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her_o communion_n and_o by_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n oblige_v they_o to_o do_v that_o which_o otherwise_o they_o be_v by_o divine_a law_n most_o strict_o oblige_v to_o perform_v and_o further_o if_o the_o separation_n be_v causeless_a the_o separatist_n from_o the_o external_a communion_n of_o the_o church_n do_v joint_o leave_v the_o church_n either_o by_o profess_v a_o different_a faith_n or_o deny_v obedience_n both_o to_o the_o church_n and_o to_o god_n who_o command_v we_o not_o to_o forsake_v the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n faith_n and_o obedience_n be_v those_o requisite_n which_o say_v you_o constitute_v a_o man_n a_o member_n of_o a_o church_n and_o so_o all_o be_v reduce_v to_o your_o memorandum_n a_o causeless_a separation_n from_o the_o external_a communion_n of_o any_o church_n be_v the_o sin_n of_o schism_n yourself_o say_v express_o pag_n 267._o n._n 38._o the_o cause_n in_o this_o matter_n of_o separation_n be_v all_o in_o all_o and_o why_o then_o will_v you_o 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yield_v sufficient_a cause_n to_o forsake_v her_o communion_n which_o be_v direct_o against_o all_o those_o who_o teach_v that_o the_o roman_a church_n do_v not_o err_v fundamental_o and_o yet_o that_o they_o have_v cause_n to_o forsake_v her_o communion_n by_o reason_n of_o her_o error_n we_o must_v therefore_o conclude_v that_o see_v there_o can_v be_v no_o just_a cause_n to_o depart_v from_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n and_o yet_o that_o there_o may_v be_v just_a cause_n to_o do_v so_o if_o she_o be_v subject_a to_o corruption_n or_o error_n we_o must_v absolute_o believe_v she_o to_o be_v infallible_a and_o that_o they_o who_o teach_v the_o contrary_a and_o upon_o that_o pretence_n forsake_v her_o communion_n be_v guilty_a of_o schism_n and_o heresy_n 24._o and_o this_o be_v a_o fit_a place_n to_o put_v you_o in_o mind_n of_o your_o doctrine_n that_o the_o apostle_n after_o the_o receive_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o the_o whole_a church_n with_o they_o err_v in_o a_o point_n clear_o reveal_v and_o command_v by_o our_o saviour_n christ_n about_o preach_v the_o gospel_n to_o gentiles_n for_o this_o false_a doctrine_n suppose_v i_o ask_v whether_o or_o no_o it_o have_v be_v necessary_a or_o lawful_a to_o leave_v the_o communion_n of_o that_o most_o primitive_a church_n if_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a then_o error_n even_o in_o faith_n afford_v not_o a_o just_a cause_n to_o forsake_v a_o church_n if_o you_o say_v it_o be_v lawful_a to_o forsake_v the_o apostle_n and_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o their_o time_n you_o blaspheme_v and_o yet_o if_o the_o apostle_n and_o the_o whole_a primitive_a church_n do_v err_v they_o that_o be_v all_o christian_n might_n and_o ought_v to_o have_v be_v forsake_v and_o therefore_o if_o it_o be_v but_o to_o avoid_v this_o gross_a absurdity_n we_o must_v say_v that_o neither_o the_o church_n of_o that_o nor_o of_o consequent_a age_n can_v err_v 25._o thus_o much_o be_v say_v in_o the_o first_o way_n that_o consider_v thing_n as_o they_o be_v in_o themselves_o the_o church_n may_v be_v forsake_v if_o she_o can_v err_v and_o therefore_o because_o it_o be_v most_o certain_a that_o she_o can_v never_o be_v forsake_v we_o must_v firm_o believe_v that_o she_o can_v err_v though_o indeed_o i_o must_v add_v that_o if_o she_o can_v err_v she_o may_v and_o may_v not_o be_v forsake_v it_o be_v no_o strange_a thing_n that_o upon_o a_o false_a supposition_n contradictorye_n may_v follow_v whereof_o more_o hereafter_o 25._o now_o let_v we_o see_v what_o may_v be_v say_v in_o the_o second_o way_n or_o consideration_n that_o be_v in_o order_n to_o protestant_n and_o their_o ground_n or_o ad_fw-la hominem_fw-la though_o i_o must_v confess_v this_o to_o be_v a_o nice_a and_o difficult_a undertake_v by_o reason_n of_o their_o inconstancy_n say_v and_o unsay_n as_o they_o be_v force_v by_o different_a or_o contrary_a occasion_n which_o make_v they_o do_v as_o