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calvinus_n &_o caeteri_fw-la haeretici_fw-la concedunt_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la absolutè_fw-la non_fw-la posse_fw-la deficcre_fw-la sed_fw-la dicunt_fw-la intelligi_fw-la debere_fw-la de_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la inviâ—…_n bellarm._n l._n 3._o de_fw-fr eccles_n milit._n c._n 13._o §._o 1._o but_o this_o exception_n of_o bellarmine_n that_o the_o protestant_n who_o out_o of_o his_o liberality_n he_o call_v heretic_n speak_v of_o the_o inâ—…isible_a church_n be_v mere_o frivolous_a for_o the_o church_n of_o the_o elect_n be_v in_o the_o church_n of_o they_o that_o be_v call_v and_o the_o invisible_a church_n in_o the_o visible_a therefore_o if_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o the_o elect_n can_v err_v in_o fundamental_o the_o whole_a visible_a church_n in_o which_o the_o same_o elect_n be_v can_v err_v now_o that_o the_o invisible_a church_n of_o the_o elect_n be_v in_o the_o visible_a be_v manifest_a out_o of_o s._n aug._n ipsa_fw-la est_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la quae_fw-la intra_fw-la sagenam_fw-la dominicam_fw-la cum_fw-la malis_fw-la piscibus_fw-la natat_fw-la s._n aug._n epist._n 48._o grana_n sunt_fw-la inter_fw-la illam_fw-la palcam_fw-la quando_fw-la area_n cum_fw-la videretur_fw-la tota_fw-la palea_fw-la putabatur_fw-la s._n aug._n in_o psal._n 121._o and_o this_o be_v prove_v at_o large_a by_o hooker_n l._n 3._o eccles._n pol._n §._o 1._o for_o else_o the_o elect_a or_o invisible_a church_n be_v tie_v to_o no_o duty_n of_o christianity_n for_o all_o such_o duty_n be_v require_v of_o the_o church_n as_o it_o be_v visible_a and_o perform_v in_o the_o church_n as_o it_o be_v visible_a and_o d_o r._n field_n speak_v as_o plain_o we_o hold_v it_o impossible_a that_o the_o church_n shall_v ever_o by_o apostasy_n and_o misbelief_n whole_o depart_v from_o god_n etc._n etc._n so_o we_o hold_v that_o it_o never_o fall_v into_o heresy_n so_o that_o bellarmine_n be_v as_o much_o to_o be_v blame_v for_o idle_a and_o needless_a busy_v himself_o to_o prove_v that_o the_o visible_a church_n never_o fall_v into_o heresy_n which_o we_o most_o willing_o grant_v field_n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr eccles._n c._n 2._o take_v the_o church_n for_o all_o the_o believer_n now_o live_v and_o in_o thing_n necessary_a to_o be_v know_v express_o ibid._n and_o bellarmine_n himself_o add_v calvinus_n dicit_fw-la hanc_fw-la propositionem_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la errare_fw-la veram_fw-la esse_fw-la si_fw-la intelligatur_fw-la cum_fw-la duplici_fw-la restrictione_n prima_fw-la est_fw-la si_fw-la non_fw-la proponat_fw-la dogmata_fw-la extra_fw-la scripturam_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o indeed_o calvin_n do_v say_v so_o l._n 4_o instit._fw-la c._n 8._o §._o 13._o secunda_fw-la est_fw-la si_fw-la intelligatur_fw-la de_fw-fr solâ_fw-la ecclesiâ_fw-la universali_fw-la non_fw-la autem_fw-la de_fw-fr representatiuâ_fw-la bellar._n l._n 3._o de_fw-fr eccl._n milit_fw-la c._n 14._o §._o 2._o and_o i_o hope_v it_o be_v as_o good_a and_o a_o better_a restriction_n in_o calvin_n to_o say_v the_o catholic_a church_n can_v err_v if_o it_o keep_v to_o the_o scripture_n then_o for_o bellarmine_n to_o say_v the_o particular_a church_n of_o rome_n can_v err_v because_o of_o the_o pope_n reside_v there_o or_o the_o pope_n can_v
