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consent_n to_o i_o in_o truth_n it_o be_v much_o more_o please_a that_o we_o do_v only_a that_o which_o christ_n practise_v and_o deliver_v to_o his_o apostle_n but_o if_o some_o indifferent_a thing_n be_v add_v i_o will_v not_o for_o this_o cause_n now_o that_o to_o sharp_a contention_n be_v raise_v about_o it_o loc._n come_v fol._n 1088._o hoopero_n saravia_n 1_o tyranny_n appertain_v to_o the_o pope_n which_o undertake_v the_o command_n over_o man_n conscience_n and_o under_o penalty_n of_o eternal_a curse_n command_v &_o forbid_v thing_n in_o their_o nature_n indifferent_a which_o can_v be_v approve_v for_o three_o cause_n first_o because_o he_o place_v religion_n in_o such_o thing_n whereby_o god_n be_v not_o worship_v second_o because_o he_o asscribe_v merit_n expiation_n of_o sin_n and_o satisfaction_n to_o they_o three_o because_o he_o have_v no_o authority_n to_o exact_v these_o thing_n of_o the_o people_n of_o god_n 2_o yet_o we_o must_v know_v that_o the_o just_a 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the_o like_a i_o say_v of_o all_o other_o thing_n whether_o they_o concern_v the_o common_a affair_n of_o our_o life_n or_o the_o external_a comeliness_n of_o divine_a worship_n so_o as_o golden_a mediocrity_n be_v observe_v defence_n fol._n 580._o object_n bb._n hooper_n these_o ceremony_n be_v repugnant_a &_o opposite_a unto_o the_o word_n of_o god_n they_o be_v impious_a superstition_n answ_n caluin_n in_o the_o english_a leturgy_n as_o you_o the_o english_a exile_n at_o frankford_n do_v describe_v unto_o i_o i_o spy_v out_o many_o tolerabiles_fw-la ineptias_fw-la tolerable_a unfit_a thing_n by_o which_o two_o word_n i_o express_v thus_o much_o that_o there_o be_v not_o that_o purity_n which_o be_v to_o be_v wish_v which_o error_n can_v not_o immediate_o the_o first_o day_n be_v correct_v cum_fw-la nulla_fw-la subesset_fw-la manifesta_fw-la impietas_fw-la ferenda_fw-la ad_fw-la tempus_fw-la fuisse_fw-la see_v there_o be_v therein_o contain_v no_o manifest_a impiety_n these_o thing_n shall_v have_v be_v bear_v withal_o for_o a_o time_n epist_n 200._o fol._n 336._o bucer_n 1._o in_o the_o ceremony_n of_o the_o english_a leturgy_n or_o book_n of_o common_a prayer_n i_o have_v not_o find_v any_o thing_n which_o be_v not_o take_v out_o of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n or_o at_o lest_o which_o be_v repugnant_a to_o it_o so_o it_o be_v favourable_o understand_v bucer_n script_n angl._n in_o cen_n fol._n 456._o 2_o i_o be_o not_o persuade_v that_o there_o be_v in_o they_o the_o surplesses_n any_o impious_a thing_n per_fw-la se_fw-la of_o themselves_o or_o in_o their_o own_o nature_n so_o that_o godly_a man_n may_v not_o use_v they_o godly_a ibid._n fol._n 458._o to_o make_v the_o use_n of_o these_o garment_n impious_a in_o themselves_o i_o see_v no_o scripture_n to_o allow_v it_o ibid._n f._n 709._o hooper_n 3_o as_o for_o my_o part_n if_o i_o think_v that_o those_o ceremony_n and_o vesture_n be_v impure_a of_o themselves_o i_o will_v not_o take_v upon_o i_o in_o any_o wise_a the_o office_n of_o a_o minister_n or_o bishop_n until_o by_o ordinary_a authority_n they_o be_v take_v away_o in_o epist_n to_o io._n alasco_n p._n martyr_n these_o garment_n be_v per_fw-la se_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o themselves_o indifferent_a and_o do_v make_v no_o man_n either_o godly_a or_o ungodly_a loc_fw-la come_v fol._n 1085._o amico_fw-la cuidam_fw-la i_o do_v not_o hold_v the_o use_n of_o these_o garment_n to_o be_v pernicious_a or_o in_o their_o nature_n contrary_a to_o god_n word_n but_o do_v esteem_v this_o use_n of_o they_o omnino_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d altogether_o indifferent_a ib._n fol._n 1088_o hooper_n this_o difference_n of_o garment_n i_o think_v not_o fit_a to_o be_v use_v howbeit_o if_o other_o thing_n