Parts of the true visible Catholicke Church are Churches Nationall as England the Netherlands c. The parts of the Visible Church are eyther sound as the Orthodoxe and reformed Churches or vnsound and diseased as the Greeke Church the Churches of Italie Spaine France c. Members of the true visible Church are all persons baptized who haue not renounced their Baptisme but do still professe him to whom at the first they gaue vp their names To conclude what the nature of the Visible Church is we may conceiue by this exact definition of it that it is a Communitie or Societie of men sanctified Hooker his discourse of iustification through the profession of the truth which God hath taught the world by his Sonne Where by the way let it bee noted that by sanctification is to be vnderstood a separation or distinction from others not professing as they doe as the word is frequently taken in Scripture especially the Old Testament for true holinesse consisteth not in professing but in obeying the truth of Christ CHAP. IV. What we call a true Church TWo things there are which breede diuersities of opinions among men the one the many circumstances wherewithall matters disputable are beset which beeing Hooker lib. 1. Pâ—r. 11. seuerall cause men of sundry wits to be of sundry iudgements the other the not conferring the opinions of those that dissent From whence it hath come to passe that many emulations and heart burnings haue bin noun shed betweene men otherwise learned and pious which afterwards by wise men interposing themselues and comparing the seuerall opinions haue beene happily layd asleepe and the opposites reconciled who after their opinions and assertions were compared together were found in words to differ but in sense and meaning to say the same thing and seemed rather to disagree than to do so indeed The like falleth out in this present controuersie Some haue affirmed and doe maintaine That the Church of Rome so farre forth as she hath the Sacraments and teacheth fundamentall truth is the true Church of Christ the Family of Iesus because they know it meerely impossible that these things should bee found any where without the Church Others beholding the mysterie of iniquitie which worketh in that Church and the many heresies and impieties where withall her doctrine is fraught haue denied the Church of Rome to bee a true Church and in regard of her many corruptions haue thought her hardly to deserue the name of a Church at Whitaâ—er â—e â—câ—leâ—â—a Cap. 1. all These assertions are seemingly repugnant and yet are easily reconciled the former opinion by a true Church vnderstanding a Church that hath those essentiall qualities which concurre to make vp the being of a Church and are as it were the forme of it which according to Philosophy giueth essence and distinction to euery thing though otherwise much deformed and vnsound the latter meaning thereby a Church sound and healthy including within the appellation of a true Church not onely the being simply but the well-being also and all that complement of excellencie and perfection which in this world the Church is capable of So that both sides confesse the Church of Rome to bee a true Church but neither of them that it is an Orthodoxe Church Mee thinkes I might here put a period vnto this discourse and proceede no faither but that the importunitie of some which hath caused me to begin this treatise calleth vpon me to goe forward and enforceth to sift the matter neerer yet who will not thus bee satisfied but as if the church of Rome were wholly and in euerie part Diabolicall and euerie Papist an Antichrist crie in the language of Edome Downe with it downe with it euen to the ground There is no saluattion for awy there euerie 7. Vials passim liuing soule therein perisheth they fight against God plead for Babylon whosoeuer they be that allow them the name of a Church for she hath altogether denied the faith nay cursed it is become worse than an infidell I say vnto them as Christ to his Disciples when their zeale or rather fury transported them Yee know not of what Luk 9. 