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A42824 Saducismus triumphatus, or, Full and plain evidence concerning witches and apparitions in two parts : the first treating of their possibility, the second of their real existence / by Joseph Glanvil. With a letter of Dr. Henry More on the same subject and an authentick but wonderful story of certain Swedish witches done into English by Anth. Horneck. Glanvill, Joseph, 1636-1680.; More, Henry, 1614-1687.; Horneck, Anthony, 1641-1697. 1681 (1681) Wing G822; ESTC R25463 271,903 638

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plainly but nothing is plain to prejudice The Patrons of Witches labour hard to avoid this evidence and I shall propose and consider their shifts and slights of answering SECT XV. The Evasion of Mr. Reginald Scot concerning the Witches Closet proposed and confuted MR. Reginald Scot the father of the modern Witch-Advocates orders the matter thus When Saul saith he had told her that he would have Samuel brought up to him she departed from his presence into her Closet where doubtless she had her Familiar to wit some lewd crafty Priest and made Saul stand at the door like a Fool as it were with his Finger in a hole to hear the Couzening Answers but not to see the Couzening handling thereof and the conterseiting of the matter And so goeth she to work using ordinary words of Conjuration c. So belike after many such words spoken she saith to her self Lo now the matter is brought to pass I see wonderful things So as Saul hearing these words longed to know all and asked her what she saw Whereby you know that Saul saw nothing but stood without like a Mome whilest she plaid her part in her Closet as may most evidently appear by the Twenty first Verse of this Chapter where it is said Then the Woman came out to Saul c. Scot p. 108. Now this is not interpreting a Story but making one For we read nothing of her Closet or her going from Saul into it nothing of the crafty Priest she had there or of Sauls standing at the door like a Fool like a drowned Puppy Mr. Webster has it very respectful Language for a Prince in distress nothing of the words of Conjuration or of the Womans talk to her self but all this is Whimsey and Fiction And according to this way of interpreting a Man may make what he will of all the Histories in the Bible yea in the World If one may supply and put in what he pleaseth any thing may be made any thing But Mr. Scot saith it evidently appears that Saul saw nothing but stayed without like a Mome whilest she played her part in her Closet It evidently appears by the Twenty first Verse of this Chapter where 't is said Then the Woman came out unto Saul Is it not evident from hence that she had a Closet how else should she come out But the mischief of it is there is nothing of coming out in the Text or any Version of it Our Translation is And the Woman came unto Saul The vulgar Latine Ingressa est she came in which implies that she went out of doors rather than into her Closet The Septuagint read 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 being the same sense with the vulgar Latine The Chaldee Paraphrase simply she came So the Syriack and the Arabick But we find nothing of coming out any where but in the Discoverer So that here is a Text made too as well as many a groundless Comment But whether she only came to Saul or in or out to him it matters not much for it implies only that she withdrew while Saul Communed with Samuel out of respect and after the Communication she returned and found the King in great disorder and what is this to a Closet SECT XVI Two of Mr. Websters Arguments for the Witches Closet proposed and answered BUt Mr. Webster pursues the business in the behalf of the Discoverer First If they were in the same Room and Samuel a visible Object how comes it to pass that Saul saw him not Mr. Glanvil saith he must pump to find it out p. 169. But doth not Mr. Webster know that it is usual in Apparitions and he owns there are such for the Spirit to appear to one when it is not visible to another though in the same Room and every ways capable of seeing In the Famous Story of Walker and Sharp recited by him p. 299 300. which he confesseth to be of undoubted verity he saith it was reported that the Apparition did appear in Court to the Judge or Fore-man of the Jury and I have from other hands very credible attestation that it was so but the rest saw nothing Many other well attested Relations of this kind speak of the like and there are Innumerable Stories of people that have their second sight as they call it to wit a faculty of seeing Spectres when others cannot discern them In which there is nothing either impossible or unlikely And why then should there be need of so much pumping to answer this Objection Samuel it seems appeared to the Woman a little before Saul saw him shewing himself so it may be to prepare Saul for the terrible sight by degrees lest the suddenness of it might have affrighted him into an incapacity of hearing what he had to say to him Or it may be the Body of the Woman or some other thing in the Room might interpose between