Selected quad for the lemma: cause_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
cause_n	call_v	church_n	see_v	1,558	5	3.3758	3	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85312	Of schism. Parochial congregations in England, and ordination by imposition of hands. Wherein Dr. Owen's discovery of the true nature of schism is briefly and friendly examined, together with Mr. Noyes of New England his arguments against imposition of hands in ordination. / By Giles Firmin, sometime of new England, now pastor of the Church at Shalford in Essex.	Firmin, Giles, 1614-1697.	1658 (1658)	Wing F958; Thomason E1819_1; ESTC R209761	90,499	170

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the_o accidental_a corruption_n of_o it_o 3._o between_o what_o come_v through_o rome_n be_v christ_n institution_n and_o what_o come_v from_o rome_n be_v their_o own_o invention_n these_o distinction_n will_v soon_o answer_v the_o objection_n 6._o 66._o to._n 2._o p._n 66._o learned_a aim_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o bellarmin_n urge_v this_o ecclesia_fw-la nullo_n modo_fw-la potest_fw-la esse_fw-la sine_fw-la pastoribus_fw-la &_o episcopis_fw-la illi_fw-la soli_fw-la sunt_fw-la very_fw-la episcopi_fw-la qui_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n per_fw-la legitimam_fw-la successionem_fw-la &_o ordinationem_fw-la descendisse_fw-la ostenduntur_fw-la etc._n etc._n speak_v thus_o ab_fw-la apostolis_n descenderunt_fw-la own_v illi_fw-la pastor_n qui_fw-la secundum_fw-la canon_n apostolicos_fw-la in_o scripture_n traditos_fw-la sunt_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la constituti_fw-la 4._o horum_fw-la perpetua_fw-la successio_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n &_o apostolicis_fw-la viris_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la necessariò_fw-la ostendenda_fw-la ex_fw-la historiarum_fw-la humanarum_fw-la incertis_fw-la testimoniis_fw-la sed_fw-la ex_fw-la promissione_n illa_fw-la christi_fw-la qua_fw-la spospondit_fw-fr se_fw-la per_fw-la omnes_fw-la aetates_fw-la excitaturum_fw-la operarios_fw-la ad_fw-la salutem_fw-la electorum_fw-la procurandam_fw-la 5._o ordinandi_fw-la potestas_fw-la quoad_fw-la jus_o cuique_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la particulari_fw-la est_fw-la a_o deo_fw-la concessa_fw-la now_o for_o his_o last_o 6._o pastor_n hunc_fw-la in_o modunt_fw-la descendentes_fw-la &_o justo_fw-la jure_fw-la ordinatos_fw-la habemus_fw-la nos_fw-la per_fw-la dei_fw-la gratiam_fw-la in_o omnibus_fw-la ecclesiis_fw-la ex_fw-la voto_fw-la nostro_fw-la constitutis_fw-la if_o any_o shall_v take_v hold_n of_o the_o last_o word_n and_o suppose_v the_o doctor_n mean_v gather_v church_n in_o which_o the_o people_n do_v ordain_v sure_o they_o wrong_v the_o doctor_n much_o i_o wonder_v how_o many_o such_o church_n there_o be_v when_o the_o doctor_n write_v neither_o have_v the_o doctor_n answer_v bellarmin_n who_o oppose_v all_o minister_n not_o ordain_v by_o the_o roman_a power_n but_o have_v fall_v off_o from_o rome_n then_o the_o doctor_n must_v own_v the_o ordination_n of_o the_o reform_a minister_n else_o he_o say_v nothing_o to_o the_o jesuit_n i_o wish_v this_o divine_a will_v answer_v bellarmin_n better_o doctor_n ames_n use_v to_o be_v esteem_v of_o among_o congregational_a man_n 7._o for_o rome_n be_v a_o true_a church_n it_o be_v well_o know_v that_o rome_n be_v more_o corrupt_a now_o in_o doctrine_n than_o it_o be_v when_o our_o first_o reformer_n fall_v off_o what_o difference_n there_o be_v between_o the_o former_a and_o latter_a schoolman_n who_o know_v not_o so_o that_o rome_n be_v not_o now_o what_o it_o be_v then_o when_o our_o man_n have_v their_o ordination_n from_o thence_o but_o may_v we_o not_o say_v as_o our_o brethren_n do_v of_o parish-congregation_n they_o will_v not_o deny_v the_o most_o understanding_n and_o sober_a of_o they_o but_o that_o in_o many_o parish_n there_o be_v true_a church_n though_o they_o will_v not_o say_v the_o whole_a parish_n be_v a_o true_a church_n according_a to_o the_o constitution_n so_o