55. manner of spirit yee are Therefore to giue full satisfaction As we esteeme him to bee a true man to whom the definition of a man Id qâ—â—d absolute de re quaque dicitur ad â—ei essentiam naturanque pertâ—â—â—â—â— quod vero 〈◊〉 id non est râ—i essentiale propâ—iâ— sed potius essentia accessio circumstâ—ntia â—umus lib Singulari de Ecclesia agreeth which is that hee is a liuing Creature endued with reason though otherwise hee bee sicke of a foule disease suppose the Leprosie yea the Plague which is not onely contagious but mortall likewise So we take the Church of Rome to bee a true Church and a part of the true Visible Catholicke Church so farre forth as the definition of the Church aboue giuen is compatible with her though otherwise shee bee miserably deformed and infected which wee haue more than once affirmed This attribute of truth then is to be vnderstood not Morally but Logically So a Thiefe though hee bee not an honest man is yet a true man notwithstanding Yet more fully The Church of Christ may be Musâ—ulus in Epist ad Galat. considered three wayes first Respectu electionis diuinae secondly Respectu obedientiae quam praestat Deo thirdly Respectu iuris Christi in Ecclesiam The Church in regard of diuine praedestination is inuisible as we haue shewed and therfore comes not within the present cause If we consider the Church in regard of her obedience and fealty which she performes towards God the Church of Rome is not the true Church of God she hath rebelled against him and transgressed his Lawes she hath added to his Word and must expect without Repentance that hee will adde to her plagues But in the third place though she be turned aside by her Idolatries and hath wandred from God through her Fornications yet hee hath not lost his right ouer her as ouer those Churches of Constantinople and other parts who long agoe embraced Mahumetisme in stead of Christian Religion Christ hath still Title to the Church of Rome as a Prince vnto his Subiects that are become Rebels whom vpon their Repentance and Amendment he receiueth not as aliens and strangers but as his owne naturall Subiects CHAP. V. What the Foundation of Faith is THe Foundation of our Faith implyeth two things First the generall ground whereupon wee rest when we doe bâ—leeue And thus the fundamentall writings of the Prophets Euangelists and Apostles are the foundation of our Faith Therefore St. Paul telleth vs that the Church of God is built vpon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets â—phe â— 20. More peculiarly the Christian Church is said by St. Iohn to be built vpon twelue foundations and in them Apoc. 21. 14. the names of the twelue Apostles O
time deliuered vnder her authority To draw therfore to a conclusion since the Scriptures affirme that many of Gods people are in Babyloâ— and that Antichrist must sit in the Church of God since that Popery taketh not away from the foundation but addeth to it * â—â—ndamento a◠〈…〉 â—aâ—itâ— noâ—â—tium Caput 〈◊〉 vâ—i sâ—pra Vide Dr. Prid. â—â—ct de â—isib â—â—clesia whence nothing is more frequent with ouâ— Diuines than to tearme Popery â—octriâ—am addititiam and their Reliâ—ion Popish additaments and Aquiâ—â—â— who gaue the Pope power to â—ake a new Creede neuer thought â—hat he might abrogate the old for â—s much as they haue that Baptisme â—hich maketh them members of the â—ue Church and Orders so good â—hat wee neuer iterate them seeing â—hat when wee dispute against them â—ee acknowledge them to hold funâ—amentall truth and that all our â—octors with an vnanimous consent â—ffirme so much and the sentence of â—ny one Classicall Author cannot be â—rought who affirmeth the contrary â—nd lastly seeing the Church our Mother imputeth vnto them errour â—nely in â—atters of Faith not abneâ—ation of the Faith it selfe we affirme â—hat the Church of Rome though otherwise wicked enough hath not â—et directly denyed the Foundaâ—ion of Faith and therefore that wee cannot deny her the name of a Christian Church 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is that we intended to proue The Second Part. Wherein the Reuerend Bishops Arguments are defended and Mr. Burtons Obiections answered CHAP. I. Containing an Introduction to the following discourse THere is in rectitude as the Philosopher wisely 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 noteth that perfection and beautie whereby we discerne both it selfe and whatsoeuer is contrary vnto it For hee that knowes what is straight doth euen perceiue thereby what is crooked because the absence oâ— straitnesse in bodies capable thereo◠〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ariâ—â—â—â—e anima lib 1. is crookednesse yet because tâ— Iudge both of rectitude and obliqâ—tie is the Rule which all haue not tâ— skill few the will to apply it is necessarie sometimes to leaue the amiable discourse of truth and apply oâ— selues to set forth the knottinesse anâ— deformitie of error that error maâ— yet be more abandoned and trutâ— more heartily embraced Wee suppose that wee haue alreadie not onâ—ly fortified the cause it selfe whicâ— wee tooke in hand with good aâ— solid reason but laid downe thoâ— rules also whereby whatsoeuer câ— be probably obiected against thâ— truth may be fully answered â—â— namely if we marke in what senâ— we affirme the Church of Rome tâ— be a true Church in what respect sâ— is Babylon and in what consideration a true Church what it is to dâ—nie the foundation what likewisâ— to ouerthrow it and how farre â— Christian Church may ouerthrow it Yet to make the worke complete it will not bee amisse to examine the weight of those reasons which are opposed hereunto and to free the arguments already brought in defence not of the Romish Church or anie point of their Religion but of a true â—ssertion amongst Protestant Diâ—ines from the exceptions alledged against them And this we will doe Heb. 6. 