they_o can_v not_o what_o they_o shall_v and_o never_o hold_v constant_o what_o they_o ought_v 27._o first_o then_o we_o suppose_v that_o the_o church_n out_o of_o which_o luther_n depart_v be_v a_o true_a church_n for_o substance_n whether_o it_o be_v the_o roman_a or_o any_o other_o church_n otherwise_o we_o must_v say_v that_o christ_n have_v no_o true_a church_n on_o earth_n which_o you_o potter_n and_o all_o chief_a protestant_n deny_v and_o express_o teach_v that_o always_o there_o have_v be_v be_v and_o ever_o shall_v be_v such_o a_o church_n as_o we_o have_v see_v above_o in_o so_o much_o as_o d._n lawd_n pag_n 141._o say_v all_o divine_v ancient_a and_o modern_a romanist_n and_o reformer_n agree_v in_o this_o that_o the_o whole_a militant_a church_n of_o christ_n can_v fall_v away_o into_o general_a apostasy_n and_o pag_n 142._o he_o say_v that_o otherwise_o falsehood_n in_o the_o very_a article_n of_o the_o creed_n that_o the_o church_n be_v holy_a may_v be_v the_o subject_n of_o the_o catholic_a faith_n which_o be_v no_o less_o than_o blasphemy_n to_o affirm_v 28._o second_o hence_o it_o follow_v that_o she_o do_v not_o err_v in_o any_o fundamental_a point_n every_o one_o whereof_o utter_o destroy_v the_o church_n but_o that_o her_o false_o suppose_a error_n be_v only_o in_o point_n not_o fundamental_a or_o not_o absolute_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n 29._o three_o that_o if_o such_o error_n in_o point_n not_o fundamental_a do_v not_o exclude_v salvation_n man_n may_v be_v save_v without_o profession_n of_o the_o contrary_a truth_n it_o be_v impossible_a that_o one_o believe_v a_o error_n and_o also_o the_o truth_n contrary_a to_o that_o error_n and_o therefore_o if_o the_o error_n be_v not_o destructive_a of_o salvation_n it_o be_v impossible_a that_o the_o contrary_a truth_n be_v necessary_a thereto_o 30._o four_o if_o therefore_o we_o can_v show_v that_o according_a to_o protestant_n error_n in_o point_n not_o fundamental_a destroy_v not_o salvation_n it_o will_v follow_v of_o itself_o that_o in_o their_o ground_n they_o may_v and_o aught_o to_o have_v remain_v in_o the_o external_a communion_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n notwithstanding_o such_o error_n since_o by_o so_o do_v they_o have_v want_v nothing_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n nor_o do_v any_o thing_n incompatible_a therewith_o for_o which_o we_o take_v your_o own_o word_n pag_n 272._o n._n 53._o it_o concern_v every_o man_n who_o separate_v from_o any_o church_n communion_n even_o as_o much_o as_o his_o salvation_n be_v worth_a to_o look_v most_o careful_o to_o it_o that_o the_o cause_n of_o his_o separation_n be_v just_a and_o necessary_a for_o unless_o it_o be_v necessary_a it_o can_v very_o hardly_o be_v sufficient_a and_o say_v i_o how_o can_v it_o be_v necessary_a if_o one_o may_v be_v save_v without_o it_o let_v we_o now_o see_v what_o protestant_n hold_v in_o this_o matter_n 31._o i_o grant_v that_o sometime_o in_o word_n they_o will_v seem_v to_o teach_v that_o it_o be_v necessary_a to_o believe_v whatsoever_o be_v reveal_v by_o god_n if_o it_o be_v sufficient_o propose_v but_o if_o we_o respect_v their_o deed_n and_o consider_v other_o ground_n of_o their_o doctrine_n it_o will_v appear_v that_o they_o must_v hold_v the_o contrary_a and_o that_o in_o express_a word_n they_o sometime_o actual_o declare_v so_o much_o neither_o ought_v this_o to_o seem_v any_o strange_a thing_n since_o heretic_n must_v say_v and_o unsay_v to_o help_v a_o bad_a cause_n as_o well_o as_o their_o wit_n will_v serve_v they_o in_o which_o respect_n i_o can_v never_o much_o approve_v the_o great_a pain_n which_o some_o catholic_a divine_v employ_v to_o prove_v that_o heretic_n hold_v this_o or_o that_o because_o sometime_o they_o deliver_v expression_n contrary_a to_o that_o of_o which_o it_o be_v dispute_v whether_o or_o no_o it_o be_v their_o opinion_n for_o all_o that_o can_v be_v infer_v from_o such_o their_o different_a say_n be_v not_o that_o they_o hold_v determinate_o this_o and_o not_o that_o but_o only_o that_o indeed_o they_o contradict_v and_o by_o god_n