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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A37268	A particular ansvver to a book intituled, The clergy in their colours	J. D. (John Davy)	1651 (1651)	Wing D443; ESTC R14910	35,669	50

more then reformation were not the scope of your intention In the same Page you make the Clergy the main Incendiaries in stirring up people against the Parliament and this too must be set upon the common head as the fault of the whole Clergy whereas all the Christian world knows had it not been for what influence the Clergy had upon the people there had long ere this time been no Parliament to be opposed In pag. 40. You upbraid the Clergy with being beholden to a Lexicons and you might as well have said a Horn-book or Primar for to them they may have been beholden too what disparagement is it for the highest building to have had its foundation low in the earth or if you mean the constant use of it no mans memory is infinite We know but in part and prophesie but in part 1 Cor. 13 8 10 11. And yet for all this you say some of them have such bold foreheads c. more skill then the Septuagint Sir it being acknowledged by the Church that the 70. were not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I know not why a modest man having more then 70. times 70. of his judgement may not as well cleave to these as to them their translation as well as others being subject to disquisition And what if a Minister not so much as they Master of the Languages meet with one of the errors of the Seventy in which they did 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as is observed by the learned is it ever the lesse true in his mouth because he was not the first that discovered it In p. 41. Because they know many of the Lay-men are good Scholars and better then many of them c. they are in Orders forsooth c. These words of yours are inconsistent with Piety and Polity First They are against Piety for never did any people how barbarous soever worship a God who did not also acknowledge a Priest And yet if the naturall Law had been quite extinguished sacred Orders are evidently grounded upon the Word of God and have been with reverence admitted in all ages of the Church It was not the least circumstance aggravating the sin of Jeroboam that in his time who would might consecrate himself and become Priest of the high places and yet they were not so irreligious as to serve without some kinde of consecration To what hath been already said to this purpose I shall only adde here this one Text more Rom. 10.15 Who can preach except he besent dejure I suppose all men understand it not de facto and Origens many errors have in the judgement of the Church been imputed to his so long neglect of Orders But they derive their title from the Bishops whom you say they will not own That I may speak my minde freely I think that Presbyters in taking off Episcopall propts did but as it were pull an old house on their head and it would have made more for the good of the Church if Episcopacy had stood with its due regulation But so it comes to passe through the deceitfulnesse of our hearts that When Gods cause and our own concurre we are apt Jehu like to drive furiously and truly I think many of the Presbyters ●hom I deservedly honour as well as the people following their humour have not been free of envy or coveteousnesse in prosecution of that design of which by this time it may have repented them But whether they acknowledge them for Bishops or no it is sure they never disallowed them as Ministers and what then will their receiving their call from them make to your purpose M. Luther renounced his Monastick life because it was not allowed by the Word of God to vow what was not in the votists power but he never renounced his Order although received in the Popish manner no more did any other of the martyred Bishops and other Ministers as far as I remember who deserted the Romish Church as well as he We mistake the Church of Rome if we imagine it so full of errour as to have had no truth left in it For certain it is not so much corrupted as were the 10. Tribes during the reign of 19. Kings successively in Israel and he that well observes the state of the Jewish Church in the daies of our Saviour will finde it scarce so good as the Romish Church now But howsoever if Orders be given and received now with us according to that direction which the Apostles left and the primitive Saints practised what need we trouble our selves with any intermediats 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 said Ignatius and therefore as to themselves they need not regard your horrid sarcasm in these following words By which impsition of hands the holy Ghost is conveyed into them as it was brought out of Scotland in a Cloak-bag And why is it not conferred because all such gifts as some had in the Apostles time are not given the second temple of Jerusalem might then have been disallowed for that it wanted besides magnitude and statelinesse of structure 1. The Ark of God 2. The Vrim and Thummim 3. The glory of God appearing between the Cherubims 4 The fire that descended from Heaven and consumed the sacrifices 5. The immediate gift of prophecie for from the daies of Malachi to John the Baptist they had only what they call 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And yet the Prophet Hag. 2.9 saith the glory of the second house shall exceed that of the first But as the name of God is by you in these words abused so all good men ought to be troubled for the same expression is recorded for a most blasphemous Proverb in the History of the Councell of Trent translated out of Italian by Sir N. Brent lib. 6 pag 497. Although I know not whether Hezekiah's command concerning Rabshakeh be not here observable Answer him not Now the Lord himself behold and judge who most abuseth his holy Name you or the Presbyters for mine own part I have no more to say to it but The Lord rebuke thee But secondly This sentence is inconsistent with good Polity for what confusion must needs be brought into a Common-wealth by means not being allowed the free use of their vocation but that every man who supposeth himself able for another mans calling shall take his place from him The Vtopians to avoid unnecessary professions were every man to make his own cloathes but the prudent States-man who devised it never dream'd of such an ataxie as you would bring in who make no complaint of the vainest superfluity and yet purposely oppose that which is the one thing necessary But I should wrong the cause in hand by being beholden to any lower proof then the voice of Gods Spirit seeing you deny your self to be an Antiscripturist What can be plainer then that of the Apostle 1 Cor. 7.24 What calling any man is in let him therein abide Or that of Peter where he reprehends as worthy of punishment 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉

he never work with them It was well foreseen of you therefore while you made an exception in your instance saying some of the Prophets and many Apostles but why you should put our Saviour Christ into your illiterate catalogue I know not unless that when it shall be proved impertinent to the main question in this particular you may limit it to your immediatly-foregoing assertion to which you have it may be for that cause sophistically annexed it And as for all those you speak of recorded by Mr Fox in his Acts and Monuments although they were children in Learning yet they stood on mens shoulders and might therefore see further then a Popish Polyphemus For I hope you cannot deny God made use of many famous lights of Learning for illumination of the unlearned people of that time some of which went to heaven in fiery Charets with them Christ called indeed unlearned men but he taught them what was necessary to their Apostleship while they preached only to the Jews and that within the limits of their own Country where the Hebrew tongue was well enough understood as appears Acts 21.40 although they used the Syrian Dialect But after our Saviour his Ascention when they were to teach all Nations the gift of Tongues as thereto requisite was conferred upon them And as Manna ceased when the children of Israel came into the Land of Canaan so extraordinary gifts ceased when God had by ordinary provided for the propagation of Religion So that to inhibit the use of learning in our Preachers of the Gospel were as irrational as to have forbidden the Israelites eating the fruits of Canaan because they had Manna in the Wilderness Presently after you make an odious parallel with Romish Wolves and Presbyterian Pastors affirming that as they so these hold it dangerous for such people to breath by whom their pomp and gallantry is like to fall Now Sir I require you to prove this bloudy accusation and to make it appear that the Grandees of the Presbyterian faction as you call them bare such mortall hatred against any people in England for Religions sake as the Popish Priests in Q. Maries daies had against all people of reformed Religion or else I shall hold you guilty of a malicious untruth for so speaking And yet as if this were a small matter to make them homicides you would make them murderers of souls too by affirming that As the Popish Clergie debard the common people from reading the Scriptures so these had rather people spent their time in reading of tales or following their worldly affairs but when they are hearing them speaking contradictions c. Now I am sure that I am compassed about with clouds of witnesses who will testifie with me that we never found cause of such suspition but the Ministers of the Gospel do alwaies exhort to reading and meditation of the Word of God or if any such had been we have not wanted time and means enough to displace them since the beginning of this Parliament Yet still your charge runs generally against the Clergy as if quatenus Clergy they were the greatest enemies to the Church of God And yet if you were not over-biassed with prejudice you would confess with me that the same men you inveigh against have been the instruments of what good God hath wrought in your soul either by their word or writings Good Sir do but examine when did you first come out of nature and by what means and do not with Themistocles his Hart crop that bush in a calm that sheltred you in a storm Or if it be not true by your self yet sure it is that multitudes of gracious souls will acknowledge men of that calling for their ghostly Fathers And what greater seal of an Apostleship can be desired then what the Apostle speaks of 1 Cor. 9.2 in these words If I am not an Apostle to others doubtless I am one to you for the seal of my Apostleship are ye in the Lord. As therefore that Potentate said of his government Call it what you will but by it I keep the people in good order So may I say of the calling of the Ministers amongst us Call it you what you please I am sure the word in their mouth is by the grace of God accompanying it made the power of God unto salvation This is it that excited me otherwise studious of obscurity to make my self I know not yet how publique spectacle and Aegles-like to force nature upon the sight of injurious dealing for I am neither Parson Vicar nor Curate and might notwithstanding any private interest have been silent but the Cause is Gods on whom I depend and may therefore say with the Lepers 2 King 7.9 I do not well to hold my peace And indeed should the redeemed of the Lord that have had the knowledge and love of God wrought in them by our publique Ministry be silent when such indignities are cast upon it it were enough to make as our Saviour saith in the Gospel the stones to cry that I may not say to cry out against them and to condemn their ingratitude In page 4. you carp at the distinction of Clergie and Laity but for what reason we may go look though things in themselves be distinct by nature yet they cannot in discourse be distinguished without several names whereof your own practice gives experience in the title of your Book viz. The Clergie in their Colours which if you say was done for distinctions sake that we might know of whom you speak as p. 45. grant us the same liberty and we ask no more It 's a question whether you know how the first of your family came by his name and yet you will think it cannot with justice be taken from you But the Clergy have besides Antiquity Etymologie for their name being so called from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a Lot because they are instead of the Levites the Lot of Gods and God of their Inheritance in especial manner for in a larger sense it is applied to all the faithfull 1 Pet. 5.3 and so are the Saints called Priests too although not by their particular but general calling of Christianity and so all the Lords people might without offence be called holy but yet when these same words were usurped by Korah in opposition to the holiness of the Priests Office God punished that schism of his with a stranger schism of the earth that swallowed him up Nor is the word therefore less pertinent because Clergy-men are not now chosen by a sortilegium as was Matthias for Apostles were a distinct degree of Ministers and to be chosen by God himself But however we are not so much in usuall words to regard a quo as ad quid and in every Art we must keep the same terms it hath been exprest in aforetime or else we can neither understand nor be understood My lot is faln to me in a fair ground saith David Psal 16. alluding to the manner