3. â—f God permit Where by the way let mee aduerâ—ise that had the second Edition of â—he Reuerend Bishops booke * Of the old Religion I saw it not till I had quite finished the first part of this Treatise come sooner to my hands I thinke I had saued my paines and not proceeded â—hus farre not that I had not a good mind to the Bishops defence and yet haue but that it might seeme superâ—uous to adde to it vnreasonable to â—eply against it M. Burton as it is â—uident before the Edition of his booke saw and read the Reuerend Bishops Apologie wherein he sheweth that preferment hath not made him differ from what he was before nor self conceit to take vp a new opinion but loue of the truth to auerâ— that wherein he finds all Diuines tâ— conspire with him none gain sayinâ— him At M. Burtons hands he hath gâ—â—ned nothing hereby but the opinioâ— of pertinacie added to his error â—â— taketh him boldly by the sleeue anâ— calleth him to account not only fâ—â— his former assertions but for his Apologie also how iustly we comâ— now to enquire CHAP. II M. Burtons method and manner of prâ—ceeding 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Nazianzenus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 All disputation consisting of twâ— parts the confirmation of trueth anâ— the confutation of error the first oâ— these wee haue absolued the laâ—â— now taketh place M. Burton tooke vpon him the interpretation of a portion of holy Scripture in the booke of the Apocalyps one of those two bookes which St. Austen said were reserued to be vnderstood in heauen The subiect of his discourse is the powring out of the 7. Vialls wherein The Cantic in the Old Testament and this in the New as if St. Iohn in the Spirit of prophecie had foreseene the errour of our most worthy Prelate and designed M. Burton for one of the 7 Angells he powreth out the second Viall wholly vpon him with how good successe let the euent decide In the meane while I shall returne him some of his owne dregges to drinke His proceeding is troublesome and tempestuous like the Sea one while affirming another while denying the same thing Scopae dissolutae Now he answers now he argues by by he declaimes altogether without order vt nec pes nec caput vni reddatur formae yet to reduce him to the best forme we can wee will obserue in his discourse these two parts 1. a generall proposition 2. the disputation it selfe In the first hee teacheth vs how to procced herein telling vs that it is a matter not to bee 7. Vialls Page 28. maintained by finenes of wit nor quaint Rhetoricall discourse but vpon sound ground and substantiall demonstration I need not tell you whom hee would decipher by this speech but I must needs wonder that hee is so witty at first and it calls to my remembrance the Infamous Paralleâ— written by Eudaemon Iohannes against the late Reuerend Bishop of Winchester wherein one maine head of hiâ— accusation against that worthie Prelate is that he was too conuersant iâ— the Comick writers his stile wâ—â— Vid 〈◊〉 Tortâ—r â—orti too curious his Latine too neat foâ— the Iesuits palate Thus M. Butrâ—â— least the Bishop by his diuine Esoquence and accurate speech shoulâ— preuaile too farre with his Readers strikes first at that by disgrace tearming it finenesse of wit and quainâ— Rhetoricke little hurting his aduersarie therreby but singularly dishonouring Almightie God For whose are the Arts whose is Eloquence and vtterance who gaue man the wit and the braine Demand of all the faculties of the Soule and bodie whose Image and inscription they beare they will tell you Gods In as much therefore as you offer â—niurie vnto the least of these you do â—t vnto God But who sees not whereunto
true Church Thus the maior proposition is answered For the minor which affirmeth That the Cburch of Rome hath not these Markes of a true Church we confesse that Gods Word is not purely taught amongst them but mingled with much drosse and error yet haue they not abolished all truth neyther can wee thinke but that they are much sounder in their Sermons than in their Disputations For the Sacraments it is true they haue defiled the Ordinances of God with their indecent Rites yet can they not hereby make them nullities much lesse by their erroneous opinions â—uacuate the force of them Their Baptisme for the substance of it is holy and good and effectuall no doubt to them that receiue it as ours The Eucharist is to them