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A31762 The charge of the Scottish Commissioners against Canterburie and the Lieutenant of Ireland together with their demand concerning the sixt article of the treaty : whereunto is added the Parliaments resolution about the proportion of the Scottish charges and the Scottish Commissioners thankfull acceptance thereof. Scotland. Parliament.; England and Wales. Parliament. House of Lords. 1641 (1641) Wing C2061; ESTC R11362 19,842 56

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in divers places witnesse their dislike of Papists A Minister sal be deposed if if hee bee found negligent to convert Papists Chap. 18. 15. The adoration of the Bread is a superstition to be cōdemned Cap. 6. 6. They call the absolute necessity of Baptisme an errour of Popery Chap. 6.2 But in Canterburies edition the name of Papists and Popery is not so much as mentioned 5. Our Prelates have not the boldnesse to trouble us in their Canons with Altars Fonts Chancels reading of a long Leiturgie before Sermon c. But Canterbury is punctuall and peremptory in all these 6. Although the words of the tenth Canon Chap. 3. be faire yet the wicked intentions of Canterbury and Ross may bee seen in the point of justification of a sinner before God by comparing the Canon as it came from our Prelats and as it wes returned from Canterbury and printed our Prelates say thus It is manifest that the superstition of former ages hath turned into a great prophanenesse and that people are growne cold for the most part in doing any good thinking there is no place to good workes because they are excluded from justification Therefore shall all Ministers as their text giveth occasion urge the necessity of good workes as they would be saved and remember that they are via regni the way to the kingdome of heaven though not causa regnandi howbeit they be not the cause of salvation Here Ross giveth his judgement That hee would have this Canon simply commanding good workes to be preached and no mention made what place they have or have not in justification Upon this motion so agreeable to Canterburies mind the Canon is set down as it standeth without the distinction of via regni or causa regnā●● or any word sounding that way urging onely the necessity of good works 7. By comparing Can. 9. chap. 18. as it was sent in writing from our Prelates and as it is printed at Canterburies command may be also manifest that hee went about to establish auricular confession and Popish absolution 8. Our Prelates were not acquainted with Canons for inflicting of arbitrary penalties But in Canterburies book wheresoever there is no penalty expressely set down it is provided that it shall be arbitrary as the Ordinary shal think fittest By these and many other the like it is apparant what tyrannicall power he went about to establish in the hands of our Prelats over the worship the souls and goods of men over-turning from the foundation the whole order of our Kirk what seedes of Popery hee did sow in our Kirk and how large an entry hee did make for the grossest novations afterward which hath beene a maine cause of all their combustion The third and great Novation wes the booke of Common Prayer administration of the Sacraments and other parts of divine Service brought in without warrant from our Kirk to be universally received as the only forme of divine Service under all highest paines both civill and Ecclesiasticall which is found by our nationall assembly beside the Popish frame and formes in divine worship to containe many Popish errors and ceremonies and the seeds of manifold and grosse superstitions and idolatries and to be repugnant to the Doctrine Discipline and order of our reformation to the confession of faith constitutions of generall assemblies and Acts of Parliament establishing the true Religion that this also wes Canterburies worke Wee make manifest By the memoirs and instructions sent unto him from our Prelates wherein they gave a speciall account of the diligence they had used to doe all which herein they were enjoyned by the approbation of the Service Booke sent to them and of all the marginall corrections wherein it varieth from the English booke shewing their desire to have some few things changed in it which notwithstanding wes not granted This we find written by Saint Androis owne hand and subscribed by him and nine other of our Prelates By Canterburies owne letters witnesses of his joy when the book wes ready for the presse of his prayers that God would speed the worke of his hope to see that service set up in Scotland of his diligence to send for the Printer and directing him to prepare a black letter and to send it to his servants at Edinburgh for printing this booke Of his approbation of the proofes sent from the presse Of his feare of delay in bringing the worke speedily to an end for the great good not of that Church but of the Church Of his encouraging Rosse who wes entrusted with the presse to go on in this peece of Service without feare of enemies All which may be seene in the Autographs and by letters sent from the Prelate of London to Rosse wherein as he rejoyceth at the sight of the Scottish Canons which although they should make some noise at the beginning yet they would be more for the good of the Kirk then the Canons of Edinburgh for the good of the Kingdome So concerning the Leiturgy he sheweth that Rosse had sent to him to have an explanation from Canterbury of some passage of the Service Booke and that the presse behoved to stand till the explanation come to Edinburgh which therefore he had in haste obtained from his Grace and sent the dispatch away by Canterburies owne