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A79533 A whip for the lecturers of Lewis, and for all those Presbyterians, and others of the clergy which maintain that damnable opinion of absolute reprobation, according to the sense of the within written paper. With an exact copy of two several letters sent unto the the said lecturers, wherein the author desires satisfaction concerning the said opinion, with an answer to one of the said letters, being a true copy also. / By Edward Choune ... Choune, Edward. 1657 (1657) Wing C3929; ESTC R171318 20,781 29

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life and conversation was not agreeable unto justice and equity as Jacobs but his own malice for there is mentioned nothing at all in that place that Esau was disinherited of eternall life but that he should be inferiour to his Brother Jacob in this world as the Prophet Malac. chap. 1. makes it appeare who saith S. Paul useth this example of Jacob and Esau in Rom. 9 for none other purpose but to take away from the Jews the thing that they most put their trust in to lay the vaine hope they had in their carnall lineage and naturall descent from the family and houshold of Abraham and likewise the false confidence they had in the keeping of the Law of Moses Pauls whole purpose is in this Epistle to bring Man unto the knowledge of his sin and to shew him how he may be remitted He also speaking of severall impediments which hinder us from keeping of Gods Law men will not returne from their evill and licentious wayes by repentance but mount straight wayes into Gods Providence searching the privities and secrets of God which were never made known unto Man or Angel and in another place the Bishop saith our Gospellers are better learned then the holy Ghost for they wickedly attribute the cause of punishment and adversity to Gods providence which is the cause of no ill as he himself can do no ill and of every mischief that is done they say it was Gods will The Holy Ghost putteth another cause that is to say sin in man and contempt of his holy word further the pain is not inflicted by predestination to loose man but both predestination and the affliction extend to call man from damnation The blind Sooth sayers that write of things to come are more to be esteemed then these curious and high-climbing wits for they attribute the cause of ill to the ill aspects and sinister conjunctions of the Planets Also he saith the commands of God are easie to be observed we need not sail to the Indies with danger of our lives for it he saith no man is so cruel but he may wax meek if he give a willing ear to discipline all men are bound to know upon pain of damnation the Articles of their faith to know God in Christ the ten Commandments for to know what works to do and what to leave undone and also the Pater noster Christs prayer which is an Abridgment Epitome or a compendious Collection of all the Psalms and Prayers written in the whole Scripture in which thou prayest for the remission of sins as well for thy self as for all others desirest the grace of the holy Ghost to preserve thee in virtue givest thanks for the goodness of God towards thee and all others he that knoweth less then this cannot be saved and he that knoweth no more then this if he follow his knowledge cannot be damned The third Author is Dr. Hammond in his Fundamentals who p. 130. saith That Christ dying for none but the Elect it is asserted without any pretence or colour of Scripture-proof nay in opposition to as plain distinct affirmations as can be produced for any Article of the Greed and saith that Christs dying for all is the express doctrine of the Scripture concludes that ch 14. p. 144. as necessary as hope is to labour encouragement to quickening of action so necessary is the belief of universal redemption to the superstructing of Christian life The fourth Author is Mr. Pierce in his vindication of some notes concerning Gods decrees written this very year p. 85. saith treating of the error of Christs dying onely for the Elect that it is a pernicious heresie being contrary to Scripture and the clearest Scriptures that can be named for universal redemption is exhibited to us in Scripture by all expressions of universal which the tongue of Men and Angels is possibly able to express he concludes his 23. Sect. of his third Chapter the adversary disclaiming this error of Christs dying only for the elect all the rest will tumble of their own accord The fifth Author is Mr Sanders in his book Gods love manifested unto all men p. 161. saith they that teach Christ died onely for a few take away the true Gospel and ground of faith and do introduce a false Gospel which affords men no grounds to believe I have read several Authors which maintain we shall not be damn'd for original fin and they say themselves that Adam the great offender was certainly saved I have heard Mr Hugh Peters himself preach Let men talk what they will said he that in his judgment the pain of loss in respect of hell fire which loss was the being deprived of the presence of God and his Angels would be greater then the pain of sense Now Sanders saith pag. 60. and p. 79. no man shall ever perish for Adams sin I speak of this in answer to Mr Peters judgment for saith Sanders if those that perish had not sufficient of means afforded them to life and happiness there can be no pain of loss but rather comfort themselves that their misery was unavoidable and so saith he the case would be still alike for they were lost before they were borne and therefore no more to blame themselves then an heir hath reason to blame himself because his father spent his inheritance before he was borne it would rejoyce my heart to see these Authors well answered by Scripture and Reason I could instance in many Authors more but I will forbeare onely commend the Reader to Mr Hoards book called Gods love to Mankind who will tell thee their wretched opinion is contrary unto Gods nature the Scripture and sound reason who will tell thee it overthroweth all Religion and how it makes God a meer deluder and his Ministers false witnesses for they offer unto men salvation conditionally whose damnation is determined absolutely and how it maketh the whole circle of a mans life nothing but a meer destiny In a word read but his book twice over and then if thou art not too much byassed in beleeving as the Priest beleeves right or wrong Pope-like I am very confident thou wilt doe as I my selfe am resolved never to reverence these Reprobatarians more untill such time they will better satisfie me by Scripture and reason for the maintenance of their most impious opinion Besides what I have read I do believe I have discoursed with thousands of people some of them Doctors of Divinity and many of them Ministers and very many of them in the esteem of the world have been a precise religious knowing sort of people for the most part have concluded with me that their opinion of absolute reprobation they holding of it as aforesaid is a most damnable erroneous blasphemous opinion saying if a truth of God no matter for Ministers nor the Scriptures nor for Christ Jesus his coming Notwithstanding it doth appear both by Scripture and the learned that the whole body of Divinity turns on this