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A78222 Apodeixis tou antiteichismatos. Or, a tryall of the counter-scarfe, made 1642. In answer to a scandalous pamphlet, intituled, A treatise against superstitious Iesu-worship: written by Mascall Giles, Vicar of Ditchling in Sussex. Wherein are discovered his sophismes: and the holy mother our church is cleered of all the slanders which hee hath laid on her. By the author of the Antiteichisma. Barton, Thomas, 1599 or 1600-1682 or 3. 1643 (1643) Wing B997; Thomason E87_13; ESTC R209874 118,628 143

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oppose the Text introducing a Pluralitie of Names where is Speech but of one In your Syllogisme is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a changing of the question and a bringing in of many The six before are all in this But an other answer you must have and this is it You were told before that Christ layd downe no Name Hee kept all that ever he was though in a peculiar manner he by dispensation veiled his Glory A Name he received and that is his personall Name Iesus That doth reach him fully Christ doth not For God could not be annoynted Nor is God his full Name for he is man also Iesus doth both His full Name therefore is his proper Name What occasion then soever was taken at his other Attributes which moved the Jewes their hatred came still to Iesus They disdained that he a Carpenter Sonne should be called Lord or God or Christ or King Those Titles offended not them but at them they tooke cause to be off●nded with Iesus Disdaining that he should be such a one they deadly hated him when he was called such a one Now I 'le tell you what here appeares even a composition of Syllogismes In the Major of two is Confusio terminorum and falsum suppositum too You suppose that Christ layd down his Names Lord God c. Which if you meane as the Soule was layd downe from the body is Arrianisme But if you will mollifie layd downe by veiling concealing c. as I wish it might by all be understood then the question is changed not onely from Name to Names but from the Name scorned to the Name veiled The question is not of Names most concealed but of the Name scorned most There is also false composition a bene conjunctis ad male divisas For what meane you by at the mentioning of these Lord God c. but that when he was called Lord or God c. hee suffered disdaine And so it is true in the conjunction not in the division True in composito he was Scorned when called Lord God c. but that therefore the Name Lord or God c. was Scorned in simplici termino is false And thus your owne argument is strong against your selfe When Iesus was called Lord or Sonne of God or Christ c. the Jewes hated the very Name of Iesus Not deriding the Name Lord or Christ c. they could not endure either in composito that is that Iesus should be Lord or God or Christ c. So Iesus not Lord nor God c. was still the Name of contempt The reason that you subjoyne for bowing at the Name they owne it that will I doe not The reason that I give is because God hath highly exalted it by the Union and for our Salvation And one reason that it is highest exalted is because it was lowest humbled See my Antiteich Tract 3. p. 16. Your inference from the Type is not against this Yet you may know that when Ioseph and Daniel were advanced they were advanced in at and under the Name of Ioseph and Daniel And I may tell you that if in the foot of this Section by Church you meane the Triumphant also you contradict your self where you said that Iesus should not be mentioned hereafter Sect. 8. For ought therefore that you have here brought forth I may close this Section with that of Erasmus in his Preface on this Text that unto Christ for his humility famous was given the Super excellent Name Vt iam ad Iesu illius consputi crucifixi Nomen se flectat submittatomne genu that at the Name of that Iesus on whom the Jewes spit and whom they Crucified every knee should bow and submit SECTION III. THirdly Thus they reason We receive more benefit by the Name Iesus than by any other Name for it signifieth our Saviour And in this sense they preferre it above other Names yea above Iehovah it selfe Some have openly taught this stuffe Iesus is more excellent then Iehovah because Jehovah delivered the people from the Land of Aegypt out of the house of bondage Iustifi of bowing p. 47. but Iesus delivers us from the wrath to come Yea Master Page himselfe speakes very meanly in comparison of the Name Lord which is the same with Iehovah for every where where the Septuagints find the Name Iehovah they translate it by the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Lord. Yea though he doe acknowledge that the Name Lord doth betoken the Dietie For thus he saith What tell you me of Lord give me a Samaritan that may bind up my wounds And in other places he preferres the Name Iesus before Christ and Lord. Answer I am heartily sorrie that obedience will not be unlesse a reason be seene of what God commands And if any reason would serve methinkes this is the reason of all reasons that Iesus is our Saviour How his Name is and how above other Names to God to us and in it s●lfe is at large in my Antiteichis Some have indeed taught this doctrine what stuffe so●ver you count it that Jesus is a farther expr●ssion then Iehovah ●o have I and justifie it in my Antiteich Tract 3. Pag. 20. And if I said that God in the Name of Iehovah deliver'd the people out of the house of bondage say I not more in saying that he in the Name of Iesus delivered us from the tyranny of the Devill I doubt you love not Iesus that love not those who so advance his Name that every Attribute of God is advanced in it For the glory that God hath of us by all his Attributes is given unto him in the Name of Iesus He hath so appointed and we should so doe Doctor Page then doth not speake meanely of the Name Lord when he saith that in the Name of God is no comfort without the Name of Iesus but the comfort that Christians have is that our God is a Iesus No feare of diminishing Gods honour by the exalting of his Sonne For it is both Gods will that hee should be so exalted Phil. 2.9 and To the glory of God the Father that he is so verse 11. Answer 1. I desire to know what they meane by this reasoning If this bee their meaning that the Title Iesus did more for us than the Titles Christ Iehovah or Lord it is most ridiculous yea it is Idolatry to attribute our Salvation to bare names or titles which our Saviour himselfe wrought for us But if this be their meaning that the Person Jesus is greater and did more for us than the Person Christ Iehovah or Lord this is as senselesse as the other for First this will divide Iesus from Christ and make Jesus and Christ two Persons 2. I● will seperate Iesus from Iehovah so making Christ no● God or above God and so in effect deny him to be a Saviour for if he had not beene Iehovah he could not have saved us 2. It is an absurd kind