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A14399	Concerning the excommunication of the Venetians a discourse against Cæsar Baronius Cardinall of the Church of Rome In which the true nature and vse of excommunication is briefly and cleerly demonstrated, both by testimonies of Holy Scripture, and from the old records of Christs Church. Written in Latine by Nicolas Vignier, and translated into English after the copie printed at Samur 1606. Whereunto is added the Bull of Pope Paulus the Fift, against the Duke, Senate and Commonwealth of Venice: with the protestation of the sayd Duke and Senate. As also an apologie of Frier Paul of the order of Serui in Venice.; De Venetorum excommunicatione, adversus Caesarem Baronium. English	Vignier, Nicolas.; Sarpi, Paolo, 1552-1623. Apologia per le oppositioni fatte dall'illustrissimo & reverendissimo signor cardinale Bellarminio alli trattati, et risolutioni di Gio. Gersone. English.; Baronio, Cesare, 1538-1607. Duo vota. English.; Catholic Church. Pope (1605-1621 : Paul V); Venice (Republic : to 1797). Doge (1606-1612 : Donato)	1607 (1607)	STC 24719; ESTC S120778	41,133	78

Auarice vnsatiable which prouided and stored vp heaps of coine to maintaine the premised brauerie or at least if that needed not to feede their eies and giue them content in viewing the stamp of their come To fulfill the behest of these Lordes and accomplish all their desires the golden age of Saturne whereof the Poets fable would vneth suffice if againe the world might behold such times And because not any though neuer so fatte a Bishopricke is able sufficiently to content these three Harpyes they haue bethought them of other helps and furtherances in the case For the Popes perceiuing how that the profits and reuenues of the Romane Bishoprick the Patrimonie of Saint Peter greater than kingdomes though none indeed very much impaired by their negligence would not bee inough to maintaine the credit and height of that State which they as Emperors and kings of Nations were determined to exalt therfore they haue intruded vpon other mens flocks which broght forth yong in multitudes yelded plenty of wool milk Thus you see the causes which moued the Popes to trie so many waies to bring them in treasure abusing their office and pastorall charge in euery particular point thereof as if Christ had commanded them not to feed the flocke but to fleece them to flea them to bowell them to eat them For to begin with their incroachments they haue not onely seised the creation of Bishops and collations of all Ecclesiasticall dignities into their owne hands abolishing the ancient right of elections but to speake in the phrase of Nic. de Clamengijs that the golden currents might flow more abundantly from all partes of the world into their Court they haue debard depriued all Diocesans Patrons of their right of presētation or any way disposing of their benefices forbidding vpon pain of their curse see what vse they make of excommunication that they be not so presumptuously bold for in such termes their rescripts do run as to institute any man vnto any benefice vnder their charge vntill those were prouided for euery man or did refuse to accept that benefice vnto whom they had giuen any aduousins themselues in reuersion Since which time good God what swarmes haue there been in all places at all times of those that haue gaped for such presentations Men taken not from the study or from the schooles but from the plough and manuary trades to haue charge of soules and pastorall cares committed vnto them Men that vnderstood the Arabian tongue aswell as they did the Latin a perfect patern of our times that could hardly read nay more I am ashamed to speake it not able to know A from B. And these exactions not yet sufficing to satiate the rauen of the Romish Popes and Cardinals The words at creation of a Cardinall be Esto Princeps mundi frater noster ten thousand shifts were yet further inuented to get and heape money vnto their cofers whereof this is no place to speake For the Colledge of Cardinals growing daily greater the burthen grew greater vpon all countries Because it it was held an absurd thing that such as were aduanced to that place in the Church as to bee fellowes vnto kings should not bee prouided in answerable sort but stand as hungry and starueling mercenaries So that to maintaine and beare out this pride all States both Temporall and Ecclesiasticall were oppressed From hence came the retaining of so many benefices and preferments in nature repugnant one to another while the same man is both a Moncke and a Canon Regular and Secular vnder one seuerall hab it hauing enioying the Rights Degrees Offices Benefices of all Religions Orders Professions Insomuch as that speech spoken of the Iesuites A Iesuit is a man of all professions may better be fitted vnto the Cardinals Peter of Aliaco Cardinall of Cambray in his booke of Reforming the state of the Church which he wrot and presented to the Councell of Constance is very earnest to haue these abuses taken away where he calleth those Pluralities of Church-liuings a monstrous and many waies scandalous offence This is the cause why Iubilies and Indulgences be so dearely bought See the hundred grieuances of Germany grieu 3. that they draw foorth the gold godly life of whole kingdoms as the