrace you haue braught to your selfe and bretherne for thar if any happē to be kinge of England besides those tvuo youe vvould seme most to aduance it is likelye according to the rules of policye and state that your selfe vvilbe in question for meddlinge in these matters abo uè your reache and capacitye and your bretherne vvilbe blamed and banished out of the Country for approuinge or at the least for not chastisinge your levvde and yvell demenor methinketh the preuenting of these incomodities should ma ke youe cōsider of somme remedyes and the remorse of your conscience shoulde breede repentaunce vvhich cominge from the botome of youe harte vvill force youe in as ample and publicke maner to disclame and disauovve your sayd conference as euer passion and partialitye did inuite you to set forthe the same This is the best and casiest vvaye to satisfie the Princes discontented the people scandalized and your selfe endaungered and this is that I suppose your vvisest friendes vvill aduise you vnto for my particular I do praye for you and vvishe no vvaye reuenge to your person but re formation in your maners as God I call vvitnes vvho direct youe to that A DISCOVERYE OF A COVNTERFECTE CONference helde at a countersecte place by counterfecte travellers for th aduancemēt of a counterfecte tytle and invented printed and published by one PERSON that dare not avovve his name IT is obserued and hath bene noted lōge in the vvorlde that no Vanitye is so light vvhiehe beareth not somme credite no fable so phantastical but some vvill beleeue it nothinge so disorderly attempted vvhiche hath not fovvnd a supporter Euen so it falleth ovvt touchinge a certē vaine diet appointed somme yearespast to abuse the vvorld vnder the title of a conference aboute the next succession to the Crovvne of Englande beinge in deede a confused bablinge of Idle troublesome trauailers vvithout interest to deale in suche matter and a verie confederacie of a practize against the blood Royall state and dignitye of that nation Therfore vvantinge the true and certaine of place persone author and other due circomstances it may vvell be called an infamous fablinge chartel or Libel feigned to be conceiued in Holland knovven to be fostered in spayne falselie fathered of R. Dolman printed at N. to vvit no certain place Iustifiable vvith licence of it may not be knovvē vvho Neuerthelesse all must be so commended at the first sight for pleasure vtilitye the author so extolled for sharpnesse of vvitte plentye of muche readinge cunninge in conueyhance abondance of eloquēce and other graces as none can finde any vvant or default Nay to amplify the estimation as vvel of the author as of the libel it is prouided that vvhosoeuer by vvorde deede or contenance seemeth to dislike the one or the other all suche persones must be reputed by a common fame there vpon condemned as enemyes to the priuat designes of the kinge Catholique and aduersaryes to the common cause Albeit it is very likely that the late kinge of spayne nor this kinge liuinge vvere euer priuye to the contents of that Libel nor expressely consented to the publishinge therof as vvill appeare heareafter Therfore it is but a ridiculouse sentence so rashelye to censure men and very partial suche also as aduāceth the credit neyther of kinge nor cause For vvhen a man pretendethe a clayme neuer heard of in any age to an other mans lande vvhose quiet possession actually right also apparently in all vvyse mens eyes haue concurred cōtinued manye hundreds of yeares in him those vvhose state title he hath inioyeth no indifferent vvise man vvill allovve that the sodainlye supposed pretendor may haue any reason by a bare clayme to think that he should beare all avvay vvithout contradictiō especiallye vvhen the clayme excedeth measure is misliked generally and bringeth vvith it suspicion of euill dealinge other vvayes as made by trauailinge strangers vvithout the supposed pretendors vvarrant and priuitie In respect vvherof for vvant of vpright behauiour the same crime may be imputed more Iustly to the Libellor his libell as preiudiciall to the same kinge and cause For as there are manye indifferent persones in diuers nations all a like affected to the matter of suc cession not caringe vvhat vvaye it runne are not tied to the kinge in any speciall obligation nor alienated from his Ma. nor frō the sayd cause vvho are persuaded that a redier course might haue been taken vnder a better pretense for aduauncement of bothe Euen so there are manye others of the same opimon vvho if comparisōs may be allovved are accōpted to haue as muche interest as the libeller his trauailinge consorts haue in the matter of successio haue better vvarrant of Lavv in defence of Lavve to reproue that conference then those conferrers haue vvithout Lavve against lavve to iustifye or commende it yea haue bene fouvnde hetherto as redie hopinge God vvillinge so to continue as the practizers in that conference to aduaunce the common cause euerye lavvfull vvaye and the sayd kinges honorable designes also and to doe to his Ma. seruices offices in aduauncement of his