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A60360 The predestinated thief A dialogue betwixt a rigid Calvinian preacher and a condemned malefactor. In which is not onely represented how the Calvinistical opinion occasions the perpetration of wickedness and impieties; but moreover how it doth impede and hinder, nay almost impossibilitate the reducing of a sinner to emendation and repentance. Slatius, Henry, 1585-1623. 1658 (1658) Wing S3982A; ESTC R220063 24,121 82

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either good or evil for that decree g Perk. ut supra concerning reprobated Infants is so born and died and damned as it were all in an instant for the guilt of orignall and innate sin which they brought into the world with them and for this cause h Calv. ad calumn Neb. ad Art 13 14. many children are taken out of this world and God as it were snatches the tender Infant from its mothers breast and throwes it headlong into eternall death but what is more God does not onely deal so with the children of Jews Turks Infidels but i Donteclock in pacif lit L. also with the baptised children of Christians and believers that some of them dying in their Infancy are damned Whether all the children of Believing parents dying such shall certainly and undonbtedly be saved the word of God is silent but I dare say a little more with Infants l Rippert in Colloq p. 802. which die in Christ before they are able to do good or evil 't is thus they must either be saved by grace or damned by nature as children of wrath as well as others Truly Mr. Parson this is harsh Doctrine for him who is bound to observe your Creed so that I scarce understand what to make of it Pr. But heare friend m Pareus Rom. c. 2. quest 9. if it be in the power and liberty of man to kill an Oxe or a Sheep for his use to hunt an Hare or Partridge to death for his pleasure much more does it lye in the will and freedom of the Creator without any injustice to reject or desert his creature for his own glory nay 't is a thousand times equaller that all the creatures both in heaven and earth should by their generall and eternall destruction demonstrate the divine glory and majestie then that the death of one single Fly or Gnat should go for the demonstrating of the glory of all the men in the world And this in God is not to be spoken against but prayed against and the elect cannot but give God thanks that he has condemned the wicked although he did decree them to it because he reprobated them for their good and to testifie how great his love was towards them nay the very damned have not whereof to complain but rather to give thanks for though they be fitted to destruction God fitted them not to it in vain but for many special ends and principally his own glory Th. And for this very cause n Gomar disp de Praedest pag. 105 106. I have often thought we reprobates ought to be so much the quieter for if private and peculiar good were onely to be looked after it were better not to live at all than to live a little or be a while a dying till we plunge into eternal death yet for a publick and universal good in this world the contrary to wit Damnation is better that the particular may serve for the good of the whole and the Creature make way for the glory of its Creator Therefore although in the middle of Summer my nostrils should be frozen up close yet nevertheless I might be in a possibility of smelling that it would be though we be cast into hell by God tormented yet we shall be forced to thank him that he has honoured us his Creatures with so divine a service because the o Gomar disp de Praedest pag. 105 106. dignity of the chief glory of God and of the elect is so great an advantage that the Elect by an absolute inward propensity actuated by the Spirit of God would wish if it were possible though by their own proper damnation and destruction the salvation of reprobated Jews though unbelieving and obstinate So that this same ran often in my minde how exceedingly happy shall even we the reprobated be Pr. You seem to me to have used all the industry and weighed all the Arguments that are or can be said or done about this Argument of Reprobation yet it behoved you onely to have led your life by that Word and Doctrine by which he call'd you Th. I do not deny truly but that this same Reprobation hath a long time had deep impression in me and being often troubled with it satisfied my self thus The reprobated cannot at all obey God nor believe nor convert nor justifie nor save p Musc L C. de elect c. 10. themselves though God himself should call them and therefore are not converted because God will not have it so q Trig. D●f fol. 156. Calv. in Ezek. 18. 23. nay God does offer his grace both in his Word and Sacraments to some Reprobates within the pale of the Church not to that end r Anthon Thys in Doct. Ord. Eccles Reform p. 21. f. 216 217. that they should be saved by those means but on the contrary that they might have less excuse than others and might be more severely punished in the end Pr. All this is as true as truth it self s Calv. Instit lib. 3. c. 24. dist 12. for whom God has call'd to the ignominy of life and certainty of eternal death that they should be the instruments of his wrath and examples of his Justice he deprives of the faculty of hearing his Word and afterwards more and more blinds and hardens them that they may be brought to those ends to which he has appointed them Oftentimes also t Id. lib. 3. c. 2. dist 11. there is such a faith found in Reprobates which has a great affinity and similitude with the faith of the very Elect and experience teaches us that oftentimes they are carried with the same motion and sense that the elect are so that oftentimes they judge themselves to be such in truth and in deed and sometimes it happens u Beza in brev explic c. 7. Aphor. 6 7. that some are so lift up by the help of grace it self that they think they taste of the joyes to come and are really ingrafted into the true Church so that they mayshew others the way of life and believe judge of themselves no otherwise then that they are elected O how miserable are these men who ascend but to fall the lower and that God might cast them many stories lower into Hell Th. And truly I knew this very well and therefore so much the more avoided all Exhortations Sermons and reading of the Word and abandoned all good works lest my blindness should be greater and my damnation heavier Nay and did affirm x Donteclock adv Pacif. lit L. 1. as it is not the purpose and minde of God to save those hereafter which he does not call here so neither those Reprobates which he does call here because it does not please him to give them faith and repentance without which they cannot be saved God y Trigland Apol. fol. 135. requires worship and obedience from all men but has not decreed to give all men the