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reprove_v 11._o 1._o cor._n 11._o they_o for_o certain_a abuse_n about_o the_o lord_n supper_n whereof_o this_o be_v one_o of_o the_o chief_a that_o they_o make_v it_o a_o occasion_n of_o feast_v and_o banquet_v which_o manner_n of_o feast_v in_o the_o church_n be_v not_o only_o borrow_v of_o the_o gentiles_n as_o m._n bullinger_n say_v but_o occasion_n also_o of_o much_o contention_n and_o very_o unséemely_a for_o that_o time_n and_o place_n and_o as_o master_n caluine_n say_v upon_o that_o place_n the_o corinthian_n be_v reprove_v because_o they_o have_v mingle_v caluine_n caluine_n profane_a banquette_n and_o that_o also_o with_o the_o contumely_n of_o the_o poor_a with_o that_o holy_a and_o spiritual_a feast_n and_o therefore_o expedient_a it_o be_v that_o they_o shall_v betake_v away_o and_o if_o you_o can_v show_v the_o like_a uncurable_a abuse_n in_o the_o apparel_n i_o will_v cry_v away_o with_o it_o as_o fast_o as_o you_o do_v chap._n 7._o the._n 11._o division_n admonition_n 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i_o will_v let_v you_o alone_o in_o such_o toy_n and_o suffer_v you_o to_o play_v with_o yourself_o chap._n 1._o the._n 23._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 65._o sect._n 1_o but_o to_o come_v to_o this_o distinction_n i_o have_v think_v before_o this_o time_n that_o the_o apostle_n have_v be_v the_o dream_n the_o sure_o the_o man_n be_v in_o a_o dream_n chief_a bvilder_n in_o set_v up_o the_o church_n now_o i_o perceive_v you_o make_v the_o archbyshop_n and_o archdeacon_n the_o chief_a bvilder_n and_o the_o apostle_n under_o carpenter_n or_o common_a mason_n to_o serve_v and_o to_o ▪_o 1._o cor._n 3_z ▪_o take_v the_o commandment_n of_o the_o archbishop_n and_o archdeacon_n and_o whereas_o it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o ministery_n which_o s._n paul_n speak_v of_o be_v in_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n bind_v and_o lose_v only_o and_o that_o there_o be_v other_o which_o be_v beside_o these_o occupy_v in_o the_o order_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n of_o which_o number_n be_v archbyshop_n and_o archdeacon_n let_v we_o mark_v a_o little_a what_o deep_a divinity_n here_o be_v io._n whitgifte_n sure_o you_o wander_v you_o know_v not_o whither_o without_o doubt_n your_o mind_n when_o you_o write_v this_o be_v upon_o some_o other_o thing_n than_o upon_o my_o book_n for_o where_o have_v i_o make_v this_o comparison_n betwixt_o the_o apostle_n and_o archbyshop_n or_o what_o have_v i_o speak_v sound_v that_o way_n i_o will_v have_v you_o to_o deal_v honest_o and_o plain_o if_o you_o mean_v the_o book_n in_o latin_a whereof_o you_o after_o ward_n speak_v the_o word_n of_o that_o book_n sound_v any_o thing_n this_o way_n be_v these_o archiepisiopi_n ab_fw-la èpiscopis_fw-la quoad_fw-la ministerium_fw-la non_fw-la differunt_fw-la omnes_fw-la enim_fw-la paripotestate_fw-la docendi_fw-la baptizandi_fw-la ligandi_fw-la &_o soluendi_fw-la praediti_fw-la sunt_fw-la sed_fw-la quoad_fw-la ordinem_fw-la et_fw-la politiam_fw-la ordinis_fw-la enim_fw-la &_o politiae_fw-la 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a_o great_a *_o ▪_o what_o burden_n who_o have_v lay_v it_o on_o ▪_o burden_n and_o weight_n of_o the_o archbyshop_n and_o archdeacon_n shoulder_n than_o the_o apostle_n be_v able_a to_o sustain_v io._n whitgifte_n when_o you_o have_v tell_v where_o they_o have_v lay_v on_o this_o great_a burden_n and_o weight_n or_o what_o the_o burden_n and_o weight_n be_v that_o you_o say_v they_o have_v lay_v on_o or_o who_o they_o be_v that_o have_v lay_v it_o on_o then_o