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A19224 Discoverye of a counterfecte conference helde at a counterfecte place, by counterfecte travellers, for thadvancement of a counteerfecte tytle, and invented, printed, and published by one (person) that dare not avovve his name Constable, Henry, 1562-1613. 1600 (1600) STC 5638.5; ESTC S111899 27,719 97

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hovvrely remouable from his ovvne opinion nor may examine the matter priuatli before or after he come to conferr therof or els their admission is not sufficient by this rule of theirs More ouer thes tvvo lavvyers and all those trauailinge conferers in this supposed assembly at Amsterdame are by this rules condemned beinge all priuat persones for entermedlige thē selfes vvith this matter of successiō touchinge the title of a kinge Fourthly the state of monarchie vvhiehe thies tvvo lavvyers do confesse acknovvledge to be of al other formes of gouernement most excelēt perfect in it selfe must needs be most contemptible vnperfect infamous of all other because the Ciuilian so esteemeth the tenure of a Crovvne to be most irreguler most extraordinarie for the Ciuilians opinion is the sentence of all thies conferrers to be irreagler and extraordinarye is to be vnder no rule nor order vvher vpon consequētly the kinge holdeth his Crovvne by no rule nor order is of hiselse irregular not subiect to rule or order And if the comō vvealth be theonely Iudge ouer the kinge to cōptrol him as thies men teache vs none is by theire Doctrine appointed nor allovved to comptroll the common vvealths sentēce thē it must needs folovv that the common vvealth in this case is also vnder no vvill nor order no meruail for a multitude vvithout a head or of manie heads none good vvhat is it but a chaos confused masse ovvt of al order Thus vve are taught that the vnrulie must rule the vnruly if an irregular disordered multitude must gouerne the most irregular exrraordinarie Crovvne as theis men terme it Nay by this doctrine an vsurper disseizer intruder impious tyrant or infidel once admitted by the cōmon vvealth must not be deposed Again a possession onely must guide the right as the most materiall point to lead thin heritance succession of a Crovvne tvvo assertiōsneuer allovved for good plees in any lavv spiritual or temporal Diuin or humain most vvorthie of ovvt claps vvith hisses vvhistles yet they must both be allovved maīteined vnder this generall maxime of admission And so all enormities must be streight rules vvronges must be rights violence must be lavv bad must be good good must be bad if thies be allovved admitted by a multitude dravven to gether any vvaye to represēt beare the name of a republick or comon stat vvhiche for cleanelye conueyhance of a fovvl thinge in a fayre hand kerchife thies men doe call a common vvealth a speciall fallacie to abuse the simple besides euerie lavvfull king is deposible for or vvithout cause if the common vvealth dislike him euery quarel is a sufficiēt cause to depose a kinge if the cōmon wealth so esteme it euery kinge shal be accompted a tyrant an hereticque an infidel or incapable othervvays vnfit consequētly deposible because the publick state here called a cōmon vvealth holdeth him so to be is theonlye Iudge of all causes in this case of a kings state of all cōmisions that must procede from a kinge for no other Iudge is appointed in thies mens text A plaine contradiction to their ovvn Doctrin an error that thies lavvers vvill not stand to if they be pressed to ansvvere by authoritie authentique More ouer it must folovv vpon thies mens Doctrin that euerye multitude so incorporated as they got the style tytle of a publick state in their ovvn consceit by pretence may rightly be called a common vvealth habled by lavv to inioye all the preuileges before mentioned though they vvant a head yea thovvgh no vvelth nor commoditie commō or priuat be by them maintened And that euery publick stat or suche common vvealth as they haue allovved may at their pleasure alter chaunge innouat the caur se of inheritance succession to the Crovvn so as they may barre the right true title all redye cast vpon any persone by the lavves of the same state though the same persone be no member of the same state nor subiect ther vnto by nature submissiō or other lavvful meanes Consequently that the kīge of spaine is bovvnde to setle his consciēce not impugne the ordinance of the novv English common vvealth hovv iust so euer his title be for the present or future tyme nor to examine any others title allovved admitted by the same common