that partake of it if they be worthy Receiuers a true Sacrament notwithstanding their Teachers opinion of Transubstantiation That they are debarred of the Cup in the holy Communion is the sacriledge of the Masters of that Synagogue and the want thereof shall not be preiudiciall to those that vnfainedly desire it It is a rule of equitie Factum alterius â—lij nocere non debet The faultinesse of others shall not hurt those which doe not so much as consent with them and surely God will neuer lay that to their charge which through the perfidiousnesse of others it lay not in them to auoyde This part of the Reason then proueth the Church of Rome to bee an vnsound Church not no Church And Mr. Burton himselfe who thinks that these markes could not agree to the Church of Rome for these nine hundred yeares past yet denieth not that there was both a Church and Saluation there till the Councell of Trent Thus I hope wee haue giuen full satisfaction to Mr. Burtons greatest and his onely Argument and shewed it to bee neyther substantiall nor demonstratiue The Word of God purely preached and the Sacraments according to Christ his holy institution administred are Markes of the true Church If here by we examine the Church of England shee will appeare glorious and beautifull like Eden the Garden of the Lord if wee vrge them against the Church of Rome they shew her to bee not no Church at all but not an Orthodoxe Church CHAP. IV. Mr. Burtons cauilling at the Reuerend Bishops Similitudes examined FRom hence hee descendeth to examine those speeches which fell from the Reuerend Bishops Pen whiles he would set downe the extents of the differences betwixt vs Old Religion Chap. 1. and the Church of Rome Who iustly blameth those which dislike whatsoeuer is in the Church of Rome counting all Doctrine Popish that by them is maintained and all Discipline Antichristian which by them is vsed as if it were all errour no Church adding these words Neither for the chaffe doe we leaue the floore of God neyther for the bad fishes doe we breake his nets Mr. Burton But if pag. 36. the floore bee not now Gods floore but Antichrists floore where nothing is to bee found but chaffe and if the nâ—tâ— bee no other but such as catch onely the bad fishes which is not the property of Gods nets c. Stay a little Is there nothing in the Church of Rome but chaffe no good corne Pol ego illum perisse dâ—co quoi perijt pudor Is it all chaffe which they teach concerning the Trinitie Is it all chaffe which they teach touching many other fundamentall Points of Christian Religion Those studious endeauours of the Dominicans against the Iesuites maintaining Gods free grace against mans free wil are they all chaffe The Twelue Bookes of Aluarez De auxilijs gratiae which doe so trouble all the Fathers of the Societie is there nought but chaffe in them neither So long as M. Burton hath been in the Ministrie could hee neuer find any good graine amongst the writings of the Iesuites themselues how many sound and orthodox interpretations of Scripture do they lend vs Maldonat Lorinus and the rest if there be nothing but chaffe in them wherefore doe we lay out so much monie to buy their Commentaries It is not long that I haue been a Preacher yet in that short time I thanke God I haue found much good corne amongst them and haue deliuered many things professedly out of them yet neuer hitherto could any man accuse mee of teaching either Heresie or Schisme And doubtlesse hee himselfe is not ignorant hereof though he thinke good to dissemble it Againe It is true it is not the propertie of Gods Nets to catch onely bad fishes nor yet of any nets at all and for no other cause is the Kingdome of heauen that is the Visible Church of God compared to a Net but because that promiscuously it gathereth both good and badde Mat. 13. 47. fishes All truth saith the Bishop wheresoeuer it is found is Gods as the Kings coine is currant though it be found in any impure channell M. Burton True but when the truth of God is turned into Pag. 36. a lie and this lie put for Gods truth then the case is altered Here is a nimble conuersion But if all Men and Deuils should turne Alchymistes were it possible for them to Metamorphose Gods truth into a lie St. Paul speaking of the Gentiles how they abused that light of reason wherewithall God enlighteneth euerie one that commeth into the world and became vaine in their Imaginations saith of them that they changed Rom. 1. 