Princes States of Germany complained at the Diet at Norimberge in the yeare 1522. Their gold is purloined being by the impious Collectors of Rome transported out of the country into Rome godlinesse is banished and cleane extinct while men presuming vpon absolution let loose the reines of liberty vnto all impiety To conclude this bottomlesse pit of greedy desire hath sent foorth excommunications and cursings against Princes and Magistrates as may plainly bee euicted by these examples Gregory the ninth charged Frederic the Emperour that vpon paine of the churches censure he should with all expedition and possible speed Platina in the life of Gregory the ninth passe into Asia against the Infidels And because he was thought to make no very great haste as he had threatned he accursed him indeed Frederic appalled at this proceeding besought the Pope that he might be assoiled but could in no case obtaine it till he had paid in to the vie of the Church of Rome 120000. ounces of gold King Iohn of England standing excommunicate by Pope Innocent the 3. Paulus Aemilius Platina in the life of Innocent the 3. fearing the French King would get his kingdome from him whom the Pope had incited to warre against him that he might bee receiued into grace with his fatherhood was constrained to make England and Ireland his tributarie States and for them to pay yearely vnto Rome 100. markes of gold which Peter whose successour he vaunteth to bee I thinke would neuer haue done who so constantly refused Simon Magus money Thy money bee together with thee to perdition that supposest Gods gifts can be bought with money Their chaffaring of holy things so as they doe is proofe they succeed Simon not Peter but Magus And to draw all vnto an issue By a statute of 〈◊〉 as it were what other cause in truth is there now of this their contending with and excommunicating the State of Venice but this that the carefull wise Magistrate would restraine in some small measure that Romish rauin and insatiable rapine And so your Popes censure ô Baronius being clearely proued so many waies void ought not in any sort to be feared especially now in these daies of ours in which the light of the Gospell hath certainely disclosed what is the true vse of Excommunication which for so many ages past the Popes haue by exceeding strange illusions changed into a most impious tyranny Plinius lib. 8. ca. 16. They write that the Lion a fierce and cruell beast is exceedingly afraid of the running of cart wheeles and empty coatches but especially trembles at the sight of fire These Lions of Venice are not so who often heeretofore being deluded

with the vaine rumbling of the Papall cursings haue termed now at last Galli alluding to the French in the ambiguitie of words who heertofore sided with the Popes against Venice The Armes of France Saint Antonies fire Lib. 22. cap. 19. Mushromes much eaten in Italy and haue a poisonous qualitie in them saith Atheneus But he meaneth the pride and vanitie the word being fungus In fasciculo rerum expetendarum that your fire is no better than a painted flame and the thunder-cracks of your terrible Salmoneus no more to be feared then childrens rattles For so long as the Cocks set not vp their combes not affright with their crowing the howling of these night birds are but toies Or what cause is there why the Lions of Venice should be afraid of your fire who carrie about them Lilies an excellent remedie as Physitians write against the disease called Ignis sacer and not so alone but as Pliny writeth against the stinging of serpents and poison of mushromes Indeed I confesse the lightning of Gods seruants is not rashly to bee vilepended and yet there is no cause to stand in feare therof alwaies especially when as Vdalrichus Huttenus a knight of Germany writeth it proceedeth from Humane passion I tremble at the indignation of Christ I feare not the displeasure of the Pope and this is not Christs cause but the Popes quarrell These nets are not cast to catch soules but to draw in gold and siluer for seeing that the late Censure of Clement the Eight against the state of Ferrara thriued so well as to enlarge Peters patrimonie with an accesse of not a sew townes these Scarlet Fathers haue made them selues a promise that this against Venice shall speed as well But I wish them take heed lest Ill counsell fall heauiest on the giuers Iohan de Mandeuilla lib. 1 Venetians by their long continued trade with the Grecians may happely haue learned to answere Paul 5. to the same purpose as the Greekes sometimes did Iohn the two and twentieth Wee beleeue thy authoritie is within thy owne dominions supreme we can not indure thy pride which is extreamen we are not able to satiate thy Auarice The Diuell be with thee because God is with vs. Now therefore to returne from whence we haue digressed by the premises Baronius you may perceiue the vanitie and follie of that your exhortation which you annex vnto your Pope B Go on then a Gods name holy Father as you haue begun suppose not that no man can iustly tax your too much hastinesse c. For it had been your part first to haue proued the thing right and honest wherto you would lead him which failing to do you shall haue no thankes for your idle attempt in seeking to match Paul your Pope in equall termes with Paul the Apostle of the