Saul and the first appearance of Samuel or he might be at an unfit distance or out of due light to see presently as she did So that there is no need of supposing them to be in two Rooms on this account But Secondly He argues further for the Closet or another Room The Woman cryed out with a loud Voice when she saw Samuel What need of that saith he if they were in one Room might not an ordinary tone make him to have heard her 'T is like it might but that was not the cause of her crying out but her surprise to see Samuel if it were the real Samuel when she expected only her Familiar appearing in some resemblance of him And 't is like there were circumstances in this Apparition which she had never seen before that might on the sudden affright and amaze her And if it were Samuel indeed which is very probable the sight of him assored her that the Inquirer was Saul For though she might not conclude it presently from his requiring her to raise Samuel yet when he really and unexpectedly appeared it was plain that he was come upon some great Errand and with whom could he probably have such business as with Saul So that she seeing him the importance of his appearance and the Relation he had to Saul brought the King presently to her mind and with him her fears and that this was one cause of her crying out is plainly intimated in the next words And the ●…oman spake to Saul saying Why hast thou decerved me for thou art Saul v. 12. And that she was affrighted at that knowledge is implied in Sauls assuring her again against her fears in his immediate answer And the King said unto her ●…Be not afraid v. 13. Besides this there is another thing that may be collected from the Text which might occasion her astonishment and crying out For as soon as Saul had said Bring me up Samuel v. 11. it immediately follows v. 12. And when the Woman saw Samuel she cryed with a loud voice It seems he appeared before she had performed her usual
there was nothing of a Witch in all that whole Narration First by pretending that all the transaction on the woman of Endor's part was nothing but collusion and a Cheat Saul not being in the same Room with her or at least seeing nothing if he was And then in the next place That Samuel that is said to appear could neither be Samuel appearing in his Body out of the Grave nor in his Soul nor that it was a Devil that appeared and therefore it must be some colluding Knave suborned by the Witch For the discovering the weakness of his former Allegation we need but to appeal to the Text which is this 1 Sam. 28. v. 8. And Saul said I pray thee divine unto me by the familiar spirit and bring me up whom I shall name unto thee 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is do the office of a Divineress or a Wise woman I pray thee unto me 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Beobh by vertue of the familiar Spirit whose assistance thou hast not by vertue of the Bottle as Mr. Webster would have it Does he think that Damsel in the Acts which is said to have had 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is to have had 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Obh carried an Aquavitae-bottle about with her hung at her Girdle whereby she might divine and mutter chirp or peep out of it as a Chicken out of an Egg-shell or put her Neb into it to cry like a Bittern or take a dram of the Bottle to make her wits more quick and divinatory Who but one that had taken too many drams of the Bottle could ever fall into such a fond conceit Wherefore 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Obh in this place does not as indeed no where else signifie an oracular Bottle or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 into which Saul might desire the woman of Endor to retire into and himself expect answers in the next Room but signifies that familiar Spirit by vertue of whose assistance she was conceived to perform all those wondrous offices of a Wise woman But we proceed to verse 11. Then said the woman Whom shall I bring up unto thee And he said Bring me up Samuel Surely as yet Saul and the woman are in the same Room and being the woman askt Whom shall I bring up unto thee and he answering Bring up unto me Samuel it implies that Samuel was so to be brought up that Saul might see him and not the Witch onely But we go on Verse 12. And when the woman saw Samuel she cried with a loud voice and the woman spake to Saul saying Why hast thou deceived me for thou art Saul Though the woman might have some suspicions before that it was Saul yet she now seeing Samuel did appear and in another kind of way than her Spirits used to do and in another hue as it is most likely so holy a Soul did she presently cried out with a loud voice not muttered chirpt and peept as a Chicken coming out of the Shell that now she was sure it was Saul For she was not such a Fool as to think her Art could call up real Samuel but that the presence of Saul was the cause thereof And Josephus writes expresly 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 i. e. The woman seeing a grave God like man is startled at it and thus astonished at the