25. the truth of God into a lie which was but a change neither 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not a simple conuersion Thus M. Burton vnlesse you may haue leaue to wrest Scripture your answere is nothing If any man obtrude adulterate money of his owne stamping If a man take the Kings coyne and beaâ—e it into a thinne lease cat pag. 30 in the Kings name let him suffer as a Malefactor but when the Kings currant coine is profered let no maâ— reiect it as base and vicious least hâ— himselfe bee impeached for a Traitor Where by the way note that yoâ— haue already contradicted your selâ—e Euen now all was chaffe in the Church of Rome now Gods truth is there how else can it be pretended how else can they colour ouer lyes with it The Reuerend Bishop proceedes Fundamentall truth is like the Maroâ—ean Wine which if it bee mixed with twenty times so much water holds his strength He is pleased to bee merry with the Bishop and tels him that his Comparison is pretty if it did hold water Your Vibanity Mr. Burton pag. 37. is pretty if your manners were as good But saith hee what if twenty times so much poyson be put to it c What will that hold poyson now which before would not hold water We grant it yet let me tell you that all the poyson in the world cannot be operatiue vpon the truth of God to alter the nature of it Popery is poyson but fundamentall Truth is an Antidote a little quantitie of Antidote that is soueraigne
will destroy much poyson Many drinke of the Cup in the hand of the Mother of Fornications though some take deeper draughts than others to some of them which take downeâ— withall some reasonable portion oâ— Fundamentall truth by the mercy of God it may be an Antidote to expell the poyson from their hearts and striue so long with it till it quâ—â—â— ouercome it that so that may bee fulfilled which our Lord promiseâ— as a signe to follow those that beleeued on his Name That thougâ— Mark â—6 18. they should drinke any deadly thiâ—â— it should not hurt them Now yoâ— Comparison of extracting the spiritâ— iâ—id pa. 37. of Fundamentall truth through 〈◊〉 Popes Limbecke till nothing bee 〈◊〉 but a dead Vappa is very vnapt Foâ— they that distill reserue that pure substance which they extract for theâ— vse casting away that which remaineth as vnprofitable So that by thiâ— Popery should refine not pollute tâ—â— truth of God Thus vnhappy aâ—â— you in your similitudes all along But good God what spirit possesseth this man that hee thus chasetâ— our Diuine and harmelesse Bishop who doth not so much argue for truth as beautifie and adorne it We all know that similitudes are brought to illustrate that which is already proued or taken for granted in the iudgement of the wisest no man vseth them as Arguments Our Reuerend Prelate intended not a disputation or if any not against any but the Romish Church How commeth it to passe that while hee forcibly bends himselfe against them he is by mis-construction made to plead for them and all his louely similitudes set vpon the racke as if they nourished some vnheard off monster When hee perceiued that vpon the first Edition of his Booke some as hee well hoped through ignorance rather â—han obstinacy were offended hee straight way addresseth himselfe to relieue those whom hee had no way harmed rectifying their iudgements that will yeelde to instruction and by a iudicious Apologie fully satisfying the truth and all that are impartiall louers thereof here hee speaketh home to the matter and leaueth no scruple vnresolued In this Mr. Burton can bee content to gleane taking vp now and then a sentence yet propounding more than he answers but for the former discourse hee lets not a tittle thereof fall to the ground vnsifted answering twenty lines with twenty pages But could neither his grauity his place nor his well-deseruings of the Church preuaile for him but he must needes come vnder the ferule or hath hee onely faulted in this kinde Surely no but furious persons strike them that come first in their way But what superstition doth your Limbecke extract out of the Similitude pâ—â— 38. taken from Papinians ruled case That a sacred place loseth not the holinesse with the demolished walls Doth the Reuerend Bishop intend any thing but this That whatsoeuer is once dedicated to God ought not for euer to bee alienated it still in despite of malice and profanenesse remaineth his to whom it was intitled What haue wee then now to doe with beliuesse infused or affixed by any solemne act of consecration and for edifying the Faith of Christians he hath oftentimes like a true Scribe instructed for the Kingdome of Heauen brought out of his treasures both old and new Prouision for that purpose and is not yet drawne dry Comparisons as all other parts of learning he knoweth how to vse in their due place rather to helpe the vnderstanding than to beget Faith CHAP. V. Whether the diuorce bee sued out on Gods part or on the Church of Romes part THe Bishop goeth on If the Church of Rome were once the Spouse of â—hrist and her Adulteries are knowne yet the diuorce is not sued out that is Though she haue rebelled against God and on her part broken his Couenant yet hee hath not quite reiected her as yet Against this Mr. Buâ—ton takes in hand to proue pa. 3â— that on both parts this diuorce is formally sued out On her part because pa. 40. 