just_a judgement_n destroy_v themselves_o 32._o well_o then_o that_o it_o be_v necessary_a to_o believe_v whatsoever_o be_v reveal_v by_o god_n and_o sufficient_o propound_v potter_n pag_n 245._o affirm_v in_o these_o word_n it_o seem_v fundamental_a to_o the_o faith_n and_o for_o the_o salvation_n of_o every_o member_n of_o the_o church_n that_o he_o acknowledge_v and_o believe_v all_o such_o point_n of_o faith_n as_o whereof_o he_o may_v be_v sufficient_o convince_v that_o they_o belong_v to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o jesus_n christ_n for_o he_o that_o be_v sufficient_o convince_v do_v oppose_v be_v obstinate_a a_o heretic_n and_o final_o such_o a_o one_o as_o exclude_v himself_o out_o of_o heaven_n wherinto_o no_o wilful_a sinner_n can_v enter_v and_o pag_n 250._o it_o be_v fundamental_a to_o a_o christian_n faith_n and_o necessary_a for_o his_o salvation_n that_o he_o believe_v all_o reveal_v truth_n of_o god_n whereof_o he_o may_v be_v convince_v that_o they_o be_v from_o god_n and_o herupon_o chillingworth_n pag_n 11._o speak_v to_o charity_n maintain_v in_o this_o manner_n it_o amaze_v i_o to_o hear_v you_o say_v that_o he_o dr._n potter_n decline_v this_o question_n and_o never_o tell_v you_o whether_o or_o no_o there_o be_v any_o other_o point_n of_o faith_n which_o be_v sufficient_o propound_v as_o divine_a revelation_n may_v be_v deny_v and_o disbelieved_a he_o tell_v you_o plain_o there_o be_v none_o such_o again_o it_o be_v almost_o as_o strange_a to_o i_o why_o you_o shall_v say_v this_o be_v the_o only_a thing_n in_o question_n whether_o a_o man_n may_v deny_v or_o disbelieve_v any_o point_n of_o faith_n sufficient_o present_v to_o his_o understanding_n as_o a_o truth_n reveal_v by_o god_n produce_v any_o one_o protestant_a that_o ever_o do_v so_o and_o i_o will_v give_v you_o leave_v to_o say_v it_o
external_a communion_n in_o sacrament_n liturgy_n etc._n etc._n upon_o pretence_n of_o error_n in_o the_o faith_n and_o corruption_n in_o the_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n and_o be_v so_o far_o from_o repent_v themselves_o of_o such_o their_o proceed_n or_o admit_v any_o votum_fw-la or_o desire_n to_o be_v unite_v with_o the_o church_n that_o they_o hold_v all_o such_o repentance_n to_o be_v a_o sin_n whereby_o they_o certain_o exclude_v themselves_o from_o god_n grace_n and_o charity_n and_o so_o it_o appear_v that_o by_o mere_a excommunication_n one_o be_v not_o separate_v from_o the_o church_n as_o a_o schismatic_n be_v nor_o be_v a_o schismatic_n first_o separate_v because_o he_o be_v excommunicate_v but_o be_v excommunicate_v because_o he_o be_v a_o schismatic_n and_o have_v be_v divide_v from_o the_o church_n though_o he_o have_v never_o be_v excommunicate_v or_o though_o the_o excommunication_n be_v take_v away_o beside_o as_o i_o touch_v already_o it_o be_v ridiculous_a to_o say_v that_o the_o church_n require_v as_o a_o condition_n of_o her_o communion_n the_o profession_n of_o her_o error_n in_o faith_n and_o external_a communion_n in_o sacrament_n liturgy_n and_o other_o public_a worship_n of_o god_n for_o profession_n of_o the_o same_o faith_n and_o communion_n in_o sacrament_n etc._n etc._n be_v the_o very_a thing_n wherein_o communion_n consist_v or_o rather_o be_v the_o communion_n itself_o and_o therefore_o be_v not_o a_o extrinsecall_n or_o accidental_a condition_n voluntary_o require_v by_o the_o church_n or_o to_o be_v conceive_v as_o a_o thing_n separable_a from_o her_o communion_n and_o so_o you_o speak_v as_o if_o one_o shall_v say_v profession_n of_o the_o same_o faith_n be_v a_o condition_n require_v for_o communion_n in_o profession_n of_o the_o same_o faith_n it_o be_v therefore_o no_o condition_n require_v by_o we_o that_o make_v protestant_n leave_v our_o communion_n but_o they_o first_o leave_v our_o communion_n by_o their_o voluntary_a proper_a act_n of_o leave_v we_o which_o essential_o be_v incompatible_a with_o our_o communion_n this_o whole_a matter_n will_v appear_v more_o clear_o by_o the_o next_o reason_n 95._o four_o either_o there_o be_v just_a cause_n for_o your_o separation_n