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A04434	The svmme and svbstance of the conference which, it pleased his excellent Maiestie to haue with the lords, bishops, and other of his clergie, (at vvhich the most of the lordes of the councell were present) in his Maiesties priuy-chamber, at Hampton Court. Ianuary 14. 1603. / Contracted by VVilliam Barlovv, Doctor of Diuinity, and Deane of Chester. Whereunto are added, some copies, (scattered abroad,) vnsauory, and vntrue.	Barlow, William, d. 1613.	1604 (1604)	STC 1456.5; ESTC S100949	36,617	118

in meane while conferre vvith them and if they vvould not yeeld vvhatsoeuer they vvere to remoue them after their time expired No sooner was that motion ended but downe fals M. Knewstubs and hee requestes the like fauour of forbearance for some honest Ministers in Suffolke telling the K. it vvould make much against their Credites in the Country to be now forced to the Surplis and the Crosse in Baptisme My Lordes Grace was aunswering Nay saith his Maiestie let me alone with him Sir saith the King you shew your selfe an vncharitable man wee haue here taken paines and in the end haue concluded of an vnity and vniformitie and you forsooth must preferre the Credites of a few priuate men before the generall peace of the Church this is iust the Scottish argument for when any thing was there concluded which disliked some humors the onely reason why they would not obey was it stoode not with their credits to yeeld hauing so long beene of the cōtrary opinion I vvill none of that saith the King and therefore eyther let them cōform thēselues that shortly or they shall heare of it My Lord Cecill put his Maiestie in mind of a word his Highnes had vsed the day before namely of Ambuling Communions saying that the indecency thereof vvas very offensiue had driuen many from the Church here M. Chatterton vvas told of sitting Communions in Emanuel Colledge vvhich hee saide vvas so by reason of the seates so placed as they be yet that they had some kneeling also Finally they ioyntly promised to bee quiet and obedient now they knew it to be the Kinges mind to haue it so His Maiesties gracious conclusion was so piercing as that it fetched teares from some on both sides My Lord of London ended all in the name of the vvhole company with a Thankesgiuing vnto God for his Maiestie and a prayer for the health and prosperity of his Highnes our gracious Queene the yong Prince and al their Royall Issue His Maiestie departed into the inner Chamber all the Lordes presently went to the Councell Chamber to appoint Commissioners for the seuerall matters before referred FINIS The Preface MAny Copies were sent me wherof some were so shamelesly vntrue and I assure you so obscaene that I think his Maiestie would haue bene as much offended with me for Printing as with the Authors for dispearsing them I haue chosen three of the best and cleanliest which doe here vnder follow I giue no censure neither know I the Dispearsers let the Reader conferre and iudge Rectum est iudex sui obliqui The first Copie Ianuary 15. 1603. SIr I cannot conceale from you the good successe which it hath pleased God to sende vs by the Conference which his Maiestie had with the Bishops at the court There appeared none but the Bishops which were with the King aboue three houres Can. Lon. Wint. fell downe on their knees and desired that all things might remaine least the Papists should thinke we haue bene in an error The King replied that in 42. yeares corruptions might creep in He spake of cōfirmation priuate Baptisme the Crosse dumbe Ministerie non residence the Courtes which he promised to amēd especially he spake bitterly against priuate Baptisme saying hee had as liue an Ape as a woman should Baptise his childe and against Courtes which hee saide he would put downe The Lo. chiefe Iustice and the Lo. Cecil against Excommunications by Lay-men Maister Deane of the Chappell speaking something to the King in his eare the Bishop of London insolently said vnto him Doctor Mountague speake out that we may heare you and seeke not to crosse vs. At their departure they said that if the King should vse the Ministers in such sort as they were vsed they would be too insolent The King said they were his subiectes and if hee would not heare them then they had iust cause to complaine The Bishops brought foorth many Popish arguments which the King very ernestly answered and learnedly more then tenne times calling them Popish arguments and saide by those reasons they might prooue Popery The Bishop of Winchester saide that if he tooke away priuate Baptisme he ouerthrew all antiquitie The Bishop of Peterbrough brought a foolish argument with much disgrace to himselfe The Bishops haue taken Wednesday to consider of the Kings speech The Ministers came to the King on Munday at nine of the clocke Honest men about the Court are comforted Conformitans hang down their heads and the Bishops men curse the Puritanes sic explicit 1. dies Another Copie I Haue sent you the declaration of the Conference which was in this manner The firste day the Bishoppes mette before his Maiestie Bishops of Canterburie London and Winchester