shall_v your_o question_n be_v answer_v in_o the_o mean_a time_n let_v this_o suffice_v the_o reader_n that_o you_o do_v but_o forge_v matter_n to_o increase_v your_o volume_n and_o to_o sport_v yourself_o chap._n 1._o the._n 24._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 65._o sect._n 3_o secondary_o i_o ask_v with_o what_o boldness_n and_o upon_o the_o confidence_n of_o what_o gift_n any_o man_n dare_v take_v upon_o he_o both_o that_o which_o the_o apostle_n do_v and_o more_o to_o io._n whitgifte_n to_o this_o i_o answer_v as_o to_o the_o former_a chap._n 1._o the._n
not_o mention_v in_o the_o scripture_n but_o also_o manifest_o oppugn_v it_o be_v to_o bold_a &_o hard_a a_o speech_n that_o i_o say_v no_o more_o to_o et_fw-fr the_o petegree_n of_o the_o archbishop_n from_o the_o apostle_n time_n and_o from_o the_o apostle_n themselves_o io._n whitgifte_n i_o must_v answer_v you_o still_o as_o zuinglius_fw-la answer_v the_o anabaptist_n in_o the_o like_a objection_n and_o as_o i_o have_v answer_v you_o before_o the_o papist_n make_v their_o tradition_n necessary_a unto_o salvation_n and_o therefore_o they_o be_v to_o be_v reject_v because_o the_o word_n of_o god_n contain_v all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n i_o make_v those_o office_n part_v of_o decency_n order_n ecclesiastical_a government_n and_o policy_n which_o admit_v alteration_n as_o the_o time_n and_o person_n require_v and_o be_v not_o particular_o express_v in_o the_o scripture_n no_o more_o than_o diverse_a other_o thing_n be_v in_o the_o same_o kind_n as_o i_o have_v prove_v 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c._n page_n 115._o lin._n 12._o and_o in_o the_o four_o council_n of_o carthage_n it_o be_v simple_o decree_v that_o a_o woman_n ought_v not_o to_o 100_o tom._n 1._o con_v ca._n 100_o baptise_v io._n whitgifte_n this_o canon_n in_o gratian_n the_o conse_n disti_fw-la 4._o be_v thus_o report_v mulier_fw-la quamuis_fw-la docta_fw-la &_o sancta_fw-la viros_fw-la in_o comuentu_fw-la docere_fw-la vel_fw-la aliquos_fw-la baptizare_fw-la non_fw-la praesumat_fw-la nisi_fw-la necessitate_n cogent_fw-fr let_v not_o a_o woman_n although_o learned_a and_o godly_a presume_v to_o teach_v man_n in_o a_o assembly_n or_o to_o baptise_v any_o except_o necessity_n constrain_v so_o that_o the_o canon_n inhibit_v woman_n to_o preach_v or_o to_o baptise_v in_o the_o open_a church_n and_o public_a assembly_n and_o this_o be_v a_o sufficient_a answer_n to_o this_o place_n neither_o dother_n it_o impugn_v any_o thing_n affirm_v in_o the_o answer_n chap._n 5._o the._n 12._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 115._o 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the_o 11._o theod._n li._n 4_o cap._n 11._o word_n nor_o minister_a of_o the_o sacrament_n but_o we_o shall_v not_o have_v so_o much_o leisure_n as_o to_o do_v any_o corporal_a or_o bodily_a work_n but_o shall_v be_v like_a unto_o those_o heretic_n which_o be_v call_v of_o the_o syriake_n word_n messalians_n or_o continual_a prayer_n and_o which_o do_v nothing_o else_o but_o prey_n io._n whitgifte_n truth_n be_v never_o contrary_a unto_o itself_o before_o you_o reprove_v the_o book_n of_o common_a prayer_n for_o want_n of_o thanksgiving_n for_o benefit_n receive_v and_o now_o you_o reprove_v it_o for_o appoint_v thanks_n to_o be_v give_v for_o deliverance_n from_o sin_n from_o manifold_a peril_n 3_o pag._n 108._o sect._n 3_o and_o danger_n and_o for_o the_o increase_n of_o god_n people_n all_o which_o thing_n be_v public_a although_o thanks_n be_v give_v by_o a_o private_a person_n for_o in_o deed_n the_o punishment_n and_o danger_n lay_v upon_o all_o womankind_n for_o