which_o be_v prescribe_v unto_o we_o from_o god_n word_n do_v remain_v entire_a i_o hold_v this_o use_n of_o these_o vesture_n neither_o impious_a neither_o pernicious_a per_fw-la se_fw-la aut_fw-la suâ_fw-la nature_n à _fw-la of_o themselves_o or_o in_o their_o nature_n ibid._n fol._n 1089._o hoopero_n 2._o i_o dare_v not_o condemn_v whosoever_o i_o shall_v see_v use_v these_o garment_n if_o i_o be_v so_o persuade_v i_o will_v never_o have_v communicate_v here_o in_o england_n with_o the_o church_n wherein_o such_o difference_n of_o garment_n be_v retain_v ib._n f._n 1486._o hoopero_n beza_n of_o surplesses_n they_o be_v not_o ex_fw-la earum_fw-la rerum_fw-la genere_fw-la of_o those_o kind_n of_o matter_n which_o be_v per_fw-la se_fw-la impiae_fw-la of_o themselves_o wicked_a epist_n 12._o fol._n 98._o some_o man_n will_v say_v they_o be_v indifferent_a thing_n i_o grant_v they_o very_o so_o to_o be_v be_v consider_v in_o themselves_o ibid._n fol._n 97._o cap_n and_o surplesses_n verè_fw-la media_fw-la &_o indifferentia_fw-la true_o indifferent_a ibid._n epist_n 8._o fol._n 78._o round_o wafer_n bread_n kneel_v at_o communion_n non_fw-la per_fw-la se_fw-la impia_fw-la ibid._n fol._n 77._o
fol._n 445._o object_n these_o ceremony_n be_v offensive_a and_o scandalous_a to_o the_o godly_a who_o be_v grieve_v and_o burden_v with_o they_o to_o the_o papist_n who_o rejoice_n in_o our_o practice_n and_o be_v confirm_v in_o their_o damnable_a will_n worship_n to_o the_o weak_a who_o stagger_v and_o can_v by_o no_o mean_n be_v persuade_v of_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o they_o and_o many_o have_v occasion_n hereby_o to_o separate_v and_o in_o a_o word_n general_o to_o all_o sort_n answ_n caluin_n 1._o touch_v holy-day_n and_o other_o ceremony_n it_o be_v a_o very_a hard_a condition_n to_o the_o godly_a brethren_n to_o subject_v themselves_o to_o those_o thing_n which_o they_o understand_v to_o be_v neither_o right_a nor_o profitable_a for_o my_o part_n i_o do_v judge_n that_o many_o defect_n be_v to_o be_v tolerate_v and_o bear_v with_o whereas_o they_o can_v be_v amend_v wherefore_o i_o do_v not_o think_v that_o any_o of_o the_o brethren_n shall_v for_o this_o cause_n proceed_v so_o 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paul_n we_o must_v not_o suffer_v this_o to_o be_v do_v but_o only_o in_o thing_n indifferent_a but_o that_o which_o be_v in_o itself_o evil_a and_o forbid_v of_o god_n we_o advise_v that_o it_o be_v not_o do_v for_o any_o man_n sake_n for_o the_o rule_n remain_v unremovable_a which_o grant_v to_o no_o man_n to_o commit_v evil_a that_o good_a may_v come_v thereof_o yea_o and_o neither_o may_v we_o always_o yield_v unto_o the_o weak_a in_o thing_n indifferent_a but_o only_o so_o far_o forth_o until_o they_o be_v teach_v better_a and_o more_o perfect_o but_o when_o they_o understand_v the_o matter_n and_o yet_o notwithstanding_o this_o do_v stick_v their_o weakness_n must_v not_o be_v nourish_v in_o they_o beside_o so_o much_o may_v not_o be_v yield_v to_o the_o weak_a as_o that_o we_o shall_v harm_v other_o and_o many_o mo_z of_o the_o member_n of_o christ_n by_o our_o example_n loc._n come_v clas_o 2._o cap._n 4._o §_o 32._o fol._n 201._o 2._o in_o that_o you_o write_v that_o very_o many_o will_v be_v offend_v with_o your_o wear_n the_o episcopal_a garment_n and_o holy_a garment_n as_o they_o call_v they_o i_o do_v easy_o believe_v it_o but_o you_o shall_v avoid_v the_o fault_n of_o scandal_n if_o you_o declare_v in_o your_o sermon_n that_o those_o garment_n also_o be_v displease_v unto_o you_o &_o withal_o do_v with_o all_o care_n endeavour_n that_o they_o may_v at_o last_o be_v abolish_v epist_n amic_n in_o angliam_fw-la fol._n 1128._o 3._o if_o occasion_n of_o err_a be_v give_v to_o the_o weak_a hereby_o let_v they_o be_v admonish_v that_o they_o persuade_v themselves_o these_o thing_n to_o be_v