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not_o forbid_v circumcision_n shall_v we_o also_o collect_v and_o conclude_v because_o the_o lord_n ezech._n 16._o 20._o 21._o cale_v the_o child_n of_o those_o idolator_n who_o they_o offer_v to_o mâ—lech_n his_o son_n and_o daughter_n that_o therefore_o the_o kingdom_n of_o israel_n &_o juda_n while_o they_o remain_v in_o these_o horrible_a sin_n be_v outward_o in_o that_o estate_n the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n or_o be_v this_o great_a prophet_n so_o inconversant_a in_o the_o scripture_n that_o he_o yet_o understand_v not_o this_o usual_a kind_n of_o phrase_n and_o manner_n of_o speak_v where_o the_o lord_n in_o sundry_a place_n cale_v they_o his_o son_n daughter_n and_o people_n in_o respect_n of_o their_o first_o cal_v who_o in_o regard_n of_o their_o present_a evil_a life_n he_o pronownce_v not_o to_o be_v he_o as_o deutronomie_n 32._o the_o 19_o and_o 5_o verse_n micha_n 2._o 7._o 8_o 9_o amos._n 8._o 2._o and_o no_o where_o more_o plain_o then_o in_o this_o ezech._n 16._o as_o be_v easy_a to_o demonstrate_v by_o the_o least_o touch_v of_o the_o argument_n of_o that_o chapter_n the_o lord_n there_o set_v before_o their_o face_n by_o sundry_a allegory_n their_o estate_n even_o from_o their_o original_n unto_o that_o present_a time_n of_o what_o parent_n theâ—_n by_o nature_n spring_v in_o what_o plight_n he_o find_v they_o at_o the_o first_o all_o imbrue_v in_o their_o mother_n and_o their_o own_o guiltiness_n their_o navel_n uncut_a unwashed_a unsalted_a unswade_v cast_v out_o into_o the_o open_a field_n no_o hand_n to_o help_v no_o eye_n to_o pity_v unable_a to_o help_v themselves_o until_o the_o lord_n show_v mercy_n take_v they_o up_o cherish_v nourish_v they_o enter_v into_o covenant_n and_o swear_v unto_o they_o so_o that_o they_o grow_v up_o into_o ripe_a year_n than_o he_o spread_v his_o garment_n over_o they_o wash_v and_o anoint_a they_o clothe_v they_o with_o broydred_a garment_n fine_a linen_n silck_n scarlet_a adorn_v they_o with_o gold_n silver_n precious_a stone_n feed_v they_o with_o meal_n wine_n oil_n set_v a_o beautiful_a crown_n upon_o their_o head_n and_o marry_v they_o open_o unto_o himself_o and_o spread_v their_o name_n amongst_o the_o heathen_a but_o now_o israel_n wax_v proud_a of_o her_o own_o beauty_n play_v the_o harlot_n build_v high_a place_n and_o deck_v they_o with_o her_o garment_n and_o play_v the_o whore_n upon_o they_o make_v image_n of_o th'instrument_n and_o of_o the_o lord_n gold_n and_o silver_n which_o he_o give_v they_o and_o commit_v fornication_n with_o they_o offer_v the_o lord_n meat_n flower_n oil_n unto_o they_o as_o a_o sweet_a savour_n yea_o sacrifice_v their_o own_o son_n and_o daughter_n unto_o they_o commit_v fornication_n with_o the_o egyptian_n assyrians_n chaldaean_n and_o that_o in_o most_o shameful_a sort_n and_o vile_o hire_v they_o with_o the_o lord_n gold_n &_o silver_n of_o his_o temple_n etc._n etc._n wherefore_o the_o lord_n do_v pronounce_v and_o repudiate_v they_o as_o a_o harlot_n as_o a_o most_o filthy_a poisonous_a monstruous_a whore_n 9_o and_o denownce_v judgment_n against_o they_o as_o against_o murderer_n and_o adulterer_n 22_o and_o these_o judgment_n to_o be_v execute_v by_o these_o their_o lover_n who_o shall_v break_v down_o their_o city_n and_o high_a place_n and_o slay_v they_o with_o the_o sword_n the_o lord_n not_o only_o compare_v they_o but_o show_v they_o to_o exceed_v sodom_n and_o samaria_n in_o sin_n &_o iniquity_n etc._n etc._n who_o then_o but_o this_o perverse_a fellow_n can_v thus_o stomble_v and_o cavil_v at_o these_o word_n my_o son_n and_o my_o daughter_n and_o wrest_v they_o not_o only_o against_o the_o whole_a scope_n of_o that_o chapter_n but_o even_o of_o the_o whole_a bible_n whether_o these_o word_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o all_o their_o seed_n which_o be_v at_o the_o first_o together_o with_o they_o receive_v into_o the_o lord_n covenant_n or_o of_o their_o first_o bear_v only_o which_o by_o a_o peculiar_a right_n &_o law_n be_v reserve_v unto_o the_o lord_n exod._n 13._o 2._o which_o first_o bear_v they_o be_v blame_v in_o the_o 20._o chapter_n of_o the_o same_o prophecy_n verse_n the_o 26._o and_o 31._o to_o have_v offer_v unto_o idol_n may_v be_v some_o question_n yet_o with_o no_o sense_n or_o truth_n they_o may_v be_v understand_v as_o of_o the_o lord_n