vvealth if that negatiue pregnant foisted in to the margent touching priuat men can not be hable to cōptroll the text vvhich bindeth euery man vvithout exception or difference of priuat or publick And last of all it is sett dovvn in plaine termes that euery kinge holdeth his Crovvne by the good vvill of his common vvealth as by the onely lavvfull good tenur of a Crovvne A playne contradiction to the state of inheritance and an absurditie vvorthie to haue all manner of scorne moquerye neuer auuoched for any plea neuer mentioned in any booke rol or record or vvritting of vvise mā nor admited in to the thought or imagination of any lavve maker lavvyer or other mēindued vvith common sence in Englande and an hiperbolical fictio against the state of Regall Ma. yet vve must beleaue it because the Ciuilian saith so vvho by al thies trauailinge opinions must be allvvayes allovved Thus vve see that by the Ciuiliās lavve his Ma. tenur vvherby he boldeth his Crovvne must be irregular extraordinarie though he be admitted by his comon vvealthe once setled in his state therfore not remouable yet that vvill not serue if he holdeth his Crovvne as tenant at vvil of the cōmon vvealth vvho may reuoke their admissions vvhē thei vst to finde suche cause as they thinke sufficient consequently he hath no state of inheritāce nor succession vvhat vvould the king Catholicke say to this thīke yovv if he vvere vvel informed of this particular Nay vvhat they of holande and zelande vvil presume here on to thīke say for hardeninge theire harts mainteyninge theire actual rebellions euery man seeth his Ma. can not be ignorāt Therfor it is not like that he vvas priuie to the contents of this book so farre as to allovv of it here his Ma. may behold the blinde presūptiō of thies statists vvho dare thus confront his Ma. in the chiefest point of his Maiestical state vvith such indignities by abusinge all regall dignitie so lovv as to make it the vassal of eueri arrogant rovvt of any vnlavvfull assembled multitude that can by hook or crroke vvile or guyle flaterye or violence catche snatche the visard of a common vvealth for more credit to their excessiue speache also vse his Ma. as a bolster to leane vpō vnder cloak of a licēce to roue freely through his Ma. Dominions vvhere it ruleth and comaundeth Yea these bold aduenturers do raūge so farre farther as by colour of his Ma. authoritie they dare attempt to stoppe the mouths and pennes of all
all passeth by vvaye os protestation More ouer euery mans pretence of claime to the Crovvn must seeme iust and his allegations true for none must be discouraged to stur questions and dovvts yea the matter is so handled that euery one vvhich is of kinne to the Crovvne hovv farre ofso euer it be shal be allovved and encoraged to pretēd clayme a title both men vvomen to make the matter much more dovvtfull as the nomber of pretēdors encreaseth more more though in verye deed thies lavvyers intend that none of them shal be hable to preuail except one of tvvo at the most they care not vvhiche as I said before yet it is not long syns they both should haue bene excluded and an other preferred if thies lavvers myght haue their vvilles Besyde all this theise lavvyers vvil protest indifferencie to all though they shevv them selues fryndes to none but to one alone vvhich in their cōceits vvilbe hable to rule the tyme And some persones their cause must be couertly abased vvhose renovvne other vvhils these men haue magnisied as so me others must be extolled aboue the skyes vvhome in other tymes they vvolde haue blotted fourth of their bookes As also the late Queene of Scotts Mary of famous memorye and consequentli her heires must be reiectedvvith in dignities and impudently spotted vvith infamy of treason other crimes to please the tyme though vvhen tyme serued they thought othervvise of her or els they vvere most odible dissēblers to speak of the chefest of thies cōferrers The state of a Monarchy must seeme to content thies lavvyers a vvhile in some place abroode thoughe thei vvoulde per suade the people that the state of a prouince vnder a foreine Prince vvere better to be established and continued at home to serue the presēt turne An vnsauerye sainge to the sences of all true englishe men meriteth smal thankes at the Kinges hādes I spare to speake of many other particular shifts for breuities sake because the vvise reader easelye find thē But by thies a man maye vvell cōceiue vvhat good reason ther is to moue a dislik of the vvayes mea nes vvhiche thies lavvyers haue deuised to lead the simple men to the marke that they shoote at And