then_o a._n c._n tell_v we_o that_o particular_a church_n must_v in_o 58._o a._n c._n p._n 58._o that_o case_n as_o irenaeus_n intimate_v have_v recourse_n to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o have_v more_o powerful_a principality_n and_o to_o case_n to_o and_o after_o he_o say_v p._n 58._o that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v and_o aught_o to_o be_v the_o judge_n of_o particular_a church_n in_o this_o case_n her_o bishop_n who_o be_v chief_a pastor_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n as_o be_v s._n peter_n successor_n to_o who_o christ_n promise_v the_o key_n s._n matth._n 16._o for_o who_o he_o pray_v that_o his_o faith_n may_v not_o fail_v s._n luke_n 22._o and_o who_o he_o charge_v to_o seed_n and_o govern_v the_o whole_a flock_n s_o john_n 21._o and_o this_o a._n c._n tell_v we_o he_o shall_v never_o refuse_v to_o do_v in_o such_o sort_n as_o that_o this_o neglect_n shall_v be_v a_o just_a cause_n for_o any_o particular_a man_n or_o church_n under_o pretence_n of_o reformation_n in_o manner_n or_o faith_n to_o make_v a_o schism_n or_o separation_n from_o the_o whole_a general_n church_n well_o first_o you_o see_v where_o a._n c._n will_v have_v we_o if_o any_o particular_a church_n differ_v in_o point_n of_o divine_a truth_n they_o must_v not_o judge_n or_o condemn_v each_o other_o say_v he_o no_o take_v heed_n of_o that_o in_o any_o case_n that_o be_v the_o office_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o yet_o he_o will_v have_v it_o that_o rome_n which_o be_v but_o a_o particular_a church_n must_v and_o ought_v judge_v all_o other_o particular_n second_o he_o tell_v we_o this_o be_v so_o because_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v more_o powerful_a principality_n than_o other_o particular_a church_n and_o that_o her_o bishop_n be_v pastor_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n to_o this_o i_o answer_v that_o it_o be_v most_o true_a indeed_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v have_v and_o have_v yet_o more_o powerful_a principality_n than_o any_o other_o particular_a church_n but_o she_o have_v not_o this_o power_n from_o christ._n the_o roman_a patriarch_n by_o ecclesiastical_a constitution_n may_v perhaps_o have_v a_o primacy_n of_o order_n but_o for_o principality_n of_o power_n the_o patriarch_n be_v as_o even_o as_o equal_a as_o the_o praelato_fw-la the_o summa_fw-la potestas_fw-la ecclesiastica_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la data_fw-la solum_fw-la petro_n sedetiam_fw-la aliis_fw-la apostolis_n omnes_fw-la enim_fw-la poterant_fw-la dicere_fw-la illud_fw-la s._n pauli_n solicitu_fw-la la_fw-fr omnium_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la etc._n etc._n 2._o cor._n 11._o 28._o bellar._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n c._n 9_o §._o respondâ—…_n pontificatum_fw-la where_o then_o be_v the_o difference_n between_o s._n peter_n and_o the_o rest_n in_o this_o say_v bellarmin_n ibid._n quta_fw-la hec_fw-la potestas_fw-la data_fw-la est_fw-la petro_n ut_fw-la ordinario_fw-la pastori_fw-la cvi_fw-la perpetuo_fw-la succederetur_fw-la aliis_fw-la verò_fw-la tanquà m_fw-la delegatis_fw-la quibus_fw-la non_fw-la succederetur_fw-la this_o be_v handsome_o say_v to_o man_n easy_a of_o belief_n but_o that_o the_o high_a power_n ecclesiastical_a confess_v to_o be_v give_v to_o the_o other_o apostle_n as_o well_o as_o to_o s._n peter_n be_v