from_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n or_o there_o be_v not_o if_o not_o then_o by_o your_o own_o confession_n you_o be_v schismatic_o see_v you_o define_v schism_n to_o be_v a_o causeless_a separation_n in_o which_o case_n the_o church_n may_v just_o impose_v under_o pain_n of_o excommunication_n a_o necessity_n of_o your_o return_n and_o then_o your_o memorandum_n can_v have_v place_n nor_o can_v excuse_v you_o from_o schism_n since_o such_o a_o impose_v a_o necessity_n will_v upon_o that_o supposition_n be_v both_o lawful_a and_o necessary_a if_o there_o be_v just_a cause_n for_o your_o separation_n than_o you_o have_v be_v excuse_v from_o schism_n though_o the_o church_n have_v never_o impose_v under_o pain_n of_o excommunication_n a_o necessity_n of_o profess_v know_v error_n because_o you_o say_v schism_n be_v a_o causeless_o separation_n and_o sure_o that_o separation_n be_v not_o causeless_a for_o which_o there_o be_v just_a cause_n wherefore_o your_o memorandum_n about_o impose_v upon_o man_n a_o necessity_n &c_n &c_n be_v both_o impertinent_a and_o incoherent_a with_o your_o first_o memordium_n that_o not_o every_o separation_n but_o a_o causeless_a separation_n be_v the_o sin_n of_o schism_n and_o yet_o p._n 282._o n._n 71._o you_o say_v express_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o the_o chief_a part_n of_o our_o defence_n that_o you_o deny_v your_o communion_n to_o all_o that_o deny_v or_o doubt_v of_o any_o part_n of_o your_o doctrine_n can_v with_o any_o colour_n be_v employ_v against_o protestant_n who_o grant_v their_o communion_n to_o all_o who_o hold_v with_o they_o not_o all_o thing_n but_o thing_n necessary_a that_o be_v such_o as_o be_v in_o scripture_n plain_o deliver_v so_o still_o you_o utter_a contradiction_n wherefore_o the_o confess_v chief_a part_n of_o your_o defence_n be_v confute_v both_o by_o evident_a reason_n and_o out_o of_o your_o own_o say_n it_o remain_v that_o you_o will_v never_o be_v able_a to_o acquit_v yourself_o of_o schism_n 66._o five_o how_o can_v you_o maintain_v this_o your_o memorandum_n and_o not_o give_v full_a scope_n to_o all_o other_o protestant_n who_o believe_v not_o all_o the_o 39_o article_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n to_o be_v true_a of_o who_o i_o be_o sure_a you_o be_v one_o to_o forsake_v her_o communion_n see_v she_o excommunicate_v all_o whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o the_o 39_o article_n be_v in_o any_o part_n superstitious_a or_o erroneous_a be_v not_o this_o the_o very_a thing_n which_o you_o say_v be_v the_o chief_a part_n of_o your_o defence_n for_o your_o separation_n from_o we_o o_o approbator_n be_v it_o conform_v to_o the_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n to_o say_v her_o communion_n may_v and_o must_v be_v forsake_v and_o with_o what_o conscience_n can_v you_o mr._n chillingworth_n communicate_v with_o english_a and_o other_o protestant_n in_o their_o public_a service_n corrupt_v with_o error_n about_o the_o trinity_n the_o creed_n of_o s._n athan_n &c_n &c_n as_o you_o believe_v it_o be_v or_o why_o can_v you_o not_o communicate_v with_o we_o or_o how_o will_v you_o excuse_v luther_n who_o leave_v we_o 67._o yet_o i_o must_v not_o here_o omit_v to_o observe_v some_o point_n first_n what_o a_o thing_n your_o religion_n be_v which_o can_v so_o well_o agree_v and_o hold_v communion_n with_o innumerable_a sect_n infinite_o differ_v one_o from_o another_o and_o yet_o you_o conceive_v yourself_o to_o be_v oblige_v to_o part_n from_o we_o catholics_n but_o so_o it_o be_v the_o false_a god_n of_o the_o heathen_n and_o their_o idolater_n can_v handsome_o agree_v among_o themselves_o but_o in_o no_o wise_a with_o the_o true_a god_n and_o his_o 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therefore_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o habitual_a sin_n or_o sin_n remain_v habitual_o consist_v not_o in_o any_o real_a physical_a habit_n or_o quality_n and_o consequent_o habitual_a sin_n may_v remain_v though_o the_o vicious_a habit_n either_o be_v destroy_v or_o never_o exist_v which_o show_v that_o your_o repentance_n