disobedience_n 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their_o dream_n prophecy_n three_o they_o say_v that_o the_o supper_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o baptism_n do_v neither_o good_a nor_o harm_n to_o any_o man_n fourthlye_a when_o they_o be_v charge_v with_o such_o thing_n they_o will_v not_o stand_v to_o they_o but_o impudent_o deny_v they_o last_o of_o all_o they_o teach_v that_o every_o man_n when_o he_o be_v bear_v do_v take_v of_o his_o parent_n as_o the_o nature_n so_o likewise_o the_o servitude_n of_o devil_n which_o be_v drive_v out_o by_o diligent_a prayer_n the_o holy_a spirit_n enter_v in_o etc._n etc._n this_o be_v all_o that_o theodoret_n in_o that_o place_n report_v of_o those_o heretic_n the_o which_o how_o much_o it_o make_v against_o either_o diligent_a or_o continual_a prayer_n 4._o luc._n 18._o rom._n 12._o epbe._n 6._o coll._n 4._o or_o thanksgiving_n for_o
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not_o appertain_v to_o all_o to_o judge_v of_o this_o case_n likewise_o in_o the_o chronicle_n and_o diverse_a other_o place_n and_o therefore_o i_o conclude_v that_o for_o so_o cha_z 1._o li._n 13._o cha_z much_o as_o those_o be_v necessary_a and_o perpetual_a which_o be_v speak_v of_o in_o those_o word_n tell_v the_o church_n and_o that_o under_o those_o word_n be_v comprehend_v the_o elder_n or_o ancient_n that_o the_o elder_n &_o ancient_n be_v necessary_a and_o perpetual_a officer_n in_o the_o church_n io._n whitgifte_n here_o be_v many_o word_n without_o matter_n &_o a_o great_a thing_n pretend_v to_o no_o purpose_n for_o the_o principal_a office_n of_o charity_n both_o have_v be_v &_o may_v be_v well_o exercise_v without_o your_o senior_n interpret_v dic_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la interpret_v the_o place_n mat._n 18._o do_v in_o no_o respect_n prove_v the_o contrary_n for_o it_o only_o teach_v a_o order_n how_o to_o proceed_v charitable_o in_o private_a offence_n &_o not_o in_o 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be_v to_o tell_v twenty_o beside_o because_o he_o be_v in_o authority_n do_v bear_v the_o office_n of_o a_o public_a magistrate_n who_o have_v power_n public_o to_o correct_v that_o which_o be_v private_o commit_v and_o therefore_o he_o that_o tell_v one_o such_o may_v well_o be_v say_v to_o tell_v the_o church_n because_o he_o tell_v such_o a_o one_o as_o have_v authority_n in_o the_o church_n and_o be_v a_o public_a person_n so_o that_o he_o rise_v from_o private_a admonition_n to_o open_a complaint_n from_o private_a witness_n to_o a_o public_a magistrate_n and_o therefore_o this_o be_v to_o rise_v not_o to_o fall_v to_o proceed_v not_o to_o go_v backward_o but_o admit_v that_o mo_z than_o one_o be_v understand_v by_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n which_o i_o also_o confess_v yet_o do_v it_o
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great_a consideration_n have_v that_o prince_n and_o noble_a man_n and_o such_o as_o have_v authority_n and_o pre-eminence_n in_o the_o church_n be_v choose_v to_o be_v of_o the_o signiory_n and_o will_v you_o make_v noble_a man_n and_o prince_n ecclesiastical_a person_n and_o such_o as_o must_v watch_v over_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n in_o deed_n those_o that_o be_v call_v presbyteri_fw-la in_o the_o scripture_n be_v ecclesiastical_a person_n for_o they_o be_v minister_n of_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n and_o m._n caluine_n institut_fw-la cap._n 8._o sect_n 52._o caluine_n caluine_n say_v that_o all_o the_o senior_n be_v minister_n of_o the_o word_n his_o word_n be_v these_o habebant_fw-la ergo_fw-la