Gentiles much lesse to preferre him before and incite him as you do to proceed There is no delay can excuse much lesse commend that which originally was vniust nay rather the longer debated demurred the greater the fault in execution But this palpable flatterie makes me remember a worthie saying of Roderigo Bishop of Zamora In spec●ritae hum lib. 2. c. 3. The Pope though he hath all things a yet euermore stands in need of one thing viz. a faithfull Counsellor to tell him the trueth For from the highest vnto the lowest euerie one is giuen to sooth him vp they tell him smooth tales but all to deceiue him Cunningly they aduise him for their owne aduantage Fraudulently they supplicate to attaine their own wishes and for that flatterie is associate with guile as euery man can tell they combine among themselues like craftie companions as they bee not to crosse or thwart the one the other And as the scope of an Orator is to perswade the end of Physicke is to recure so the intent of a flatterer is to colour and deceiue The fowlers call is a pleasing note but the end is to deceiue the bird And as Ierome said once Poisons are giuen mixt with hony These are the men that make God and the Pope fellowes ascribing some Deitie vnto him But and if I mistake not the trueth the Popes should indeed heerein shew themselues like God if they would command such Varlets to the halter but out of all doubt true seruers of God if such coosining deceiuers were well punished for their paines So far that Bishop But that which I maruell at most of all is that Baronius a man who knoweth all things the skilfullest antiquarie in the Church stories that liueth the man who when first hee gaue his mind to write Genesed out of Terence set it downe as his principall intent and purpose that the lies he committed to the presse might finde acceptance with the vulgar sort that hee should set down so barsh a comparison of Paul the fift with Gregorie the Seuenth and Alexander the third wherof the first was the vilest Varlet that euer sate in that sea and the latter to bee detested for his intolerable pride B I for my part so you say do professe ingenuously that I reioice in my Spirit I will say with the Apostle I do ouerabound in ioy And let mee also speake in the Apostles wordes Act. 23. God shall smite thee thou painted wall that darest belch foorth of thy vnsanctified throat the wordes of so great an Apostle who as truly canst say with a pure conscience which hee once spake I vse great boldnesse of speech toward you 2. Cor. 7.4 I glorie greatly in you I am filled with comfort and am exceedingly ioyous in all our tribulation as thou canst those former words of the same Apostle I haue wronged no man I haue corrupted no man I haue defrauded no man when the words thou speakest these verie wordes are only to wrong to defraud to corrupt B But let vs heare the iust cause of this so supera bounding ioy * When I behold in my decrepit age Gregorie or Alexander in Peters chaire Heare ô you Kings hearken ô Princes giue eare ô Potentates of the Christian world by the testimonie of Caesar Baronius a Reuerend old man a sincere Cardinall an eie witnesse a man of credit Gregorie sitteth in Peters chaire not you must know Saint Gregory the first whose Christian speech this is I speake it with confidence Greg. in epist lib. 4 epist 30. whosoeuer he be that names himselfe or would be named vniuersall Bishop in that his pride hee sheweth himselfe the forerunner of Antichrist that aduaunceth himselfe beyond all equalls who calleth the Title of Vniuersall Bishop wherein the now Popes do so much glory a Swelling a new name a word of rashnesse See the 2. and 24. episties of the 4. and 6. booke Proud Pompaticall Peruerse Superstitious Prophane Impious a Name of Error of Singularity Vanitte Hypocrisie Blasphemie That Gregorie I say the first of his name who wrote with such reuerence of Arian Princes

punished for his vnreasonable attempts as condemned by this synode for such his presumption What more can we say vnto the Bish of Rome who violently intrudes himselfe without being sent for into all causes in all Churches taking euery occasion to intermeddle so insolently and impudently as he doth Of the same argument be the 15.21 and 22. Canons which expresly forbid all Bishops to enter vpon or meddle with ought in any Diocesse beside their owne What neede wee more Can. 6. In the Aphrican Councel there is a Prohibition that the Bishop of the first Sea be not called Prince of Priests or chiefe Priest or by any such like title as these but only Bishop of the first Sea And the 92. Canon of that Councell prouides that no appeales do stand good which are made vnto places beyond the Sea that is to the seat of Rome and if any man shall appeale he is to be excluded from communion with any within the boundes of Africa And hereof there were letters written vnto Caelestinus the then Bishop of Rome wherein the Africans intreat him that he would forbeare from thence forward to receiue into Communion with him any man excommunicated by them which should bee derogatorie to the authoritie of the Churches of Africa and the Canons of the Nicene Councell For say these Fathers very wisely and equally haue they prouided that matters be determined there and not else but there where first they had beginning That it was