vvith all it is vvorth obseruation to mark hovv curiouse hovv full of vvordes thies lavvyers shevv them selfes in prouinge some thinges that no vvise man vvil graunte so subtil conueyhance they haue to seduce othets An thus much touching the manner forme of their procedinges Novv thē to speake somevvhat of the circumstances touchinge the proper effects or casualties depending vpon the practizes and shifts or concurringe vvith them vvho seethe not those horrible scandals steepe dovvne falls threatninge present ruyne to all obedience humilitie Ciuil order vvhen it shal be knovvē to be allovved for an vndoubted maxime and published vvith the trōpet of commō fame as a prescript lavv that a multitude hauinge once got by any indirect practize a conterfeited name of a comon vvealth for suche are the commō vvealthes vvhom thies lavvyers haue produced for they re profes may lavvfully place displace kinges and Soueragns accordinge to their restelesse humours and affections vho cōceiueth not the consequences of this Doctrin vvhat other good cā be expected to folovv it thē that preposterously against all good fashion order accordinge to a lesbian rule reason shal be addressed to mens doeing not their doeinge directed to reason lavves shal be construed according to the sensuall vvils appetits of a multitude not the multitude reformed acding to Gods lavves And cōsequētly the Soueraign shal be forced to accōmodate him selfe agreable to the māners cōditions of his subiects not his subiects appliable to tharbitramēt of their soueraign be he neuer so good gratiouse longer thē they vvil obey Thē in vvhat quiet state or securitie is that nation like to stand vvhich hath a Soueraigne vpon souffrance onely de facto in respect of a bare possession durante bene placito populi at the vvill of the people onely and not de iure in his ovvne right to cōtinevv by order of lavv othervvise then as it pleaseth the people to interpret the lavv frō tyme as the varieties of humours doe alter their dispositions Euen so vvhat good assurance can a Kinge or Soueraign haue or expecte for safetye of his state or persone vvhen the people shall haue suche a directorie as vvil make theire actiōs good allovvable to displace him at their pleasure because some multitude vnder a colourable name of a comon vvealth hath doen the like for in suche sorte thies lavvyers doe argue By thies general circumstances an infinit nomber of particular enormities absurdities mischiefs incōueniences concurringe vvith this popular Doctrin A vvyse man may easely conceyue vvhat commendatiō thies tvvo lavvyers deserue for their conference they them selues vvolde easelye be enduced to confesse if either theyr ovvne consciences vvere discouered or the state of tyme vvere suche as vvolde alter the cafe inuite thē to tourne ouer the leafte to thoetherside But touchīg theffect of this popularitie vve shall haue occasiō to speake more here after In meane vvhile it is a vvōder to see vvith vvhat glosses cōments they seeke to delude simple personnes by vvaye of preocupation forstalling of mens conceits at first sighte to auoyde all farther examination of their straunge proceadings for they haue proctors brokors in all places to extoll them and all theyr attempts aboue the skyes vvith generall speaches And by the industrie of thies trauailers a common fame is blovven a broade that al vvhich thies men doe is done in ordine ad Deum in a course to God vvard therfore are not reprehensible nor to be called in question by any As if there vvere no other vvaye allovvable to lead vs tovvard God then by that most inconuenient passage vvhich they vvill iustly cōdemne in others to vvit by innouatinge most iniustly settled lavves to supplant right establishe lavves to disseize trevve heires of their lavvfull inheritances and consequently to haile and dravv innocents through bloody shambles to massacre all sortes of people bothe friends foes for suche vvilbe theffects of theire sur mised doubtz vvhils vvith a vvicked conspiracye against the vvhole corps of theenglish blood Royall bred borne in England or in the same Iland against all the nobilitie commons of their natiue Countrye vnder most vniuste pretenses of vvrested titles ther practises for doubts doe tēd to no other end then to procure a conquest vuith a common hauoke confusion of home bred citizens of a vvhole nation for aduauncinge of foreigners like men that care not for a most vncerteyne gayne to throvv them selfes others into a moste certeyne mischiefe a labirinthe of all kinde of miseries vnder a vayne hope of an vnsteadfast tyme vvith a pretense notvvith