making earnest sute that all things might stand as they did least the Papists should take offence who might say we would perswade them to come to a Church hauing errors in it and the Puritans will say they haue bin persecuted long The King answered that the best state would gather corruptions and that it was no argument for them to say they would not be cured of the pox because they had had it 30. yeares he concluded against absolution confirmation priuate Baptisme the dumbe and scandulous Ministers pluralities the Courtes and the authoritie of Bishoppes by the high Commissisners c. The second day the Ministers were conuented before the King who answered fearefully modestly the Bishop of Lon. behaued himselfe insolently saying these are Cartwrightes Schollers Scismatikes breakers of your Maiesties lawes you may know thē by their Turkie gownes and silke Turky Grogorum The third day they met all where the King spake much to vnitie that they might ioyne against the Papists All the three dayes the King behaued himselfe admirable to the beholders graunting to the Ministers their earnest request that the Ceremonies of the Crosse in Baptisme and the Surplises reuerent for antiquitie should not be vrged vpon the consciences of the Ministers so that they were peaceable mē and that they should haue time to consider of them many hundreds being resolued rather to haue lost their places then to haue yeelded to those superstitions against which they had Preached The last day the Bishop of Cant. was intreated to be a meanes that the ceremonies might not be pressed but he answered they had bene vrged as necessary and should be so still But it pleased God to moue his Maiestie to a more peaceable course the Bishop of Peter-borow came in with his argument about Baptisme which the King made voide to his great reproach The King saide many times that the Bishoppes reasons were popish and that they might establish Poperie by them it is thought that the King will be shortly in Huntingtonshire The Lord Chancellor the Lord Cecil the Lord chiefe Iustice and the Atturnie Generall must set downe some course for the high Commission and the Spirituall Courts A third Copie Some of the speeches that are bruited vpon Maister Doctor Reynoldes returne to Oxen. concerning the late Conference before his Maiestie 1 THat the Kinges Maiestie did gratifie Maister Doctor Reynoldes in euery thing which he proposed or that Doctor Reynoldes obtained and preuailed in euerie thing he did desire 2 That if anie man reporte the contrarie hee doth lye or that they should giue him the lye from Maister Doctor Reynoldes 3 That these thinges now obtained by the reformers were but the beginning of reformation the greater matters were yet to come 4 That my Lord of Winton stoode mute and said little or nothing 5 That my Lord of London called Doctor Reynoldes Schismatick indeede he thankes him for it but otherwise said little to purpose 6 That the Kings Maiestie vsed the Bishops with very hard words but imbraced maister Doctor Reynolds and vsed most kind speeches to him 7 That my Lo. of Canterbury or my Lo. of London falling on his knees besought his Maiestie to take their cause into his owne handes and to make some good end of it such as might stand with their credite Archiep. Can tuar 2 Deanes of Ep. Londl Christchur VVinchest VVindsor Archdeac Nottinghā and mine owne Prou. 30 1● 13. 14 Pro. 25. 11 Iohn 1. 5. 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 2 1 2 3 4 1 1 2 3 2 3 4 1. Cor. 14. Act. 21. Other Copies haue the Bishop of Winchester

sayeth his Maiestie was best but where it might not bee had godly prayers and exhortations did much good That that may be done let it and let the rest that cannot bee tollerated Somewhat was here spoken by the Lord Chancelor of liuinges rather wanting learned men then learned men liuinges Many in the Vniuersities pining Maisters Batchelors and vpwardes wishing therefore that some might haue single coates before other had dublets here his L. shewed the course that hee had euer taken in bestowing the Kinges Benefices My Lord of London commending his Honourable care that way withall excepted that a dublet was necessary in cold weather the L. Chancelor replied that he did it not for dislike of the libertie of our Church in granting one man 2. benefices but out of his owne priuate purpose and practise groūded vpō the foresaid reason The last motion by my L. of London was that Pulpits might not be made Pasquilles wherein euery humorous or discontented fellow might traduce his superiours Which the King very gratiously accepted exceedingly reprouing that as a lewde custome threatning that if hee should but heare of such a one in a Pulpit hee would make him an example concluding with a sage admonition to the Opponents that euery man shoulde solicite and drawe his friendes to make peace and if anything were amisse in the Church officers not to make the Pulpit the place of personall reproofe but to let his Maiestie heare of it yet by degrees First let Complaint be to the Ordinarie of the place from him to goe to the Archbishoppe from him to the Lordes of his Maiesties Councell and from them if