convaiance But the booke it selfe as it standeth interlined margined and patcht up is much more then all that is expressed in his letters and the changes and supplements themselves taken from the Masse book other Romish Ritualls by which he maketh it to vary from the book of England are more pregnant testimonies of his Popish spirit and wicked intentions which he would have put in execution upon us then can bee denied The large declaration professeth that all the variation of our booke from the book of England that ever the King understood wes in such things as the Scottish humour would better comply with then with that which stood in the English service These Popish innovations therefore have beene surreptitiously inserted by him without the Kings knowledge and against his purpose Our Scottish Prelates do petition that something may be abated of the English ceremonies as the crosse in baptisme the ring in marriage and some other things But Canterbury will not only have these kept but a great many more and worse superadded which wes nothing else but the adding of fewell to the fire To expresse and discover all would require a whole booke we sall onely touch some few in the matter of the Communion This booke inverteth the ordour of the Communion in the booke of England as may be seen by the numbers setting downe the orders of this new Communion 1. 5. 2. 6.7.3.4.8.9 10. 15. Of the divers secret reasons of this change we mention one onely In joyning the spirituall praise and thanksgiving which is in the booke of England pertinently after the communion with the prayer of consecration before the communion and that under the
and hazard of the Kingdome but which is without example did sit stil in the Convocation and make Canons and constitutions against us and our just and necessary defence ordaining under al highest paines that hereafter the Clergy shall preach 4. times in the yeare such doctrine as is cōtrary not only to our proceedings but to the doctrine proceedings of other reform'd Kirks to the judgement of all sound Divines Politiques and tending to the utter slavery and ruining of all Estates and Kingdomes to the dishonour of Kings Monarchs And as if this had not been sufficient he procured six Subsidies to be lifted of the Clergy under paine of Deprivation to all that should refuse And which is yet worse and above which Malice it selfe cannot ascend by his meanes a Praier is framed printed and sent through all the Paroches of England to bee said in all Churches in time of Divine Service next after the prayer for the Queene and Roiall Progeny against our Nation by name of trayterous Subjects having cast off all obedience to our anointed Soveraigne and comming in a rebellious manner to invade England that shame may cover our faces as Enemies to God and the King Whosoever shall impartially examine what hath proceeded from himselfe in these two books of Canons and Common Praier what Doctrine hath beene published and printed these yeares by past in England by his Disciples and Emissaries what grosse Popery in the most materiall points we have found and are ready to shew in the posthume writings of the Prelate of Edinburgh and Dumblane his owne creatures his neerest familiars and most willing instruments to advance his counsells and projects fall perceive that his intentions were deepe and large against all the reformed Kirks and reformation of Religion which in his Majesties dominions wes panting and by this time had rendered up the Ghost if God had not in a wonderfull way of mercy prevented us And that if the Pope himselfe had beene in his place he could not have beene more Popish nor could he more zealously have negotiated for Rome against the reformed Kirks to reduce them to the Heresies in Doctrine the Superstitions and Idolatry in worship and the Tyranny in Government which are in that See and for which the Reformed Kirks did separate from it and come furth of Babell From him certainely hath issued all this deluge which almost hath overturned all We are therefore confident that your Lordships will by your meanes deale effectually with the Parliament that this great firebrand be presently removed from his Majesties presence and that he may be put to tryall and put to his deserved censure according to the Lawes of the Kingdome which sall be good service to God honour to the King and Parliament terror to the wicked and comfort to all good men and to us in speciall who by his meanes principally have beene put to so many and grievous afflictions wherein we had perished if God had not beene with us We do indeed confesse that the Prelates of England have beene of very different humours some of them of a more hot and others of them men of a more moderate temper some of them more and some of them lesse inclinable to Popery yet what knowne truth and constant experience hath made undeniable we must at this opportunity professe that from the first time of Reformation of the Kirk of Scotland not only after the comming of King Iames of happy memory into England but before the Prelates of England have beene by all meanes uncessantly working the overthrow of our discipline and governement And it hath come to passe of late that the Prelates of England having prevailed and brought us to subjection in the point of Governement and finding their long waited for opportunity and a rare congruity of many spirits and powers ready to cooperate for their ends have made a strong assault upon the whole externall worship and doctrine of our Kirk By which their doing they did not aime to make us conforme to England but to make Scotland first whose weaknesse in resisting they had before experienced in the Novations of