there_o be_v a_o true_a church_n under_o the_o romish_a jurisdiction_n though_o we_o do_v not_o say_v rome_n be_v a_o true_a church_n but_o what_o shall_v we_o say_v to_o such_o a_o people_n where_o the_o true_a god_n and_o the_o trinity_n with_o the_o attribute_n of_o god_n jesus_n christ_n in_o his_o divine_a and_o human_a nature_n the_o satisfaction_n and_o price_n of_o christ_n as_o the_o meritorious_a cause_n of_o our_o justification_n 5._o justification_n see_v bellar_n de_fw-fr justif_a l_o 1._o c._n 2._o &_o l._n 2._o c._n 5._o and_o pardon_n the_o scripture_n all_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o freegrace_n of_o god_n in_o opposition_n to_o man_n proud_a freewill_n o_fw-la excellent_a bradwardin_n and_o alvarez_n etc._n etc._n be_v own_v defend_v believe_v where_o there_o be_v person_n who_o walk_v according_a to_o scripture_n rule_v in_o a_o great_a degree_n what_o shall_v we_o say_v be_v here_o no_o church_n if_o our_o state_n have_v be_v right_o guide_v when_o they_o make_v the_o act_n to_o tolerate_v those_o who_o own_o one_o god_n christ_n and_o scripture_n than_o a_o church_n in_o rome_n may_v be_v own_v where_o these_o and_o many_o other_o truth_n be_v maintain_v more_o sound_o than_o they_o will_v be_v by_o many_o of_o our_o tolerate_a person_n yea_o it_o be_v well_o if_o all_o the_o member_n of_o congregat_v church_n in_o england_n be_v as_o sound_v in_o those_o truth_n before_o mention_v and_o as_o holy_a in_o their_o conversation_n as_o be_v divers_a who_o live_v under_o rome_n as_o for_o the_o pope_n be_v it_o no_o more_o but_o bare_a government_n compare_v with_o the_o carriage_n of_o many_o church-member_n i_o may_v say_v as_o learned_a mr._n norton_n of_o n._n england_n in_o his_o epistle_n to_o the_o general_n court_n be_v there_o no_o medium_n between_o boniface_n and_o morellius_n between_o papacy_n and_o anarchy_n babylon_n and_o babel_n etc._n etc._n both_o be_v naught_o the_o people_n anarchy_n as_o well_o as_o the_o pope_n tyranny_n and_o his_o tyranny_n will_v not_o soon_o deny_v a_o church_n there_o as_o to_o discipline_n then_o anarchy_n do_v in_o these_o member_n we_o see_v the_o effect_n how_o many_o man_n in_o england_n have_v turn_v papist_n since_o they_o see_v these_o carriage_n in_o the_o church_n but_o again_o what_o mean_v those_o text_n come_v out_o of_o she_o my_o people_n rev._n 18.4_o if_o there_o be_v no_o church_n there_o the_o woman_n fly_v into_o the_o wilderness_n rel._n 12.6_o take_v it_o as_o mr._n mead_n or_o as_o pareus_n yet_o it_o will_v argue_v a_o true_a church_n to_o have_v be_v under_o rome_n the_o witness_n prophesy_v 1260._o day_n during_o the_o time_n of_o the_o woman_n be_v in_o the_o wilderness_n they_o be_v to_o feed_v she_o this_o must_v needs_o fall_v under_o the_o time_n before_o the_o reformation_n begin_v it_o when_o you_o will_n more_o i_o can_v say_v but_o i_o think_v this_o be_v sufficient_a to_o prove_v that_o ordination_n may_v and_o ought_v still_o to_o be_v continue_v notwithstanding_o rome_n and_o that_o it_o be_v necessary_a to_o a_o minister_n and_o since_o both_o these_o objection_n be_v make_v against_o i_o by_o commissioner_n though_o i_o will_v hope_v more_o disputandi_fw-la gratiâ_fw-la then_o be_v indeed_o opposite_a to_o my_o thesis_n i_o say_v i_o will_v be_v glad_a to_o hope_v so_o and_o since_o this_o script_n may_v possible_o fall_v into_o some_o of_o their_o hand_n i_o wish_v humble_o and_o i_o know_v i_o can_v have_v hundred_o of_o godly_a minister_n to_o join_v with_o i_o they_o will_v please_v to_o take_v off_o that_o offence_n which_o i_o conceive_v be_v just_o give_v to_o the_o most_o part_n of_o the_o godly_a ministry_n in_o england_n when_o they_o see_v they_o 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church_n parallel_v to_o corinth_n in_o all_o thing_n because_o there_o be_v the_o form_n of_o that_o sin_n which_o be_v in_o corinth_n call_v schism_n then_o if_o canseless_a separation_n from_o a_o church_n be_v ecclesiastical_a union_n causeless_o dissolve_v there_o must_v needs_o by_o consequence_n be_v