by_o root_a out_o all_o vicious_a habit_n be_v impertinent_a to_o true_a repentance_n and_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n 12._o the_o second_o kind_n of_o habit_n which_o belong_v to_o our_o present_a purpose_n be_v real_a physical_a and_o natural_a quality_n or_o habit_n of_o virtue_n orvice_n produce_v by_o virtuous_a or_o vicious_a act_n which_o act_n be_v immediate_o voluntary_a and_o produce_v by_o our_o freewill_n be_v in_o themselves_o good_a or_o bad_a vicious_a or_o virtuous_a deserve_v praise_n or_o dispraise_n reward_n or_o punishment_n but_o good_a or_o bad_a habit_n be_v not_o voluntary_a in_o themselves_o but_o only_o in_o their_o cause_n for_o as_o much_o as_o they_o be_v produce_v by_o voluntary_a free_a act_n which_o produce_v habit_n no_o less_o necessary_o than_o fire_n produce_v heat_n in_o a_o matter_n capable_a and_o approximate_v nor_o be_v it_o in_o the_o power_n of_o man_n to_o exercise_v act_n good_a or_o bad_a and_o forbid_v or_o hinder_v they_o from_o produce_v virtuous_a or_o vicious_a habit_n when_o therefore_o a_o sinful_a act_n be_v once_o effectual_o retract_v by_o true_a repentance_n the_o habit_n which_o proceed_v from_o it_o and_o be_v voluntary_a only_o in_o its_o cause_n or_o sinful_a action_n remain_v now_o no_o more_o voluntary_a to_o that_o repentant_a sinner_n but_o retain_v mere_o it_o as_o i_o may_v say_v innocent_a real_a nature_n and_o entity_n be_v in_o itself_o a_o dead_a quality_n and_o no_o more_o a_o sin_n to_o such_o a_o one_o than_o sickness_n or_o death_n be_v to_o adam_n after_o his_o fall_n and_o repentance_n that_o be_v effect_n of_o sin_n not_o sin_n they_o may_v perhaps_o facilitate_v and_o incline_v to_o act_n which_o may_v prove_v sinful_a yet_o that_o facilitation_n and_o provocation_n be_v not_o voluntary_a but_o pure_o natural_a be_v of_o itself_o no_o sin_n at_o all_o as_o the_o natural_a inclination_n which_o man_n have_v to_o certain_a object_n may_v be_v occasion_n of_o sinful_a act_n if_o the_o will_v give_v free_a consent_n yet_o be_v not_o of_o itself_o any_o sin_n nor_o voluntary_a unto_o we_o but_o natural_a and_o may_v be_v occasion_n of_o great_a merit_n if_o bad_a motion_n proceed_v from_o it_o be_v resist_v by_o our_o will_n assist_v by_o god_n grace_n and_o you_o may_v as_o well_o say_v that_o repentance_n require_v the_o destruction_n of_o our_o nature_n i_o mean_v that_o natural_a inclination_n which_o divine_v call_v foam_v peccati_fw-la from_o which_o sinful_a act_n may_v proceed_v and_o which_o in_o adam_n proceed_v from_o his_o actual_a sin_n which_o deprive_v he_o of_o original_a justice_n as_o you_o require_v the_o abolition_n of_o all_o habit_n incline_v to_o sin_n and_o produce_v by_o sinful_a act_n which_o be_v retract_v by_o repentance_n the_o habit_n or_o effect_n of_o they_o can_v retain_v no_o relish_n or_o relation_n to_o they_o as_o they_o be_v voluntary_a free_a and_o sinful_a for_o which_o cause_n such_o habit_n have_v now_o nothing_o to_o do_v with_o any_o sin_n either_o actual_a or_o habitual_a and_o therefore_o it_o be_v impossible_a that_o they_o can_v have_v any_o least_o repugnance_n with_o justify_v grace_n sanctity_n charity_n and_o love_n of_o god_n and_o consequent_o true_a repentance_n can_v require_v their_o destruction_n see_v their_o existence_n be_v compatible_a with_o grace_n and_o sanctity_n beside_o if_o the_o act_n by_o which_o one_o vicious_a habit_n be_v destroy_v do_v not_o of_o themselves_o destroy_v any_o degree_n of_o some_o other_o vicious_a habit_n with_o which_o those_o act_n have_v no_o connexion_n much_o less_o can_v justify_v grace_n be_v incompatible_a with_o any_o natural_a acquire_v habit_n of_o vice_n these_o be_v of_o a_o inferior_a nature_n and_o order_n to_o that_o and_o therefore_o habitual_a sin_n with_o which_o grace_n and_o sanctity_n can_v stand_v consist_v not_o in_o such_o natural_a acquire_v ill_a habit_n neither_o can_v the_o extirpation_n of_o they_o be_v necessary_a to_o true_a repentance_n which_o may_v take_v away_o the_o sin_n though_o those_o habit_n remain_v morover_n the_o act_n whereby_o some_o vicious_a habit_n be_v acquire_v