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A44639 The seat of the scorner thrown down, or, Richard Hobbs his folly, envy and lyes in his late reply to my book called A looking-glass, &c manifested and rebuked whereunto is annexed my call from the Baptists, to walk in the true light : and a true testimony to the light and power of Christ in the heart with a few queries to the said R. Hobbs / by Luke Howard ; to which is added a further answer by T.R. Howard, Luke, 1621-1699.; Howard, Luke, 1621-1699. Looking-glass for Baptists.; Rudyard, Thomas, d. 1692. Water-Baptists reproach repeld. 1673 (1673) Wing H2987; ESTC R6501 43,144 60

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Sea and what is the Sea and what are the Fish and what is the Vessel and the Good Fish that are put therein and the Bad Pish that are cast away VIII What is that Baptism that is to remain seeing the Scripture saith there is one Lord one Faith and one Baptism is it Johns or is it Christs or is it Water or is it Spirit or must there be two And what is that true Bread which comes down from God the flesh of Christ which he gives for the Life of the World and whether he that eats of it shall not live for ever and whether any have Life but those that eat thereof and whether your Bread be that yea or nay which you give each other as an Ordinance of God as you call it IX What Baptism is that now which gives an Entrance into the one Body of which Christ Jesus is the Head seeing the Scriptures of Truth which we believe and own say That by one Spirit are we all baptized into the one Body and who is the Administrator of this Baptism and when may it truly be said of any Man that he is baptized with this Baptism Luke Howard A Looking-Glass FOR BAPTISTS Being A Short Narrative of their Root and Rice IN KENT Wherein the Erroneous Spirit of Richard Hobbs Pastor of the Baptists in Dover with some others therein concern'd with him is Reprehended By Luke Howard Be sober be vigilant because your Adversary the Devil as a roaring Lyon walketh about seeking whom he may devour Whom resist stedfast in the Faith knowing that the same Afflictions are accomplish'd in your Brethren that are in the World But the God of all Grace who hath called us into his Eternal Glory by Jesus Christ aft●r that you have suffered a while make you perfect stablish strengthen settle you To him be Glory and Dominion for ever and ever Amen 1 Pet. chap. 5. vers 8 9 10 11. Printed in the Year 1673 THis Narrative is for the Unbyassed Minds to look into whether Baptists or others in which short Narrative by all such may be seen the Rice and Root of the Baptists in Kent And the Face of an Envious spirit ruling in Richard Hobbs Pastor of the Baptists in Dover as he pretends himself to be with all concerned with him in it except he has beguil'd any to set their Names to an Envious Story of one Charles Bayley Ten Years by past to which Story there is Nine Names but five of them dead for several Years and C.B. of whom the Story is was by the Quakers deny'd ten Years since and so is to this Day as in this Narrative will appear to the Authors shame because they have known he was deny'd for several years as their own Consciences will testifie against them This they joyn'd to another like it self at the Re-printing of it which before was sufficiently Answered and the Forgery therein detected to all unbyassed Minds READER I Hearing of and this day seeing a Scandalous Narrative from the Baptist-People of Dover at the reading of which I could not but very much strange that men should so much lose their Reason as men that as soon as they have a little Liberty given them to abuse it so as to imploy themselves in such dirty work once and again of Nine and Ten Years by past and so to make themselves a Scorn to Fools and the innocent Principle of the Quakers the Worlds Talk whom they hate as Ahab did Micaiah and therefore is their work like themselves whose Envy destroys their Reason which is the Cause they Print such things as are filled with Mischiefs and no good to any though such as envy and hate the Light of Jesus and perfect Way of the Lord and so bring not their deeds to it may rejoyce thereat The tendency of which Narrative was of C. Baily's spirit and works manifested in Dover in the 8th Month call'd October 1661. to crown the rest of their work in their other Narrative to which this of C. B. was added in the Reprinting of the same as the Baptists in subtilty thought or might think Therefore it was something upon me to give forth a true Relation according to my knowledge of C.B. and his being denyed long since by us and so not to be by Wise Men accounted of us And also for the Truth 's sake to make a sure Discovery of the Rice of the Baptists in the County of Kent who shew what spirit they are of by their works in Print that they should not be lifted up and glory in the flesh above their sphere and so preach and affirm they know not what unto the people which are more simple some of them and cleaner in heart and mind before they are Dipped then ever they come to be again after once they are proselited into their Yoak of Bondage and therefore is this plain Discourse for the Simple sake given forth The 9th day of the 5th Moneth called July 1672 L. H. A LOOKING-GLASS for Baptists c. IN the Year 1643. and 1644. the People call'd Baptists began to have an entrance into Kent and Anne Stevens of Canterbury who was afterwards my Wife being the first that received them there was dipped into the Belief and Church of W. Kiffin who then was of the Opinion commonly called The particular Election and Reprobation of Persons and by him was also dipped Nicholas Woodman of Canterbury my self and Mark Elfreth of Dover with many more both Men and Women who were all of the Opinion of the particular Point and who reckoned themselves of the Seven Churches in that Day who gave forth a Book call'd The Faith of the Seven Churchs which was then opposit to the Baptists that held the general and is still the same at which time there was great contest betwixt those Baptists called The General as Lamb Barber and those which held the Vniversal Love of God to all and Kiffen Patience Spillman and Colyer and those that held the Particular Election so that if any of the particular Men or Women of the Seven Churches aforesaid did change in their Opinions from the Particular to the General that then they were to be baptized again Because said they You were baptized into a wrong Faith and so into another Gospel using that saying That if any man bring any other Gospel then that which we have received let him he accursed whereupon several denied their Belief and Baptism and were baptized again into the General Opinion or Belief But N. Woodman aforesaid with M. Elfreth with all of then in Kent except Daniel Con of Canterbury which never baptized any held their Baptism in the particular but changed their Opinions to the General some to Free-will and the Mortality of the Soul and many other things too redious here to relate from whence did arise almost all the Baptists which now are in Kent whose Root is Babel and Confusion which so much boast themselves in this day of a little