41. c. faith he shee hath in the face of Men and Angels openly plainely expresly denyed Christ for her Husband For proofe whereof wee haue a Bull of Pope Pius 4. produced at large and from thence hee is not ashamed to affirme that Christ is therein as solemnly pa. 42. renounced as wee in our Baptisme renounce the Diuell and all his workes when there is not so much as one word or syllable of renouncing Christ there mentioned But this will come more fitly to bee examined anon when wee enquire how Christ is denyed in the Councell of Trent In the meane time let vs enquire how on Christs part the â—iuorce is sued out And that is in the Book of the Reuelation where she is called the Whoore and Come out of her my People pa. 43. c. Whence it is inferred If she bee Babylon If she be the Whoore shee is no longer Christs Spowse Answ Not onely of Israel but of Iudah was it said that the faithfull Esay 1. City was become a Harlot And God by his Prophets expostulates with them calling them a generation of Miscreants Witches children the seede of the Adulterer and the Whoore yet it cannot bee denied Esay 57. 3. but the Sheepe of his Visible flocke they continued euen in the depth of their disobedience and rebellion Now if it seeme strange to any that the Church of God while she playeth the Whoore should still be his Wife let them know that the Visible Church is but equiuocally called the Spowse of Christ For properly the Church Inuisible the Mysticall body of Christ is onely his true Spowse and shee is a pure Virgin without spot or wrinkle beeing washed in the blood of the Lamb. Those that outwardly professing Christ make vp the Visible Church we charitably presume to be members of his mysticall bodie for which cause wee call them his Spouse also But when wee speake of Babylon and the Whore in the Reuelation and apply it to Rome wee denie absolutely that the Church of Rome is Babylon that is all those which liuing in that Religion make vp one If thereby wee vnderstand a companie of mâ—n but if Babyâ—on bee a â—lace then we must vnderstaâ—d thereby the â—â—â— of Antichrist Bodie or Societie but * Bablyon is a faction in that Church Are not the Whore and Antichrist the same Now what can be more absurd than to thinke the whole Church of Rome The Antichrist Antichrist was to seduce those that dwell vpon the face of the earth the Whore was to bewitch the nations now the Seducer and the Seduced the witch and the bewitched are not one As I take it we are to reioice at the downefall of the Whore but God forbid that wee should reioice at the Destruction of euery member of the Church of Rome but rather with teares beseech God for their conuersion And therefore good M. Burton now the learned Bishops distinction takes not place
the faith of euerie particular man much lesse is euerie Idiot chargeable with the damâ—â—blenesse of those doctrines Lastly saith he formerly the Church of Rome was the true Church but had in it aâ— Hereticall faction now the Church iâ— selfe is Hereticall and some certaiâ—e onely are found in it in such degreey Orthodoxie as that wee may hope wâ—â— of their saluation Loe Mr. Burtâ—â— the Church of Rome is now Hereticall not no Church at all for Heresie as wee haue shewed taketh not away the being of a Church and there is hope of some mens saluation liuing in that Communion which you deny in euery page Thus the worthy Deane of Glocester hath not a word against vs but for vs and you are no lesse vnfortunate in your Authorities than before you were in your Similitudes Now vicem redde let vs be as much beholding to you as you are to vs and tell vs what you answer to those formall passages alledged out of the said Reuerend Author in his Appendix See our reuerend Bishops Apology to the Treatise of the Church where hee is clearly for vs That the Romish Church is a part of the Catholicke Church of God shewing it likewise to be the Tenent of the greatest Diuines of our side In this you are silent and passe it ouer siccopede with a dry foote as the Prouerb is And therefore whereas you afterwards tell vs of a many Shels in the pag. 46. Church of Rome the Shell of the Scriptures the Shell of the Creede the Shell of the Sacraments and the like you had done much better to fit downe and cracke nuts than to trouble the world with such empty discourse Nucleum amisit reliqâ—iâ— pignori put omina CHAP. VIII Mr. Burtons exceptions against soâ—e passages in the Reuerend Bishops Apologie THus Mr. Burton hauing done with the Reuerend Bishops Rhetoricall discourse hee comes to take notice of what he hath more seriously layd downe in an Apologeticall