may_v destroy_v some_o contrary_a vicious_a habit_n as_o for_o example_n act_n of_o prodigality_n tend_v to_o the_o destruction_n of_o the_o habit_n of_o avarice_n and_o the_o same_o may_v be_v say_v of_o all_o other_o vice_n which_o be_v extreme_n in_o order_n to_o the_o mean_a of_o virtue_n but_o it_o be_v absurd_a and_o impious_a to_o say_v or_o imagine_v that_o habitual_a sin_n can_v be_v forgive_v by_o any_o sinful_a act_n since_o no_o habitual_a sin_n can_v be_v take_v away_o without_o repentance_n which_o be_v a_o special_a supernatural_a gift_n of_o god_n can_v be_v a_o sin_n therefore_o we_o must_v affirm_v that_o real_a quality_n which_o we_o call_v habit_n be_v not_o habitual_a sin_n otherwise_o sin_n may_v be_v pardon_v by_o sin_n which_o be_v further_o confirm_v by_o consider_v that_o vicious_a habit_n may_v be_v expel_v immediate_o and_o formal_o by_o natural_a habit_n and_o mediate_v by_o act_n whereby_o the_o habit_n of_o such_o virtue_n be_v produce_v for_o example_n the_o habit_n of_o injustice_n by_o the_o contrary_a habit_n of_o justice_n and_o so_o other_o vice_n by_o their_o contrary_a virtue_n habit_n and_o acts._n and_o therefore_o if_o habitual_a sin_n consist_v in_o real_a quality_n or_o habit_n of_o vice_n sin_n shall_v be_v forgive_v formal_o by_o a_o form_n or_o quality_n or_o habit_n acquire_v by_o act_n produce_v by_o force_n of_o nature_n which_o be_v but_o natural_a yet_o shall_v be_v ultima_fw-la dispositio_fw-la
to_o supernatural_a infuse_v justify_v grace_n which_o be_v both_o absurd_a and_o the_o wicked_a heresy_n of_o pelagius_n last_o it_o be_v a_o certain_a truth_n that_o whosoever_o depart_v this_o life_n in_o any_o one_o deadly_a sin_n unrepented_a can_v be_v save_v and_o it_o be_v also_o true_a that_o some_o habitual_a sin_n may_v consist_v with_o some_o natural_a precedent_a habit_n of_o virtue_n which_o be_v not_o expel_v by_o every_o deadly_a sin_n see_v such_o a_o deadly_a sin_n may_v be_v commit_v in_o some_o matter_n which_o have_v no_o connexion_n at_o all_o with_o the_o object_n of_o those_o natural_a habit_n of_o virtue_n and_o therefore_o such_o a_o sin_n shall_v not_o expel_v such_o habit_n of_o moral_a virtue_n as_o de_fw-fr facto_fw-la it_o do_v not_o expel_v even_o the_o supernatural_a habit_n of_o the_o theological_a virtue_n faith_n and_o hope_n and_o if_o habitual_a sin_n may_v stand_v with_o natural_a yea_o and_o with_o some_o supernatural_a virtue_n what_o reason_n can_v be_v imagine_v but_o that_o habitual_a grace_n and_o sanctity_n may_v consist_v with_o the_o simple_a entity_n or_o nature_n of_o vicious_a habit_n be_v clear_v by_o repentance_n from_o all_o former_a relation_n of_o be_v effect_n of_o sinful_a act_n by_o which_o they_o be_v produce_v and_o consequent_o true_a repentance_n which_o be_v a_o disposition_n to_o the_o infusion_n of_o grace_n may_v consist_v without_o the_o extirpation_n of_o the_o habit_n see_v grace_n itself_o may_v stand_v with_o they_o 13._o the_o three_o kind_n of_o habit_n i_o call_v infuse_v habit_n of_o the_o three_o theological_a virtue_n faith_n hope_n and_o charity_n which_o have_v for_o their_o immediate_a object_n god_n himself_o who_o be_v our_o last_o end_n and_o infuse_v habit_n of_o moral_a virtue_n which_o respect_n or_o have_v for_o their_o object_n the_o mean_n which_o bring_v we_o to_o that_o end_n now_o for_o the_o production_n or_o in_o fusion_n of_o supernatural_a habit_n we_o may_v dispose_v ourselves_o by_o voluntary_a supernatural_a act_n produce_v by_o the_o particular_a assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n but_o the_o habit_n themselves_o be_v produce_v and_o infuse_v into_o our_o soul_n immediate_o and_o only_o by_o god_n and_o not_o physical_o and_o real_o produce_v by_o any_o even_o supernatural_a act_n of_o we_o as_o natural_a habit_n be_v acquire_v and_o produce_v by_o our_o natural_a acts._n and_o as_o our_o soul_n which_o be_v a_o spirit_n and_o the_o life_n of_o our_o body_n be_v create_v by_o god_n alone_o so_o no_o wonder_n if_o justify_v grace_n which_o be_v the_o spiritual_a life_n and_o soul_n of_o our_o soul_n be_v infuse_v by_o god_n not_o