Vision turned her self to the King and said Art not thou King Saul Verse 13. And the King said unto her Be not afraid for what sawest thou And the woman said unto Saul I saw Gods ascending out of the Earth The King here assures the woman that though he was Saul yet no hurt should come to her and therefore bids her not be afraid But she turning her face to Saul as she spake to him and he to her and so her sight being off from the object Saul asked her What sawest thou and she in like manner answered I saw Gods c. For Gods I suppose any free Translator in Greek Latine and English would say 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Genios Spirits And 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifies Angels as well as Gods and it is likely these Wise women take the Spirits they converse with to be good Angels as Anne Bodenham the Witch told a worthy and Learned Friend of mine That these Spirits such as she had were good Spirits and would do a man all good offices all the days of his life and it is likely this woman of Endor had the same opinion of hers and therefore we need not wonder that she calls them 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Elohim especially Samuel appearing among them to say nothing of the presence of Saul And that more than one Spirit appears at a time there are repeated examples in Anne Bodenham's Magical Evocations of them whose History I must confess I take to be very true The case stands therefore thus The Woman and Saul being in the same Room she turning her face from Saul mutters to her self some Magical form of evocation of Spirits whereupon they beginning to appear and rise up seemingly out of the Earth upon the sight of Samuels Countenance she cried out to Saul and turning her face towards him spoke to him Now that Saul hitherto saw nothing though in the same Room might be either because the body of the woman was interposed betwixt his eyes and them or the Vehicles of those Spirits were not yet attempered to that conspissation that they would strike the eyes of Saul though they did of the Witch And that some may see an Object others not seeing it you have an instance in the Child upon Walker's Shoulders appearing to Mr. Fairhair and it may be to the Judge but invisible to the rest of the Court and many such examples there are But I proceed to Verse 14. And he said unto her What form is he of and she said An old man cometh up and is covered with a mantle He asks here in the Singular number because his mind was onely sixt on Samuel And the womans answer is exactly according to what the Spirit appeared to her when her eye was upon it viz. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 An old man coming up for he was but coming up when she looked upon him and accordingly describes him For 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 there is a Participle of the present Tense and the woman describes Samuel from his Age Habit and motion he was in while her eye was upon him So that the genuine sense and Grammatical in this answer to What form is he of is this an old man coming up and the same covered with a mantle this is his form and condition I saw him in Wherefore Saul being so much concerned herein either the woman or he changing their postures or standings or Samuel by this having sufficiently conspissated his Vehicle and fitted it to Saul's sight also it follows in the Text And Saul perceived it was Samuel and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed himself O the
that humour could not have been so lasting and pertinacious Or if it were so in him can we think he infected his whole Family and those multitudes of neighbors and others who had so often been witnesses of those passages Such supposals are wild and not like to tempt any but those whose Wills are their Reasons So that upon the whole the principal Relatour Mr. Mompesson himself knew whether what he reports was true or not whether those things acted in his house were contrived Cheats or extraordinary Realities And if so what interest could he serve in carrying on or conniving at a juggling Design and Imposture He suffered by it in his Name in his Estate in all his Affairs and in the general peace of his Family The Unbelievers in the matter of Spirits and Witches took him for an Impostour Many others judged the permission of such an extraordinary evil to be the judgment of God upon him for some notorious wickedness or impiety Thus his name was continually exposed to censure and his estate suffered by the concourse of people from all parts to his house by the diversion it gave him from his affairs by the discouragement of Servants by reason of which he could hardly get any to live with him To which if I add the continual hurry that his Family was in the affrights vexations and tossings up and down of his Children and the watchings and disturbance of his whole house in all which himself must needs be the most concerned person I say if these things are considered there will be little reason to think he could have any interest to put a cheat upon the World in which he would most of all have injured and