aduertisement ioyned to the second edition of his Booke And here whiles pag. â—â— hee expects from the Bishop an ingenuous recantation of his errour loâ— a constant asseueration of the truth and the Reuerend Bishop is heartily pitied that hee is not mutable But consider Mr. Burton that if hee had retracted that which you thinke his errour all your former paints had beene lost and for the rest how would you haue done for a genuine interpretation of St. Iohns meaning in the powring out of the second Viall As for your pity bestow it somewhere else he hath no neede of it rather pity your selfe that it was your lot to fall vpon so weake a cause and to meet with so strong an Aduersarie But let vs see what are his exceptions against the Reuerend Bishops second thoughts First it is not enough for Mr. Burton that hee thus distinguisheth referring Visible to outward Profession True to some essentiall Principles of Christianitie neither of them to soundnesse of beliefe that so though the Church of Rome be a true Visible Church yet is she not a true beleeuing Church Acutely and admirably What reasonable man would not this satisfie Why doth not this please him Because he denieth any being at all to her and pag. 48. that which is not is not Visible Thus nothing but the bloud the life of the Church of Rome will satisfie his zealous thirst But heare what hee obiects Vnder correction is outward Profession a sufficient Marke of Visibility for a Church Ridicule What is Visible in a Church but that which shee professeth Or if you will not referre Visible to outward Profession whereunto will you refer it But this is none of those Markes 〈◊〉 pag. 48. which the Church of England takes notice of a Church by The Word preached and the Sacraments administred make her a Church but her Profession makes her Visible But they are the Synagogue of Sathan which call themselues Iewes and are not and the Samaritans feared God but they serued Idols withall and so doth the Church of Rome therefore it followeth that shee neyther feareth God nor doth after his Lawes True it followeth very well Adde to this that which elsewhere you teach What is it generally to professe Christ and particularly 7. Vâ—alls pa. 25. to haue no interest in him to professe the foundation but not to be built vpon it But all this while you are besides the cause here is an Homonymie you argue from the Church Visible to the Church Mysticall and Inuisible and fallacies Mr. Burton are no demonstrations Many things exclude a man from Heauen as well errours in manners as Faith which doe not exclude him from the Visible Church hee that would haue saluation by true Faith must be made a member of the Mysticall body of Christ Doth not the Reuerend Bishop tell vs that Visibilitie auaileth not to saluation and the Church of Rome that Their danger is more Visible thâ—n their Church Wherein then hath hee offended But to what purpose is it that you entertaine vs with a tedious discourse of the Visible Church all the while neyther telling vs what the Church is nor what is Visibilitie * Thus his dâ—spuâ—ing iâ— nothing but equiuocation all along by these ambiguous proceedings deceiuing the simple whereas a fair distinction if it might take place would make all friends Sometimes indeed you shew vs the Church clad in her glorious apparrell that thereby we may take notice of her but what if Briers rend her cloathes and dirt defile her goodly garments doth shee then cease to be a Church Surely no. Now it being obiected that the Church of Rome holdeth some Essentiall Principles of Christianity first you confesse it then contradicting pag. 4â— your selfe you deny it saying That shee hath professedly abiured Christ thereby also gaine-saying what euen now you granted namely that sheâ— professeth to feare God for how can shee professe to feare him and yet professedly abiure him CHAP. IX Whether Papists be Christians IN the next place Mr. Burton is so oppressed with the weight of the Bishops reasoning that hee sees not which way to turne himselfe Grant the Romanists to bee but Christians how corrupt soeuer and wee cannot deny them the name of a Church This is Gordians knot which because he cannot vntye Alexander-like hee cuts it But why should we grant them pag. 49 to bee Christians Not Christians Of what Sect then are they Iewes or Turkes or Pagans We know no other Sects in the world Nay they are worse than these yea worse than the Diuels themselues as hee affirmes in the next page I neuer yet heard by a sober man that any greater fault than Heresie was layd to their charge Now he that is an Hereticke is necessarily a Christian for he that is not a Christian cannot be an Hereticke Olim qui Haeretici non inter Tureas Epiâ—â—oâ— Winton Tortura Torti pag. 304. aut Iudaeos aut Ethnicos censebantur neque nisi qui de