Governement and of some points of Worship and thereafter England conforme to Rome even in these matters wherein England had seperated from Rome ever since the time of Reformation An evill therefore which hath issued not so much from the person all disposition of the Prelates themselves as from the innate quality and nature of their office and Prelaticall Hierarchy which did bring furth the Pope in ancient times and never ceaseth till it bring furth Popish doctrine and worship where it is once rooted and the principles thereof fomented and constantly followed And from that antipathy and inconsistency of the two formes of Ecclesiasticall governement which they conceived and not without cause that one Iland united also under one head and Monarch wes not able to beare the one being the same in all the parts and powers which it wes in the times of Popery and now is in the Roman Church The other being the forme of Governement received maintained and practised by all the reformed Kirks wherein by their owne testimonies and confessions the Kirk of Scotland had amongst them no small eminency This also wee represent to your Lordships most serious consideration that not only the firebrands may be removed but that the fire may be provided against that there be no more combustion after this FINIS THE CHARGE OF THE SCOTTISH Commissioners against the Lieutenant of IRELAND IN our Declarations we have joyned with Canterbury the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whose malice hath set all his wits and power on work to devise and doe mischiefe against our Kirke and Countrey No other cause of his malice can we conceive but first his pride and supercilious disdaine of the Kirk of Scotland which in his opinion declared by his speeches hath not in it almost anything of a Kirk although the Reformed Kirks and many other Divines of England have given ample testimony to the Reformation of the Kirk of Scotland Secondly our open opposition against the dangerous innovation of Religion intended and very farre promoved in all his Majesties dominions of which hee hath shewed himselfe in his owne way no lesse zealous then Canterbury himselfe as may appeare by his advancing of his Chaplain D. Bramble not onely to the Bishoprick of Derry but also to be Vicar generall of Ireland a man prompted for exalting of Canterburian Popery and Arminianisme that thus himselfe might have the power of both swords against all that should maintaine the Reformation by his bringing of D. Chappell a man of the same spirit to the Vniversity of Dublin for poysoning the Fountaines and corrupting the Seminaries of the Kirk And thirdly when the Primate of Ireland did presse a new ratification of the Articles of that Kirke in Parliament for barring such novations in Religion hee boldly menaced him with the burning by the hand of the Hang-man of that
English Peeres demand concerning the Preceeding Articles Whether this be a positive demand or onely an Intimation of the charge thereby to induce the Kingdome of England to take your distressed estate into consideration and to afford you some friendly assistance The Scottish Commissioners answer to this Demand Wee would be no lesse willing to bear our losses if wee had abilitie then wee have beene ready to undergoe the hazard But because the burthen of the whole doth farre exceed our strength Wee have as is more fully conceived in our Papers represented to your Lordships our charges and losses not intending to demand a totall Reparation but of such a proportionable part as tha wee may in some measure beare the remanent which wee conceive your Lordships having considered our reasons will judge to bee a matter not of our Govetousnesse but of the said Justice and kindnesse of the Kingdome of England Proposition of the Peeres to proceed to the other Demands during the debate of the Scottish losses That in the Interim whilst the houses of Parliament take into consideration you demand of losses and dammages you proceed to settle the other Articles of the peace and Incourse betwixt the two Kingdomes Answer to the Peeres Demand Wee have represented our losses and thereby our distressed Condition ingenuously and in the singlenesse of our hearts with very great moderation passing over many things which to us are great Burthens That there might be no difficulty nor cause of delay on our part hoping that the Honourable Houses of Parliament would thereby be moved at their first Conveniencie to take the matter to their consideration We doe not demand a totall Reparation Nor doe we speake of the payment till wee consult about the setling of a solid peace at which time the wayes of lifting and paying the money may be considered Wee doe onely desire to know what proportion may be expected That this being once determined and all impediments arising from our by-past troubles removed Wee may with the greater confidence and more hearty consent on both sides proceed to the establishing of a firme and durable peace for time to come It is not unknowne to your Lordships what desperate desires and miserable hopes our Adversaries have conceived of a a breach upon this Article And we doe foresee what snares to us difficulties to your Lordships may arise upon the postponing and laying aside of this Article to the last place And therefore that our Adversaries may be out of hope and we out of feare and that the setling of peace may be the more easie We are the more earnest that as the former Articles have bin so this may be upon greater reasons considered in its owne place and order Your Lordships upon the occasion of some motions made heretofore of the transposing of our Demands doe know that not onely the substance but the