abused himself Or if he should have designed and managed so incredible so unprofitable a Delúsion 't is strange that he should have troubled himself so long in such a business only to deceive and to be talkt of And it is yet more so that none of those many inquisitive persons that came thither purposely to criticize and examine the truth of those matters could make any discoveries of the Juggling especially since many came prejudiced against the belief of such things in general and others resolved before-hand against the belief of this and all were permitted the utmost freedom of search and inquiry And after things were weighed and examined some that were before greatly prejudiced went away fully convinced To all which I add that There are divers particulars in the story in which no abuse or deceit could have been practised as the motion of Boards and Chairs of themselves the beating of a Drum in the midst of a Room and in the Air when nothing was to be seen the great heat in a Chamber that had no Fire in excessive cold weather the scratching and panting the violent beating and shaking of the Bedsteads of which there was no perceivable cause or occasion In these and such like instances it is not to be conceived how tricks could have been put upon so many so jealous and so inquisitive persons as were witnesses of them 'T is true that when the Gentlemen the King sent were there the House was quiet and nothing seen nor heard that night which was confidently and with triumph urged by many as a confutation of the story But 't was bad Logick to conclude in matters of Fact from a single Negative and such a one against numerous Affirmatives and so affirm that a thing was never done because not at such a particular time and that no body ever saw what this Man or that did not By the same way of reasoning I may inferr that there were never any Robberies done on Salisbury Plain Ho●…nslow Heath or the other noted places because I have often Travelled all those ways and yet was never Robbed and the Spaniard inferred well that said There was no Sun in England because he had been six Weeks here and never saw it This is the common argument of those that deny the Being of Apparitions they have Travelled all hours of the night and never saw any thing worse than themselves which may well be and thence they conclude that all pretended Apparitions are Fancies or Impostures But why do not such arguers conclude that there was never a Cut-purse in London because they have lived there many years without being met with by any of those Practisers Certainly he that denies Apparitions upon the confidence of this Negative against the vast heap of Positive assurances is credulous in believing there was ever any Highway-man in the World if he himself was never Robb'd And the Trials of Assizes and Attestations of those that have if he will be just ought to move his Assent no more in this case than in that of Witches and Apparitions which have the very same evidence But as to the quiet of Mr. Mompesson's house when the Courtiers were there it may be remembred and considered that the disturbance was not constant but intermitted sometimes several dayes sometimes Weeks So that the intermission at that time might be accidental or perhaps the Daemon was not willing to give so publick a Testimony of those Transactions which possibly might convince those who he had rather should continue in the unbelief of his existence But however it were this circumstance will afford but a very slender inference against the credit of the story except among those who are willing to take any thing for an Argument against things which they have an interest not to acknowledge I have thus related the sum of the story and noted some circumstances that assure the truth of it I confess the passages recited are not so dreadful Tragical and amazing as there are some in story of this kind yet are they never the less probable or true for their being not so prodigious and astonishing And they are strange enough to prove themselves effects of some invisible extraordinary Agent and so demonstrate that there are Spirits who sometimes sensibly intermeddle in our affairs And I think they do it with clearness of evidence For these things were not done long ago or at far distance in an ignorant age or among a barbarous people they were not seen by two or three only of the Melancholick and superstitious and reported by those that made them serve the advantage and interest of a party They were not the passages of a Day or Night nor the vanishing glances of an Apparition but these Transactions were near and late publick frequent and of divers years continuance witnessed by multitudes of competent and unbyassed Attestors and acted in a searching incredulous Age Arguments enough one would think to convince any modest and capable reason ADVERTISEMENT This Narrative of the Daemon of Tedworth is published in an Epistolar Form in the former Impressions But the enlargement thereof that is to say the said Narrative enlarged for this intended Edition is not in that form and therefore is thus published according to Mr. Glanvil 's M. S.