produce_v by_o us._n this_o difference_n arise_v from_o the_o diversity_n of_o nature_n between_o natural_a and_o supernatural_a or_o infuse_v habit_n natural_a habit_n do_v presuppose_v a_o power_n or_o ability_n to_o produce_v certain_a act_n and_o habit_n be_v superadjoyn_v to_o the_o same_o power_n for_o produce_v those_o act_n with_o great_a promptitude_n and_o facility_n but_o supernatural_a habit_n not_o find_v in_o our_o soul_n a_o power_n to_o produce_v of_o itself_o supernatural_a act_n for_o how_o can_v they_o be_v supernatural_a if_o they_o can_v be_v produce_v by_o natural_a force_n give_v we_o such_o power_n and_o ability_n and_o therefore_o in_o rigour_n of_o speech_n shall_v rather_o be_v call_v potentiae_fw-la than_o habitus_n power_n than_o habit_n for_o which_o cause_n i_o say_v three_o sort_n of_o habit_n or_o as_o it_o be_v habit_n aught_o to_o be_v distinguish_v in_o this_o question_n for._n habitual_a sin_n be_v as_o i_o may_v say_v less_o than_o a_o habit_n be_v no_o real_a or_o physical_a quality_n the_o infufed_a habit_n be_v more_o than_o mere_a habit_n they_o be_v power_n as_o i_o have_v declare_v natural_a or_o acquire_v habit_n be_v real_a quality_n on_o the_o one_o side_n and_o on_o the_o other_o presuppose_v in_o we_o a_o power_n to_o work_v without_o they_o be_v real_o proper_o and_o pure_o habit_n it_o be_v therefore_o easy_a to_o understand_v the_o reason_n why_o our_o act_n can_v produce_v supernatural_a habit_n which_o give_v we_o power_n to_o produce_v such_o act_n it_o be_v a_o clear_a case_n that_o no_o effect_n can_v produce_v that_o which_o of_o its_o nature_n be_v the_o very_a power_n to_o produce_v or_o the_o efficient_a cause_n in_o respect_n of_o such_o effect_n which_o cause_n must_v be_v presuppose_v existent_n and_o in_o be_v before_o it_o can_v produce_v such_o a_o effect_n otherwise_o there_o will_v be_v a_o mutual_a causality_n and_o dependence_n between_o the_o first_o production_n of_o the_o cause_n efficient_a and_o the_o effect_n thereof_o the_o cause_n will_v be_v the_o effect_n of_o its_o own_o effect_n and_o the_o effect_n will_v be_v the_o cause_n of_o its_o cause_n as_o if_o the_o father_n shall_v be_v son_n to_o his_o son_n and_o the_o son_n father_n to_o his_o own_o father_n 14._o from_o this_o ground_n that_o supernatural_a habit_n be_v power_n without_o which_o our_o soul_n be_v not_o only_o weak_a or_o infirm_a but_o absolute_o unable_a to_o produce_v any_o supernatural_a act_n and_o therefore_o can_v be_v acquire_v or_o produce_v by_o any_o act_n of_o we_o there_o follow_v another_o difference_n that_o natural_a acquire_v habit_n yield_v as_o it_o be_v a_o sensible_a facility_n demonstration_n experience_n and_o feel_v of_o themselves_o by_o remove_v impediment_n dispose_v the_o organ_n of_o our_o body_n and_o other_o such_o way_n but_o those_o other_o habit_n give_v we_o the_o first_o ability_n and_o power_n and_o be_v in_o their_o nature_n essential_o supernatural_a be_v not_o discernible_a by_o sensible_a experience_n but_o may_v well_o consist_v with_o vicious_a habit_n and_o with_o the_o facility_n or_o inclination_n which_o they_o afford_v towards_o their_o several_a object_n as_o it_o happen_v not_o seldom_o that_o a_o man_n who_o in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n be_v more_o holy_a by_o supernatural_a grace_n be_v carry_v with_o a_o more_o vehement_a inclination_n or_o impulsion_n to_o sinful_a object_n either_o by_o his_o natural_a complexion_n or_o vicious_a habit_n acquire_v before_o his_o conversion_n than_o another_o make_v of_o a_o different_a constitution_n of_o body_n or_o clog_v with_o few_o vicious_a habit_n which_o great_a propension_n to_o sin_n be_v so_o far_o from_o be_v any_o sin_n of_o itself_o that_o it_o give_v continual_a matter_n of_o great_a merit_n by_o frequent_a combat_n and_o victory_n 15._o and_o here_o i_o will_v ask_v whether_o if_o you_o hold_v the_o habit_n of_o vice_n to_o be_v habitual_a sin_n even_o after_o a_o act_n of_o contrition_n or_o sorrow_n with_o a_o firm_a purpose_n to_o amend_v you_o must_v not_o likewise_o believe_v natural_a acquire_v habit_n of_o virtue_n to_o