elect_v and_o adopt_a childeren_n or_o pronownce_v that_o holy_a seed_n be_v the_o child_n of_o such_o rebellious_a obstinate_a idolator_n how_o often_o do_v the_o lord_n call_v they_o by_o his_o prophet_n rebellious_a child_n a_o adulterous_a nation_n shall_v we_o therefore_o conclude_v that_o they_o be_v the_o lord_n child_n the_o lord_n spouse_n or_o rather_o pronounce_v from_o the_o just_a law_n of_o the_o lord_n that_o rebellious_a child_n and_o adulterous_a wife_n ought_v to_o be_v produce_v repudiat_fw-la and_o put_v to_o death_n deut._n 21._o 18._o leu._n 20._o 10._o far_o we_o read_v the_o lord_n to_o denownce_v extraordinary_a &_o speedy_a judgment_n not_o only_o against_o they_o that_o offer_v of_o their_o â—eede_n unto_o moleth_n but_o against_o that_o whole_a nation_n that_o dissemble_v or_o suffer_v that_o sin_n among_o they_o levit._fw-la 20._o how_o then_o can_v this_o ignorant_a priest_n collect_v &_o conclude_v from_o these_o word_n my_o son_n &_o my_o daughter_n which_o be_v speak_v but_o to_o convince_v &_o aggravate_v their_o sin_n and_o judgement_n to_o stimulate_v and_o wound_n their_o conscience_n that_o these_o child_n of_o these_o idolator_n thus_o offer_v to_o molech_n be_v of_o we_o to_o be_v judge_v the_o holy_a seed_n of_o the_o lord_n within_o his_o covenant_n or_o these_o idolator_n in_o this_o estate_n to_o be_v judge_v the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n can_v they_o together_o serve_v god_n and_o idol_n together_o break_v and_o keep_v the_o covenant_n if_o mr._n giffard_n can_v by_o his_o learning_n prove_v this_o true_a then_o peradventure_o we_o shall_v believe_v he_o that_o y_fw-es â—_o kingdom_n of_o israel_n in_o their_o schism_n &_o defection_n have_v erect_v new_a temple_n priest_n altar_n law_n be_v defile_v with_o all_o the_o abomination_n of_o the_o heathen_a despise_v &_o persequâ—ted_v the_o lord_n his_o prophet_n which_o be_v send_v to_o they_o &c_n &c_n be_v to_o be_v hold_v of_o we_o the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n then_o peradventure_o he_o may_v persuade_v we_o that_o the_o kingdom_n of_o judâ—_n in_o this_o apostasye_a have_v as_o this_o prophet_n ezech._n show_v in_o his_o 8._o chapter_n bring_v all_o manner_n abomination_n into_o the_o temple_n &_o defile_v the_o whole_a land_n as_o we_o read_v in_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o prophecy_n be_v also_o by_o we_o to_o be_v esteem_v the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n be_v it_o a_o good_a reason_n for_o mr._n giffard_n to_o say_v because_o the_o whole_a land_n be_v so_o thorough_o defile_v that_o it_o can_v neither_o by_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n nor_o by_o civil_a iudgmente_n be_v purge_v that_o therefore_o it_o remain_v still_o the_o church_n in_o that_o estate_n be_v not_o this_o to_o say_v they_o have_v not_o thus_o sin_v because_o their_o sin_n be_v incuriable_a that_o they_o have_v not_o commit_v adultery_n murder_n idolatry_n because_o they_o be_v not_o present_o stone_v slay_v by_o the_o sword_n burn_v but_o howsoever_o they_o &_o their_o false_a prophet_n bless_v themselves_o in_o these_o sin_n boast_v of_o vain_a title_n of_o the_o temple_n and_o people_n of_o the_o lord_n 15._o yet_o the_o lord_n for_o those_o sin_n do_v in_o his_o due_a time_n execute_v these_o iudgmente_n upon_o the_o whole_a land_n 4._o and_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n his_o law_n &_o prophet_n speak_v plain_o 9_o that_o these_o iudgmente_n be_v due_a unto_o they_o in_o this_o estate_n and_o as_o well_o may_v this_o false_a prophet_n justify_v the_o jew_n now_o to_o be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n in_o this_o time_n of_o their_o apostasy_n whereof_o he_o speak_v because_o the_o lord_n now_o among_o and_o in_o the_o loin_n of_o these_o wicked_a one_o reserve_v to_o himself_o a_o holy_a seed_n a_o remnant_n it_o will_v not_o help_v he_o to_o say_v that_o the_o vyrie-yarde_n be_v not_o then_o utter_o take_v from_o the_o jew_n as_o it_o be_v now_o for_o though_o the_o lord_n time_n to_o abolish_v that_o material_a jerusalem_n that_o he_o may_v bring_v in_o &_o erect_v the_o spiritual_a be_v not_o as_o then_o accomplish_v though_o you_o â—_o lord_n in_o his_o wisdom_n mercy_n and_o patience_n and_o for_o cause_n know_v to_o himself_o do_v oft_o defer_v his_o iudgmente_n yet_o may_v not_o we_o thereby_o flatter_v ourselves_o or_o justify_v our_o estate_n while_o we_o remain_v under_o the_o condemnation_n of_o his_o write_a law_n and_o in_o open_a wilful_a breach_n of_o his_o covenant_n yea_o howsoever_o the_o lord_n now_o have_v