of his Arm and kept him by force in the way But as he held him there came such a force against them that he was flung into the middle of the street and one of the palms of his hands and one knee bruised and broken by the fall which put him for a while to excessive pain But spying the Lieutenant lye like a dead man he got up as soon as he could and applied himself to his relief With the help of others he got him into the next shop where they poured strong-water down his Throat but for some time could discern no Life in him At length what with the strong-water and what with well chafing him he began to stirr and when he was come to himself his first words were I will shew you no more Ghosts Then he desired a Pipe of Tobacco but Mr. Broom told him he should take it at his house for he feared should he take it so soon there it would make him sick Thereupon they went together to Mr. Broom's house where they were no sooner entring in but the Bell rang out Mr. Broom presently sent his Maid to learn who was dead She brought word that it was such an One a Taylor who dyed suddenly though he had been in a Consumption a long time And inquiring after the time of his death they found it was as punctually as it could be guessed at the very time when the Ghost appeared The Ghost had exactly this Taylors known Gate who ordinarily went also with one Arm swinging and a Glove in that hand and looking on one side upwards ADVERTISEMENT This Relation was sent to Dr. H. More from Mr. Edw. Fowler at the end whereof he writes that Dr. Burton as well as himself heard it from Mr. Broom ' s own mouth And I can add that I also afterwards heard it from his own mouth at London RELAT. XVIII An Irish story of one that had like to have been carried away by Spirits and of the Ghost of a Man who had been seven years dead that brought a Medicine to the abovesaid parties Bed-side A Gentleman in Ireland near to the Earl of Ororie's sending his Butler one afternoon to buy Cards as he passed a Field he to his wonder espyed a company of people sitting round a Table with a deal of good cheer before them in the midst of the Field And he going up towards them they all arose and saluted him and desired him to sit down with them But one of them whispered these words in his Ear Do nothing this company invites you to He thereupon refused to sit down at the Table and immediately Table and all that belonged to it were gone And the company are now dancing and playing upon Musical Instruments And the Butler being desired to joyn himself to them but he refusing this also they fall all to work and he not being to be prevailed with to accompany them in working any more than in feasting or dancing they all disappeared and the Butler is now alone But instead of going forwards home he returns as fast as he could drive in a great consternation of mind And was no sooner entred his Masters door but down he falls and lay some time sensless but coming to himself again he related to his Master what had happened to him The night following there comes one of this company to his Bed-side and tells him that if he offered to stir out of doors the next day he would be carryed away Hereupon he kept within but towards the Evening having need to make water he adventured to put one foot over the threshold several standing by Which he had no sooner done but they espied a Rope cast about his middle and the poor Man was hurried away with great swiftness they following after him as fast as they could but could not overtake him At length they espyed a Horseman coming towards them and made signs to him to stop the Man whom he saw coming near him and both the ends of the Rope but no body drawing When they met he laid hold on one end of the Rope and immediately had a smart blow given him over his Arm with the other end But by this means the Man was stopt and the Horseman brought him back with him The Earl of Orory hearing of these strange passages sent to the Master to desire him to send this Man to his House which he accordingly did And the morning following or quickly after he told the Earl that his Spectre had been with him again and assured him that that day he should most certainly be carried away and that no endeavours should avail to the saving of him Upon this he was kept in a large room with a considerable number of persons to guard him among whom was the famous stroker Mr. Greatrix who was a neighbor There were besides other Persons of Quality two Bishops in the house at the same time who were consulted touching the making use of a Medicine the Spectre or Ghost prescribed of which mention will be made anon but they determined on the Negative But this by the By. Till part of the Afternoon was spent all was quiet but at length he was perceived to rise from the ground whereupon Mr. Greatrix and another lusty Man clapt their Arms over his shoulders one of them before him and the other behind and weighed him down with all their strength But he was forcibly taken up from them and they were too weak to keep their hold and for a considerable time he was carried in the Air to and fro over their heads several of the Company still running under him to prevent his receiving hurt if he should fall At length he fell and was caught before he came to ground and had by that means no hurt All being quiet till bed-time My Lord ordered two of his Servants to lye with him and the next Morning he told his Lordship that his Spectre was again with him and brought a wooden dish with grey liquor in it and bad him drink it off At the first sight of the Spectre he said he endeavoured to awake his bedfellows but it told him that that endeavour should be in vain and that he had no cause to fear him he being his Friend and he that at first gave him the good advice in the Field which had he not followed be had been before now perfectly in the power of the Company he saw there He added that he concluded it was impossible but that he should have been carried away the day before there being so strong a Combination against him But now he could assure him that there would be no more attempts of that nature but he being troubled with two sorts of sad fits he had brought that liquor to cure him of them and bad him drink it He peremptorily refusing the Spectre was angry upbraided him with great disingenuity but told him that however he had a kindness for him and that if he would take Plantain juice he