in all these places no remedie is founde to his owne selfe Which Caueat his Maiestie put in for that the Bishop of London had tolde him that if hee left himselfe open to admit of all complaints neither his Maiestie should euer bee quiet nor his vnder Officers regarded seeing that now alreadie no fault can bee censured but presently the Delinquent threatneth a complaint to the King and for an instance he added how a Printer whome hee had taken faulty very lately answered him in that very kinde D. Reyn. commeth now to Subscription which concerneth the fourth generall heade as hee first propounded it namely The Communion booke taking occasion to leape into it here as making the vrging of it to be a great impeachment to a learned Ministery therefore intreated it might not be exacted as heretofore for which many good men were kept out other remoued many disquieted To subscribe according to the statutes of the Realme namely to the Articles of Religion and the Kinges Supremacy they were not vnwilling The reason of their backwardnesse to subscribe otherwise was first the bookes Apocryphall which the Common Praier booke enioyned to bee reade in the Church albeit there are in some of those Chapters appointed manifest errors directly repugnāt to the scriptures the particular instance which hee then inferred was Eccles. 48. 10. where hee charged the author of that booke to haue held the same opinion with the Iewes at this day namely that Elias in person was to come before Christ and therefore as yet Christ by that reason not come in the flesh and so consequently it implyed a denial of the chief Article of our redemption his reason of thus charging the Authour was because that Ecclus. vsed the very wordes of Elias in person which the Prophet Malachy Chap. 4. doth apply to an Elias in resemblance which both an angell Luke 1. 17. and our Sauiour Christ Math. 11. did interprete to be Iohn Baptist. The answere was as the obiection twofold First generall for Apocrypha bookes The Bishop of London shewing first for the antiquitie of them that the most of the obiections made against those bookes were the old Cauils of the Iewes renewed by S. Hierome in his time who was the first that gaue them the name of Apocrypha which opinion vpon Ruffinus his chalenge hee after a sort disclaimed the rather because a generall offence was taken at his speeches in that kinde First for the continuāce of them in the Church out of Kimidoncius and Chemnitius two moderne writers The Bishoppe of Winton remembred the distinction of Saint Ierome Canonici sunt ad informandos mores non ad confirmandam fidem which distinction hee saide must be held for the iustifying of sundry Councels His Maiestie in the ende saide hee would take an euen order betweene both affirming that hee woulde not wish all Canonicall bookes to be read in the Church vnlesse there were one to interprete nor any Apocrypha at all wherein there was any error but for the other which were cleare correspondent to the scriptures he would haue them read for else sayeth his Maiestie why were they printed and therein shewed the vse of the Bookes of Machabees very good to make vp the story of the persecution of the Iewes but not to teach a man either to sacrifice for the dead or to kill himselfe And here his Highnesse arose from his chaire withdrew himself into his inner chamber a little space in the meane time a great questioning was amōgst the Lords about that place of Eccles. with which as if it had beene their rest and vpshot they beganne afresh at his Maiesties returne Who seeing them so to vrge it and stand vpon it calling for a Bible first shewed the author of that booke who hee was then the cause why hee wrote that booke next analyzed the Chapter it selfe shewing the precedentes and consequentes thereof lastly so exactly and diuinelike vnfolded the summe of that place arguing and demonstrating that whatsoeuer Ben Sirach had saide there of Elias Elias had in his owne person while hee liued performed and accomplished so that the Susurrus at the first mention was not so great as the astonishment was now at the King his so sodaine and sound and indeede so admirable an interpretation concluding first with a serious checke to Doctor Reynaldes that it was not good to impose vpon a man that was dead a sense neuer meant by him secondly with a pleasant Apostrophe to the Lordes What trowe yee makes these men so angry with Ecclesiasticus by my soule I thinke hee was a Bishoppe or else they would neuer vse him so But for the generall it was appointed by his Maiestie that Doctor Reyn. should note those chapters in the Apocrypha bookes where those offensiue places were and should bring them vnto the Lord Archshop of Canterburie against VVednesday next and so he was willed to goe on The next scruple against Subscription was that olde Crambe bis posita that in the Common Prayer booke it is twise set downe Iesus saide to his Disciples when as by the text originall it is plaine that he spake to the Pharisies To which it was aunswered that for ought that coulde appeare by the places hee might speake aswell to his Disciples they beeing present as to the Pharisees But his