not to be doubted but that the spirit of grace would be in such sort present in euery prouince as to inable the Priest of Christ wisely to see the trueth and constantly to follow it being seene especially seeing it was denied none if he were aggrieued with the sentence of his Ordinarie to appeale from him to a prouinciall or to a generall Councell vnlesse perhaps a man can imagine that God can giue seuerall men discerning iudgement and deny it or not giue it vnto many conuening together in a Councell And so the first Nullitie in Excommunication Papall is the Incompetencie as they terme it of the Iudge therfore Incompetent because hee vsurpeth on an others right which the Scholemen themselues agnise as sufficient to annihilate the sentence of Excommunication vpon the 4. booke of Sentences and 18. Distinct A second Nullity is that Excommunication is by the Popes denounced against Innocents as well as Nocents For they vse to punish not them alone against whom their quarrells lie but for some one or few mens sake they rage against Cities Prouinces whole Kingdomes as is to be seene in their Bulls where Excommunicating Kings Princes or Magistrates they insnare together all their Subiects which wickednes the Lord doth condemne by his prophet 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ezech. 18.20 The sonne shall not beare the fathers sinne but the soule which hath sinned that soule shall die But this destroyer curseth downe to Hell and deuoureth to perdition not only the son for the fathers fault but onely whole families * which Augustine condemned Epist 75. but populous cities whole kingdomes for the offence if yet offence of their gouernours Wherin there is some ods betweene Christ and him whose Vicar neuerthelesse he needs wil be ●uk 19 10. For * Christ saith he came to seeke and to saue that which was lost but the Pope little priseth myriads of soules bought and redeemed with Christs bloud so be he may raigne and Lord it alone Christ proclaimeth himselfe The annointed of Iehoua Esay 61.1 to comfort such as mourn in Sion to giue vnto them beauty for ashes the oile of ioy for mourning the garment of gladnesse for the spirit of heauinesse that they might build the old waste places and raise vp the former desolations and repaire the cities that were abandoned and waste through many generations But the Pope turneth vpside downe Common-wealths setled well and in peace changing mattockes into speares sithes into swords and sheathing swords in the bowels of men Leo the 10. in whose time liued his like and was a retainer vnto that house I meane Angelus Poli who vsed to say merily vnto his fellows Let vs goe ad audiendam fabulam de Iesu Christo In effect Let go to Church forcing kings to quit their kingdomes altering states lawes times at his pleasure treading vnder foot the crownes of Emperors by pretext of excommunication forcing them to leaue their seat royall and lay their neckes vnder his feet to tread vpon The third nullity is from the causes of Excommunication For tell me whom euer for Idolatry or for Atheisme did hee excommunicate These impieties passe without controlement euen at Rome in the Popes Court which euery man knows that hath read their stories For to say nothing of Idolatry which by prescription in the Romane vse is now receiued for Religion was not that Pope a flat Atheist who in a passage of speech with Cardinall Bembo called the Gospell of Iesus Christ a fable And what I pray you cause was there at all why Henry the 111. the most Christian King of France should so be censured vnlesse for his too great zeale forwardnesse in the superstitions of Rome For as one said very truly At Rome you may be what you will So that you be a rakehell still But lest happily I seeme ouer seuere against transgressions in the first Table hearken what some ages since an ey-witnesse did write I tooke a iourney to see Rome and since I did it see I haue inough Then farewell Rome I 'le come againe to thee When Pandar Brothel Buffon or a Cynede I shall be And lest I be said to produce namelesse authours do but marke what Baptista Mantuan a Carmelite Frier hath written of the maners and customes of Rome S. Peters lust worn family in riot wast their daies Exiling far all honesty when buffons rents do raise Vpon Gods owne inheritance when hallowed altars feed Leud losels and loose Catamites within his Church do breed What maruell though they rise in wealth and houses build on high If Tyrus sends them scarlet gownes Th'arabian spicery And frankincense they vent out much temples are set to sale Priests altars praiers crownes are sold yea heauen nay God and all But what do I insist in this when as Iohannes Casa Archbishop of Beneuento and legat Apostolique with the Venetians in the daies of Iuly the 111. wrot and published a booke in Print in Italian rhythmes Taxa Cancellariae Apostolicae Luter●e apud Toss Dionysian ●520 therein extolling the sinne of Sodomy And to conclude The taxing of the chancery of Rome may witnesse without all contradiction in what low account be at Rome the most grieuous and capitall offences The words of that booke are these The Absolution for him who hath carnally knowen a woman in the church Grossus is the 8. part of an ounce a small fine for such a fault gross 6. The Absolution for him that hath had carnally to