lord_n then_o have_v their_o church_n of_o england_n also_o occasion_n to_o rejoice_v but_o if_o the_o prophet_n every_o where_o have_v denownce_v the_o fearful_a judgment_n of_o god_n against_o they_o then_o will_v not_o their_o false_a prophet_n untempered_a plaster_n and_o lie_v divination_n of_o peace_n help_v they_o in_o that_o day_n but_o now_o mr._n giffard_n procee_v to_o the_o second_o part_n of_o th'assumption_n which_o he_o first_o forge_v and_o now_o refute_v in_o our_o name_n wherein_o he_o will_v needs_o make_v we_o to_o say_v though_o it_o never_o enter_v into_o our_o thought_n that_o their_o church_n of_o england_n have_v no_o power_n to_o cast_v forth_o any_o by_o excommunication_n and_o herein_o he_o say_v we_o speak_v very_o false_o for_o the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v some_o power_n to_o excommunicate_v we_o have_v already_o show_v how_o he_o have_v change_v and_o falsify_v our_o reason_n leave_v out_o &_o alter_v what_o he_o list_v and_o take_v no_o more_o 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and_o use_v in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n against_o every_o obstinate_a offender_n unpartial_o &_o orderly_o according_a to_o the_o rule_v thereunto_o prescribe_v the_o whole_a church_n with_o one_o consent_n in_o the_o name_n &_o power_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n give_v up_o such_o a_o one_o unto_o satan_n for_o the_o destruction_n of_o the_o flesh_n 5._o that_o the_o spirit_n may_v be_v save_v in_o y_z e_z day_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o this_o public_o in_o the_o open_a church_n when_o the_o whole_a congregation_n be_v gather_v together_o neither_o may_v such_o excommunicate_a be_v receive_v again_o but_o of_o the_o whole_a congregation_n upon_o his_o public_a repentance_n in_o the_o assembly_n it_o be_v needle_n to_o demonstrate_v the_o monstrous_a abuse_n of_o this_o their_o popish_a excommunication_n in_o particular_a and_o how_o contrary_a it_o be_v in_o every_o point_n unto_o the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n see_v this_o may_v ready_o be_v do_v of_o the_o reader_n by_o compare_v their_o description_n together_o especial_o see_v this_o adversary_n himself_o dare_v not_o undertake_v the_o defence_n thereof_o but_o say_v that_o though_o their_o excommunication_n do_v not_o bind_v in_o heaven_n yet_o it_o be_v of_o force_n to_o remove_v from_o the_o society_n of_o their_o assembly_n which_o prove_v our_o accusation_n false_a because_o we_o reason_n about_o this_o outward_a removinge_v very_o good_a but_o may_v this_o outward_a remove_n or_o cast_v out_o of_o the_o church_n be_v without_o the_o power_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n or_o by_o any_o other_o power_n or_o be_v not_o such_o as_o be_v cast_v out_o by_o the_o power_n of_o christ_n bownde_v in_o heaven_n can_v any_o other_o power_n in_o heaven_n or_o in_o hell_n separate_v any_o of_o god_n his_o childeren_n from_o the_o love_n of_o christ_n and_o cut_v off_o any_o of_o christ_n member_n from_o his_o body_n or_o may_v the_o church_n be_v subject_a touch_v these_o spiritual_a iudgmente_n and_o censure_n to_o any_o other_o power_n or_o voice_n then_o unto_o the_o power_n and_o voice_n of_o christ_n execute_v or_o confirm_v any_o other_o judgment_n than_o thâ—_n indgmente_n of_o christ_n or_o may_v any_o mortal_a man_n thus_o presume_v into_o the_o very_a throne_n and_o office_n of_o christ_n do_v not_o all_o the_o elder_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n cast_v down_o their_o crown_n before_o the_o throne_n of_o the_o lamb_n 10_o do_v not_o all_o the_o saint_n execute_v &_o ratify_v all_o the_o judgment_n of_o god_n that_o be_v write_v 149._o how_o then_o dare_v these_o lucifer_n these_o pope_n rather_o than_o popish_a bishopp_n thus_o presume_v to_o bring_v in_o this_o popish_a excommunication_n in_o place_n of_o christ_n and_o thereby_o in_o their_o own_o romish_a court_n name_n and_o power_n without_o due_a order_n or_o cause_n without_o the_o consent_n or_o privity_n of_o the_o congregation_n or_o any_o of_o the_o congregation_n to_o cut_v off_o and_o cast_v out_o 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