indifferent_a let_v they_o be_v teach_v by_o sermon_n that_o god_n worship_n be_v not_o place_v in_o those_o thing_n loc._n fol._n 1089._o epist._n hoopero_n 4_o to_o this_o objection_n that_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o beholder_n will_v be_v turn_v aside_o from_o think_v on_o serious_a matter_n he_o answer_v this_o it_o may_v be_v wilnot_v be_v judge_v to_o be_v true_a 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2._o the_o practice_n of_o the_o jewish_a ceremony_n by_o the_o apostle_n in_o a_o case_n of_o necessity_n such_o as_o deprivation_n of_o ministry_n be_v a_o sufficient_a ground_n to_o move_v we_o to_o conform_v to_o the_o ceremony_n prescribe_v in_o our_o church_n in_o a_o case_n of_o the_o like_a necessity_n peter_n martyr_n defend_v the_o lawful_a use_n vestium_fw-la ministrorum_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la anglicanae_n allege_v the_o apostle_n injunction_n of_o act._n 15._o 23._o of_o judaical_a ceremony_n quis_fw-la non_fw-la videt_fw-la apostolos_fw-la pro_fw-la pace_fw-la &_o convictu_fw-la credentium_fw-la faciliori_fw-la mandasse_fw-la gentibus_fw-la ut_fw-la a_o sanguine_a &_o praefocato_fw-la abstinerent_fw-la erant_fw-la haec_fw-la citra_fw-la controversiam_fw-la aharonica_n si_fw-la generaliter_fw-la omne_fw-la quae_fw-la in_o lege_fw-la fuerunt_fw-la complecti_fw-la volueris_fw-la loc._n come_v fol._n 1087._o inter_fw-la epist_n hoopero_n vrsinus_n speak_v de_fw-fr vitiosis_fw-la ceremonijs_fw-la falsis_fw-la opinionibus_fw-la cum_fw-la veritatis_fw-la insectationibus_fw-la say_v neque_fw-la verò_fw-la polluitur_fw-la rectè_fw-la sentiens_fw-la cum_fw-la utitur_fw-la ministerio_fw-la errantium_fw-la &_o ceremonias_fw-la etiam_fw-la humanas_fw-la seruat_fw-la si_fw-la modò_fw-la errores_fw-la disertè_fw-la &_o constant_a improbet_fw-la &_o neque_fw-la verbis_fw-la neque_fw-la factis_fw-la aliquis_fw-la palam_fw-la &_o per_fw-la se_fw-la impiam_fw-la &_o verbo_fw-la dei_fw-la repugnans_fw-la committat_fw-la &_o humanas_fw-la traditiones_fw-la pro_fw-la cultu_fw-la dei_fw-la se_fw-la non_fw-la habere_fw-la profiteatur_fw-la paulò_fw-la post_fw-la sic_fw-la paulus_n obseruatione_n ceremoniarum_fw-la accomodabat_fw-la se_fw-la infirmis_fw-la cum_fw-la aversarentur_fw-la eum_fw-la tanquam_fw-la hostem_fw-la legis_fw-la &_o moris_fw-la patrij_fw-la &_o in_fw-la hâcre_fw-la non_fw-la peccabat_fw-la and_o that_o we_o may_v not_o doubt_v but_o that_o he_o speak_v of_o ceremony_n as_o inconvenient_a as_o those_o of_o our_o church_n in_o their_o judgement_n he_o add_v present_o after_o that_o such_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o p._n martyr_n as_o also_o his_o practice_n who_o when_o he_o come_v first_o into_o england_n and_o the_o error_n of_o corporal_a presence_n be_v as_o yet_o in_o force_n do_v yet_o with_o profession_n of_o his_o opposite_a judgement_n receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n with_o they_o non_fw-la obstantibus_fw-la sibi_fw-la illorum_fw-la ceremonijs_fw-la licet_fw-la ipsimolestis_fw-la exercitat_fw-la part_n 2._o fol._n 838_o 839_o 840._o zanchius_n persuade_v the_o minister_n be_v compel_v by_o necessity_n of_o magistrate_n compulsion_n and_o threat_n to_o the_o practice_n of_o such_o ceremony_n which_o may_v be_v term_v stipula_fw-la &_o faenum_fw-la and_o give_v instance_n of_o the_o apostle_n practise_v of_o jewish_a ceremony_n as_o before_o be_v allege_v conclude_v thus_o ergo_fw-la multa_fw-la toleranda_fw-la sunt_fw-la ministris_fw-la ne_fw-la pax_fw-la scindatur_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la &_o ut_fw-la vitentur_fw-la schismata_fw-la modò_fw-la ne_fw-la tale_n sint_fw-la vel_fw-la res_fw-la vel_fw-la doctrinae_fw-la quae_fw-la pugnent_fw-la cum_fw-la fundamento_fw-la fundamentumque_fw-la convellant_n in_o philip._n cap._n 1._o fol._n 45._o polanus_fw-la in_o ezec._n cap._n 44._o fol._n