give_v to_o s._n peter_n only_o as_o to_o a_o ordinary_a pastor_n who_o successor_n shall_v have_v the_o same_o power_n which_o the_o successor_n of_o the_o rest_n shall_v not_o have_v can_v never_o be_v prove_v out_o of_o scripture_n nay_o i_o will_v give_v they_o their_o own_o latitude_n it_o can_v never_o be_v prove_v by_o any_o tradition_n of_o the_o whole_a catholic_a church_n and_o till_o it_o be_v prove_v bellarmine_n handsome_a expression_n can_v be_v believe_v by_o i_o for_o s._n cyprian_n have_v tell_v i_o long_o since_o that_o episcopatus_fw-la vnus_fw-la est_fw-la for_o as_o much_o as_o belong_v to_o the_o call_v as_o well_o as_o apostolatus_fw-la l._n de_fw-fr simp._n praelato_fw-la apostle_n be_v before_o they_o the_o truth_n be_v this_o more_o powerful_a principality_n the_o roman_a bishop_n 12._o bishop_n §._o 25._o nu._n 12._o get_v under_o the_o emperor_n after_o they_o become_v christian_a and_o they_o use_v the_o matter_n so_o that_o they_o grow_v big_a enough_o to_o oppose_v nay_o to_o depose_v the_o emperor_n by_o the_o same_o power_n which_o they_o have_v give_v they_o and_o after_o this_o other_o particular_a church_n especial_o here_o in_o the_o west_n submit_v themselves_o to_o they_o for_o succour_n and_o protection_n sake_n and_o this_o be_v one_o main_a cause_n which_o swell_v rome_n into_o this_o more_o powerful_a principality_n and_o not_o any_o right_o give_v by_o christ_n to_o make_v that_o epistola_fw-la that_o lib._n 1._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n c._n 9_o §._o augustmu_n epistola_fw-la prelate_n pastor_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n i_o know_v bellarmine_n make_v much_o ado_n about_o it_o and_o will_v needs_o fetch_v it_o out_o of_o principatas_fw-la of_o s._n aug._n epist._n 162._o in_o romaná_n ecclesiâ—…_n emper_fw-la apostolicae_fw-la cathedrae_fw-la viguit_fw-la principatas_fw-la s._n augustine_n who_o say_v indeed_o that_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n there_o do_v always_o flourish_v the_o principality_n of_o a_o apostolic_a chair_n or_o if_o you_o will_v the_o apostolic_a chair_n in_o relation_n to_o the_o west_n and_o south_n part_n of_o the_o church_n all_o the_o other_o four_o apostolic_a chair_n be_v in_o the_o east_n now_o this_o no_o man_n deny_v that_o understand_v the_o state_n and_o story_n of_o the_o church_n and_o 16._o and_o quia_fw-la opinio_fw-la invaluit_fw-la fundâ—…tam_fw-la esse_fw-la hanc_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la à _fw-la s._n petâ—…_n jtaque_fw-la in_o occidente_fw-la sedes_fw-la apostolica_fw-la honoris_fw-la 〈◊〉_d calv._n l._n 4._o c._n 6._o §._o 16._o calvin_n confess_v it_o express_o nor_o be_v the_o word_n principatus_fw-la so_o great_a nor_o be_v the_o bishop_n of_o those_o time_n so_o little_a as_o that_o principes_fw-la and_o principatus_fw-la be_v not_o common_o give_v they_o both_o by_o the_o general_n the_o princeps_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la s._n h._n lar_a 18._o de_fw-fr trin._n prin._n and_o he_o speak_v of_o a_o biâ—…hop_n in_o general_n greg._n nazianz._n orat._n 17._o ascribuntur_fw-la episcopo_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d imperium_fw-la thronus_fw-la &_o principatus_fw-la ad_fw-la regimâ—…n_fw-la aâ—…imarum_fw-la et_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d hujusmodi_fw-la imperium_fw-la and_o he_o also_o speak_v of_o a_o bishop_n greg._n nazian_n orat._n 20._o nor_o be_v