be_v justice_n and_o sanctity_n in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n and_o yet_o this_o be_v direct_a pelagianism_n evacuate_v the_o fruit_n of_o our_o saviour_n satisfaction_n and_o merit_n and_o be_v in_o itself_o manifest_o untrue_a for_o the_o end_n to_o which_o god_n have_v elevate_v and_o ordain_v man_n be_v supernatural_a the_o beatifical_a uision_n or_o enjoy_v god_n in_o his_o glory_n the_o mean_n which_o bring_v we_o to_o that_o end_n must_v also_o be_v supernatural_a and_o not_o to_o be_v compass_v by_o our_o natural_a force_n and_o therefore_o natural_a habit_n of_o virtue_n acquire_v by_o our_o own_o act_n can_v be_v true_a sanctity_n and_o justice_n which_o make_v we_o capable_a of_o the_o beatifical_a uision_n nor_o can_v that_o repentance_n which_o dispose_v we_o for_o heaven_n consist_v in_o the_o extirpation_n of_o vicious_a habit_n in_o which_o habitual_a sin_n do_v not_o consist_v as_o sanctity_n do_v not_o consist_v in_o natural_a habit_n of_o virtue_n neither_o may_v it_o seem_v strange_a that_o you_o shall_v believe_v sanctity_n to_o consist_v in_o the_o acquire_v habit_n of_o virtue_n who_o hold_v christian_a faith_n to_o be_v no_o more_o than_o a_o probable_a assent_n or_o conclusion_n deduce_v by_o natural_a reason_n from_o premise_n evident_o apt_a to_o infer_v such_o a_o conclusion_n as_o also_o who_o speak_v of_o charity_n say_v pag_n 368._o n._n 49._o it_o be_v against_o reason_n and_o experience_n that_o by_o the_o commission_n of_o any_o deadly_a sin_n the_o habit_n of_o charity_n be_v quite_o extirpated_a by_o which_o you_o give_v to_o understand_v that_o you_o believe_v the_o habit_n of_o charity_n to_o be_v produce_v by_o our_o act_n and_o to_o be_v destroy_v by_o little_a and_o little_a as_o it_o happen_v in_o natural_a acquire_v habit_n and_o that_o the_o presence_n of_o it_o may_v be_v discover_v by_o experience_n which_o agree_v only_o to_o natural_a habit_n work_v in_o we_o by_o a_o kind_n of_o experimental_a way_n whereas_o if_o you_o do_v believe_v the_o habit_n of_o charity_n to_o be_v supernatural_a in_o essence_n not_o
esse_fw-la novit_fw-la uerum_fw-la est_fw-la enim_fw-la quod_fw-la illa_fw-la falsa_fw-la sint_fw-la no_o man_n can_v be_v say_v to_o know_v false_a thing_n except_o by_o know_v they_o be_v false_a &c_n &c_n but_o a_o error_n be_v sinful_a because_o he_o give_v a_o culpable_a cause_n thereof_o either_o by_o not_o vise_v diligence_n to_o find_v the_o truth_n in_o a_o matter_n of_o high_a moment_n which_o be_v that_o unum_fw-la necessarium_fw-la that_o one_o necessary_a thing_n of_o which_o our_o saviour_n speak_v and_o to_o which_o all_o other_o thing_n be_v to_o be_v refer_v and_o therefore_o require_v our_o chief_a and_o utmost_a endeavour_n and_o all_o that_o may_v any_o way_n put_v it_o in_o hazard_n ought_v instant_o to_o strike_v we_o with_o a_o most_o deep_o fright_v and_o move_v we_o to_o fly_v from_o it_o tanquam_fw-la a_o fancy_n colubri_fw-la as_o from_o the_o face_n of_o a_o serpent_n oâ—_n by_o reason_n of_o pride_n confidence_n in_o his_o own_o wit_n or_o judgement_n or_o the_o like_a sinful_a cause_n which_o must_v be_v know_v and_o voluntary_a in_o order_n to_o such_o a_o error_n and_o ignorance_n otherwise_o they_o can_v not_o be_v sinful_a as_o we_o have_v see_v out_o of_o your_o own_o word_n that_o we_o can_v be_v oblige_v to_o that_o which_o be_v not_o in_o our_o power_n now_o if_o the_o cause_n of_o such_o error_n be_v sinful_a and_o voluntary_a to_o say_v one_o may_v be_v pardon_v of_o that_o sin_n without_o actual_o forsake_v it_o be_v to_o say_v a_o sin_n may_v be_v repent_v and_o forgive_v while_o one_o be_v actual_o persist_v in_o the_o commit_n of_o it_o and_o see_v to_o pardon_v a_o sin_n be_v to_o destroy_v it_o and_o to_o be_v commit_v it_o be_v to_o conserve_v it_o in_o be_v sin_n shall_v be_v destroy_v and_o conserve_v be_v and_o not_o be_v at_o the_o same_o time_n which_o be_v a_o manifest_a contradiction_n 20._o but_o you_o say_v the_o sinner_n may_v have_v repentance_n of_o all_o sin_n know_v and_o unknown_a i_o answer_v you_o be_v 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