order of the propounding of them is contained in our Instructions And as we can alter nothing without warrand the craving whereof will take more time then the Houses of Parliament will bestow upon the consideration of this Article So are wee acquainted with the reasons yet standing in force which moved the ordering of this Demand And therfore let us still be earnest with your Lordships that there be no halting here where the Adversaries did most and we did least of all by reason of the Iustice and kindnesse of the houses of Parliament expect it Answer of the Parliament to the preceding Demand Resolved upon the Question THat this House thinke fit that a friendly assistance and reliefe shall be given towards supply of the losses and necessities of the Scots and that in due time this House will take into consideration the measure and manner of it The Scottish Commissioners Answer AS wee doe with all thankfulnesse receive the friendly and kind resolution of the Parliament concerning our sixt Demand And doe therein acknowledge your Lordships noble dealing for which wee may assure that the whole Kingdome of Scotland will at all occasions expresse themselves in all respect and kindnesse So doe wee entreat your Lordships to represent to the Parliament our earnest desire that they may bee pleased how soone their conveniencie may serve to consider of the proportion wishing still that as wee expect from our friends the Testimonies of their kindnesse and friendly assistance So the justice of the Parliament may be declared in making the burden more sensible to the Prelats and Papists our enemies and Authors of all our evills then to others who never have wronged us Which will not only give unto us and the whole Kingdome of Scotland the greater satisfaction But will also as wee doe conceive conduce much to the honour of the Kings Majesty and Parliament Wee doe also expect that your Lordships will bee pleased to report unto us the Answer of the Parliament that wee may in this as in our former Articles give accompt to those who sent us The Peeres Demand upon the above written Answer VVEE desire to understand since as wee conceive the particulars are like to require much time whether wee may not from you let the Parliament know That whilest they are debating of the Proportion and the wayes how their kinde assistance may bee raised you will proceed to the agreeing of the Articles of a firme and durable peace that thereby both Time may bee saved and both sides proceed mutually with the greater cheerfulnesse and alacrity The Scottish Commissioners Answer to the preceding Demand AS we desire a firme peace so it is our desire that this peace may bee with all mutuall alacrity speedily concluded Therefore let us entreat your Lordships to shew the Parliament from us that how soone they shall be pleased to make the proportion knowne to us that wee may satisfie the expectation of those who have entrusted us which we conceive may be done in a short time since they are already acquainted with all the particulars of our Demand wee shall stay no longer upon the manner and wayes of raising the assistance which may require a longer time And yet wee trust will be with such conveniencie determined as may serve for our timous reliefe But remitting the manner and wayes to the oportunities of the Parliament shall most willingly proceed to the Consideration of the following Articles Especially to that which wee most of all desire a firme and blessed peace Ianuar. 16. Resolved on the Question THAT this House doth conceive that the summe of three hundreth thousand pounds is a fit proportion for that friendly assistance and reliefe formerly thought fit to bee given towards the supply of the losses and necessities of our Brethren of Scotland And that this House will in due time take into consideration the manner how and the time when the same shall be raised Answer of the Scots Commissioners VVE intreat your Lordships whose endeavors God hath blessed in this great work to make knowne to the Parliament that We doe no lesse desire to shew our thankfulnesse for their friendly assistance and reliefe then We have been earnest in demanding the same But the thankfulnesse which We conceive to be due doth not consist in our affections or words at this time but in the mutuall kindnesse and reall demonstrations to bee expected from the whole kingdome of Scotland in all time comming and that not onely for the measure and proportion which the Parliament hath conceived to bee fit and which to begin our thankfulnesse now We doe in name of the whole Kingdome cheerfully accept of but also for the kinde and Christian manner of granting it unto us as to their Brethren which addeth a weight above many thousands and cannot bee compensed but by paying their reciprocall love and duty of Brethren And for the resolution to consider in due time of the raising of the same for our reliefe which also maketh the benefit to be double This maketh us confident that God whose working at this time hath been wonderfull hath decreed the peace and amity of the two Kingdomes and will remove all ●ubbes out of the way that our enemies will at last despaire to divide us when they see that God hath joyned us in such a fraternity And that divine Providence will plentifully recompence unto the Kingdome of England this their justice and kindnesse and unto Scotland all their losses which shall not by these and other means amongst our selves be repaired but by the rich and sweet blessings of the purity and power of the Gospell attended with the benefites of an happy and durable peace under his Majesties long and prosperous reigne and of his royall posterity to all generations FINIS