these_o any_o title_n of_o pride_n in_o biâ—…hops_n then_o for_o s._n greg._n nazianz._n who_o challenge_v these_o title_n to_o himself_o orat._n 17._o be_v so_o devout_a so_o mild_a and_o so_o humble_a that_o rather_o than_o the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v break_v he_o free_o resign_v the_o great_a patriarchate_n of_o constantinople_n and_o retire_v and_o this_o in_o the_o first_o council_n of_o constantinople_n and_o the_o second_o general_n greek_a and_o the_o latin_a father_n of_o this_o great_a and_o learnede_a age_n of_o the_o church_n make_v up_o of_o the_o four_o and_o fist_v hundred_o year_n always_o understand_v principatus_fw-la of_o their_o spiritual_a power_n and_o within_o the_o limit_n of_o their_o several_a jurisdiction_n which_o perhaps_o now_o and_o then_o they_o do_v occasional_o exceed_v and_o there_o be_v not_o one_o word_n in_o s._n augustine_n that_o this_o principality_n of_o the_o apostolic_a chair_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v then_o or_o aught_o to_o be_v now_o exercise_v over_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o christ_n as_o bellarmine_n insinuate_v there_o and_z as_o a._n c._n will_v have_v it_o here_o and_o to_o prove_v that_o s_n augustine_n do_v not_o intend_v by_o principatus_fw-la here_o to_o give_v the_o roman_a bishop_n any_o power_n out_o of_o his_o own_o limit_n which_o god_n know_v be_v far_o short_a of_o the_o whole_a church_n i_o shall_v make_v it_o most_o manifest_a out_o of_o the_o very_a same_o epistle_n for_o afterward_o say_v s._n augustine_n when_o the_o pertinacy_n of_o the_o donatist_n can_v not_o be_v restrain_v by_o the_o african_a bishop_n only_o 162._o only_o pergant_fw-la ad_fw-la fratres_n &_o collegas_fw-la nostros_fw-la transmarinarum_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la episcopos_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n ep_v 162._o they_o give_v they_o leave_v to_o be_v hear_v by_o foreign_a bishop_n and_o after_o that_o he_o have_v these_o word_n ibid._n word_n an_fw-mi fortè_fw-la non_fw-la debuit_fw-la romanae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la melciades_n episcopus_fw-la cum_fw-la collegis_fw-la transmarinis_fw-la episcopis_fw-la illud_fw-la sibi_fw-la usurpare_fw-la judicium_fw-la quod_fw-la ab_fw-la afris_fw-fr septuaginta_fw-la ubi_fw-la primus_fw-la tigisitanus_n praesedit_fw-la fuerit_fw-la terminaetum_fw-la quid_fw-la quod_fw-la nec_fw-la ipse_fw-la usurpâ—…vit_fw-la rogatus_n quip_n imperator_n judices_fw-la misit_fw-la episcopos_fw-la qui_fw-la cum_fw-la â—…o_fw-la sederent_fw-la &_o de_fw-fr totâ_fw-la illâ_fw-la causà _fw-la quod_fw-la justum_fw-la videretur_fw-la statuerent_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n ibid._n and_o yet_o peradventure_o melciades_n the_o bishop_n of_o
of_o all_o doubt_n neither_o first_o because_o many_o learned_a man_n have_v challenge_v many_o pope_n for_o teach_v heresy_n and_o that_o be_v against_o the_o true_a faith_n and_o that_o which_o so_o many_o learned_a man_n have_v affirm_v be_v not_o out_o of_o all_o doubt_n or_o if_o it_o be_v why_o do_v bellarmine_n take_v so_o much_o pain_n to_o confute_v and_o disproove_v they_o as_o 8._o as_o bellar._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr ro._n pont._n c._n 8._o he_o do_v second_o because_o christ_n obtain_v of_o his_o father_n every_o thing_n that_o he_o pray_v for_o if_o he_o pray_v for_o it_o absolute_o and_o not_o under_o