schism_n also_o for_o posita_fw-la forma_fw-la ponitur_fw-la formatum_fw-la 4._o the_o doctor_n tell_v we_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v not_o use_v in_o the_o scripture_n for_o secession_n or_o separation_n into_o party_n division_n it_o do_v signify_v but_o do_v the_o propriety_n of_o the_o word_n forbid_v it_o to_o signify_v division_n into_o party_n in_o a_o ecclesiastical_a sense_n it_o be_v use_v only_o in_o this_o particular_a example_n he_o say_v therefore_o it_o can_v signify_v no_o other_o i_o suppose_v the_o syriack_n translator_n be_v not_o of_o the_o doctor_n be_v mind_n for_o he_o use_v that_o word_n in_o the_o 11._o ch_z 18._o &_o 12._o ch_z 25._o which_o come_v from_o the_o same_o root_n with_o peleg_n gen._n 10.25_o whence_o peleg_n have_v his_o name_n the_o text_n tell_v we_o and_o i_o think_v there_o be_v division_n into_o many_o party_n the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o its_o primitive_a signification_n will_v carry_v a_o division_n into_o part_n matth._n 27.51_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i_o grant_v the_o septuagint_n see_v septuagint_n other_o greek_a version_n i_o have_v not_o to_o see_v do_v not_o use_v the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o 1_o kin._n 11.11_o 31._o yet_o why_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d may_v not_o be_v translate_v by_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o signify_v what_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d do_v i_o know_v not_o i_o conceive_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v of_o a_o large_a signification_n than_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o comprehend_v what_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d do_v this_o appear_v 1._o by_o the_o learned_a who_o as_o they_o render_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o findo_fw-mi scindo_fw-mi so_o they_o render_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d findere_fw-la scindere_fw-la qui_fw-la pannum_fw-la aut_fw-la aliquod_fw-la ejusmodi_fw-la continuum_fw-la dirumpit_fw-la etc._n etc._n buxt_v schind_a pagn_n merc._n hence_o as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v render_v scissura_fw-la so_o the_o 70._o in_o v._o 30_o &_o 31_o render_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d scissurae_fw-la so_o the_o vulgar_a render_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 31._o nor_o do_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d always_o signify_v the_o rend_n of_o a_o thing_n into_o part_n in_o opposition_n to_o the_o doctor_n be_v notion_n more_o then_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o among_o the_o physician_n a_o rapture_n in_o a_o membrane_n the_o rend_n of_o a_o muscle_n they_o call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d though_o the_o part_n be_v not_o separate_v from_o the_o body_n so_o gorraeus_n 2._o because_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v use_v and_o apply_v to_o such_o thing_n as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o new_a testament_n as_o to_o the_o rend_n of_o clothes_n here_o and_o in_o divers_a other_o text_n so_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d john_n 19.24_o matth._n 27.51_o luke_n 5.36_o john_n 21.11_o so_o that_o though_o the_o hebrew_n have_v two_o other_o word_n which_o the_o learned_a render_v scindere_fw-la findere_fw-la yet_o none_o i_o conceive_v answer_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o this_o do_v there_o may_v be_v something_o in_o this_o that_o the_o arabic_a in_o the_o 11._o v._o use_n that_o verb_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d whence_o the_o noun_n in_o 1_o cor._n 12.25_o come_v whence_o i_o think_v we_o may_v proper_o say_v there_o be_v a_o great_a schism_n in_o the_o church_n and_o commonwealth_n of_o israel_n and_o here_o be_v separation_n with_o a_o witness_n to_o search_v over_o other_o divine_n to_o see_v what_o they_o have_v say_v about_o schism_n i_o 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