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ad_fw-la seruum_fw-la meum_fw-la job_n &_o offerte_fw-la holocaustum_fw-la pro_fw-la vobis_fw-la job_n autem_fw-la seruus_fw-la meus_fw-la orabit_fw-la pro_fw-la vobis_fw-la faciem_fw-la eius_fw-la suscipiam_fw-la ut_fw-la non_fw-la vobis_fw-la imputetur_fw-la stultitia_fw-la job._n 42._o vers_fw-la 8._o out_o of_o which_o place_n two_o thing_n be_v clear_o gather_v first_o that_o though_o god_n mercy_n be_v infinite_a yet_o many_o time_n he_o will_v not_o grant_v our_o prayer_n but_o in_o such_o manner_n as_o he_o will_v make_v we_o behold_v to_o his_o saint_n second_o that_o we_o ought_v to_o prostrate_v our_o prayer_n unto_o he_o as_o with_o great_a confidence_n in_o his_o goodness_n so_o likewise_o with_o a_o most_o feel_a humble_a distrust_n of_o our_o own_o worthiness_n which_o affection_n can_v but_o move_v we_o to_o seek_v the_o intercession_n of_o they_o we_o know_v to_o be_v most_o high_o gracious_a in_o his_o favour_n so_o that_o upon_o pretence_n of_o god_n great_a mercy_n 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