a_o condition_n father_n i_o know_v thou_o hear_v i_o always_o s._n john_n 11._o now_o christ_n here_o pray_v absolute_o for_o s._n peter_n therefore_o whatsoever_o he_o 42._o s._n john_n 11._o 42._o ask_v for_o he_o be_v grant_v therefore_o if_o christ_n intend_v his_o successor_n as_o well_o as_o himself_o his_o prayer_n be_v grant_v for_o his_o successor_n as_o well_o as_o for_o himself_o but_o then_o if_o bellarmine_n will_v tell_v we_o absolute_o as_o he_o do_v hoc_fw-la do_v donum_fw-la hoc_fw-la loco_fw-la petro_n impetratum_fw-la etiam_fw-la ad_fw-la successores_fw-la pertinet_fw-la bel._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n c._n 3._o §._o quarto_o donum_fw-la hoc_fw-la that_o the_o whole_a gift_n obtain_v by_o this_o prayer_n for_o s._n peter_n do_v belong_v to_o his_o successor_n and_o then_o by_o and_o by_o after_o break_v this_o gift_n into_o two_o part_n and_o call_v the_o first_o part_n into_o doubt_n whether_o it_o belong_v to_o his_o successor_n or_o no_o he_o can_v say_v the_o second_o part_n be_v out_o of_o all_o doubt_n for_o if_o there_o be_v reason_n of_o doubt_v the_o one_o there_o be_v as_o much_o reason_n of_o doubt_v the_o other_o since_o they_o stand_v both_o on_o the_o same_o foot_n the_o ualidity_n of_o christ_n prayer_n for_o saint_n peter_n yea_o but_o christ_n charge_v s._n peter_n to_o govern_v and_o feed_v his_o whole_a flock_n s._n john_n 21._o nay_o soft_a it_o be_v but_o his_o sheep_n 15._o s._n john_n 21._o 15._o and_o his_o lamb_n and_o that_o every_o apostle_n and_o every_o apostle_n successor_n have_v charge_n to_o doc_fw-fr 58._o doc_fw-fr mat._n 28._o 29_o &_o s._n mat._n 10._o 17._o the_o same_o power_n and_o charge_n be_v gâ—…en_v to_o they_o al._n a._n c._n p._n 58._o s._n matth._n 28._o but_o over_o the_o whole_a flock_n 〈◊〉_d find_v no_o one_o apostle_n or_o successor_n set_v and_o it_o be_v a_o poor_a shift_n to_o say_v as_o a_o c_o do_v that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v set_v over_o the_o whole_a flock_n because_o both_o over_o lamb_n and_o sheep_n for_o in_o every_o flock_n that_o be_v not_o of_o barren_a wether_n there_o be_v lamâ—…s_n and_o sheep_n that_o be_v be_v be_v and_o this_o seem_v to_o i_o to_o allâ—…de_v to_o that_o of_o s._n paul_n 1_o corinth_n 3_o 2._o and_o heb._n 5._o 12._o some_o be_v say_v with_o milk_n and_o some_o with_o strong_a meat_n the_o lamb_n with_o 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câ—…_n extra_fw-la out_o of_o aâ—…l_a â—…nd_n oâ—…_n scrâ—…ure_n but_o out_o of_o a_o jealousy_n at_o least_o that_o this_o of_o trent_n and_o some_o other_o have_v in_o their_o determinâ—…s_n leave_v both_o â—…ter_n and_o sense_n of_o scripture_n show_v this_o against_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a and_o i_o will_v grant_v so_o much_o of_o the_o case_n to_o be_v like_a but_o what_o will_v you_o say_v if_o niâ—…linum_n if_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d l._n 2._o 〈◊〉_d syâ—…_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d niâ—…linum_n constâ—…_n require_v that_o 〈◊〉_d thus_o bring_v into_o question_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d by_o testimony_n out_o of_o scripture_n and_o the_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o 〈◊〉_d council_n never_o refuse_v that_o â—…e_n and_o what_o will_v you_o say_v if_o they_o profess_v they_o depart_v not_o from_o it_o 〈◊〉_d 517._o
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