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cause_n	bring_v	good_a	work_n	2,437	5	5.8344	4	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A78137	A reply to the frivolous and impertinent ansvver of R.B. to the discourse of P.B. In which discourse is shewed, that the baptisme in the defection of Antichrist, is the ordinance of God, notwithstanding the corruptions that attend the same, and that the baptisme of infants is lawfull, both which are vindicated from the exceptions of R.B. and further cleared by the same authour. There is also a reply, in way of answer to some exceptions of E.B. against the same.	Barbon, Praisegod, 1596?-1679.	1643 (1643)	Wing B755; Thomason E96_20; ESTC R5151	48,062	73

broken downe the case it was otherwise and this R. B. in part confesseth as their scruple but he seeketh to turne another way by multip●yi●g words and in the end maketh this the sum of all that their children so begotten are Legitimate that is true borne not bastards a wonderfull case and rare exposition if one be a beleever then the children are true borne but if neither be then the children are bastards what a number of Bastards are there in the world in R. B. his sence hee addeth as a reason of his exposition that the holinesse of the childe is not concluded from the beleeving of the parents but from their lawfull use each of other which is utterly untrue and contrary to the sence of the scripture that tearmeth the seed of those of the Church holy for their relation sake but the seed of other not having relation uncleane though borne in never so true wedlock But R. B. againe saying the same without any shew of proofe that it proveth no more holinesse in the seed of the faithfull then in the seed of the heathen borne in wedlock But he doth but say it we are not bound to beleeve him unlesse we will He intendeth brevitie he saith and so referreth me further for answer of R. B. where the the matter is handled at large These he saith are the reasons I can shew for baptizing of children which because they satisfie not some but they require as well he saith they may a precept or example for warrant He saith I promise to doe that but first requires a precept or example to be shewed of an unbaptized persons baptizing either himselfe or others and also the like for rejecting children their member-ship in the Church and right in the Covenant as of old These two he hath sufficiently done Indeede if hee might bee his owne judge he hath but truely he must to work about it againe or otherwise men of judgement will count his cause lost for R. B. to proove that an unbaptized person may baptize himselfe or others before he be baptized himselfe brings Davids eating of the shew-bread and the Alsufficiencie of the scripture to instruct the man of God in every good work And for cutting of the Intayle of children from the Covenant and putting them out of the Church that one onely Allegorie mentioned in the scripture Gala. 4. and this expounded aright and not according to his erroneous sence is so far from being for him as it is cleare against him It is no marvell he should say it is sufficiently done It is well he is judge in his own cause for sure others no not those of his owne way will say any such thing for him Now he will take notice of the performance of my promise and so to the first thing by me set downe he having cavelled at it before he passeth it by Namely children their being baptized into Moses in the Cloud and Sea a verie cleare example He mindeth my next as the first and that is of the baptizing whole housholds as the Jaylers Lydiah and the houshold of Stephanus by Paul himselfe R. B. replieth to this and saith he requireth an example of Baptizing Children and not of housholds It is worth the noting what unequall dealing may be found in men and how far men are from measuring to others what they require of others to be measured to them to prove that an unbaptized person may baptize Davids eating the shew-bread is a verie cleare example and full proofe with R. B. And he may take himselfe wronged if any shall refuse it If I had said to him I require an example not of eating shew-bread but of an unbaptized person baptizing of himself what would he have said he it is likely would have minded me of the substance of the thing and the nature and agreement of the matter so parralled as he intended I minde him so to minde this Instance and proceede I reasoned thus from these examples If Children with their Parents entred not the Covenant Church estate now as of old they did The Apostles would have spoken more particularly and not so generally for sure hee minded the reproofe of our Lord to marke 10. 14. those Disciples that hindred children from comming to him for this reason amongst other because the Church consists of such It is an example for baptizing whole housholds however wherin usually are yong children It is as pertinent however as Davids eating the shew-bread before A family may be tendred a whole family may be baptized It lieth on the part of R. B. if I mistake not to declare by what right they being a part should be put by If he can shew no further discharge but that Allegorie they will doe well enough I told him if a houshold were tendered to Baptisme and I will now put the case if hee was to be the Baptizer and there should be an infant two or three in it and Pauls example should be alleadged to him by what warrant would he put them by or who should be his pattern It seemeth he would rather chuse to follow the disciples which Christ blamed for hindring Mark 10. 14. Children in their comming to him rather then the minde of our Lord or example of Paul But what I inferred about this he passed by with silence And thinketh to pay me home saying this proveth no more the baptizing of children then it proveth the baptizing of notorious drunkards theeves and swearers or whole housholds have bin baptized in som housholds there are such ergo If I should tell R. B. that Iohn Baptist did baptize such and so the cause is by him unaware granted he would Matth. 3. 7. Luke 4. 7. Luke 4. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. tell mee they confessed their sins first but the scripture telleth him and us all that they were a generation of vipers whose good fruits were not then brought forth pleasing himselfe in the paralell he saith to me who seeth not your folly I may I suppose with more ground Retort it on R. B. againe for making such a paralell and Illusion for would he have drunkards c. to be baptized whether they would or no And if these being in a family confesse their sinnes though they forsake them not sure R. B. or otherwise he differeth from those of his owne way especially if they own but totall dipping will thinke it meet to baptize them upon that their confession and profession though they were and doe after appeare to remaine such drunkards theeves and whores as hee speaketh of who may not see R. B. his shallownesse thus to please himselfe with just nothing He commeth to the next I said the whole Church of Collosse was baptized as the whole church of old were circumcised now a part of the Church which was thus buried with Christ in baptisme were children To this hee answereth our question is of Infants and not of children in the generall some of which may be