singulae_fw-la civitates_fw-la presbyterorun_n collegium_fw-la qui_fw-la pastor_n erant_fw-la &_o doctores_fw-la nam_fw-la &_o apud_fw-la populum_fw-la munus_fw-la docendi_fw-la exhortandi_fw-la &_o corrigendi_fw-la quod_fw-la paulus_n episcopis_fw-la iniungit_fw-la omnes_fw-la 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confirmation_n of_o child_n than_o you_o can_v do_v at_o the_o same_o in_o the_o ordain_v of_o minister_n the_o author_n of_o the_o admonition_n seem_v to_o allow_v of_o confirmation_n but_o not_o as_o it_o be_v now_o use_v for_o the_o which_o because_o they_o show_v no_o reason_n it_o be_v a_o confutation_n most_o meet_a for_o they_o to_o say_v that_o they_o be_v both_o arrogant_a and_o péevish_a of_o burial_n and_o matter_n thereunto_o appertain_a chap._n 6._o the._n 1._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 160._o sect._n ult._n lest_o m._n doctor_n as_o his_o common_a fashion_n be_v when_o the_o corruption_n of_o any_o thing_n be_v speak_v against_o burial_n of_o burial_n say_v that_o we_o condemn_v burial_n
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gualther_n excommunication_n not_o the_o only_a punishment_n use_v in_o the_o church_n gualther_n may_v exercise_v if_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n will_v bear_v it_o for_o reprehension_n be_v a_o discipline_n lawful_a for_o every_o christian_n to_o use_v but_o it_o be_v not_o the_o only_a censure_n for_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n may_v appoint_v other_o as_o shall_v be_v to_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n most_o convenient_a you_o know_v what_o m._n gualther_n say_v 1._o cor._n 5._o as_o the_o roman_a bishop_n upon_o this_o place_n and_o such_o like_a have_v ground_v their_o excommunication_n which_o be_v the_o most_o effectual_a instrument_n of_o their_o tyranny_n whereby_o they_o have_v cruel_o vex_v not_o only_o private_a man_n but_o also_o king_n and_o emperor_n and_o have_v be_v the_o cause_n of_o civil_a war_n and_o sedition_n even_o so_o the_o anabaptist_n while_o they_o persuade_v themselves_o that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o discipline_n without_o excommunication_n they_o trouble_v the_o church_n every_o where_o and_o make_v themselves_o laugh_v stock_n to_o all_o the_o world_n etc._n etc._n let_v every_o church_n follow_v that_o kind_n of_o discipline_n which_o be_v most_o meet_a for_o the_o country_n wherein_o they_o live_v and_o which_o may_v be_v most_o commodious_a in_o respect_n of_o time_n and_o place_n and_o let_v no_o man_n here_o rash_o prescribe_v unto_o a_o other_o or_o seek_v to_o bind_v all_o man_n to_o one_o and_o the_o same_o form_n of_o old_a time_n there_o have_v be_v other_o kind_n of_o punishment_n than_o either_o reprehension_n or_o excommunication_n as_o it_o may_v appear_v even_o in_o that_o canon_n attribute_v to_o the_o apostle_n which_o you_o have_v before_o rehearse_v where_o the_o punishment_n appoint_v be_v deprivation_n as_o it_o be_v also_o in_o the_o most_o of_o the_o other_o canon_n and_o in_o diverse_a other_o counsel_n you_o say_v that_o if_o it_o be_v a_o help_n to_o the_o minister_n office_n that_o he_o shall_v meddle_v with_o the_o civil_a punishment_n why_o shall_v it_o not_o be_v a_o help_n to_o the_o magistrate_n office_n that_o he_o shall_v excommunicate_v etc._n etc._n the_o answer_n be_v soon_o make_v the_o magistrate_n may_v do_v that_o by_o corporal_a punishment_n that_o the_o minister_n can_v not_o do_v by_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n neither_o be_v there_o any_o man_n so_o desperate_a who_o the_o magistrate_n by_o his_o authority_n may_v not_o bridle_v but_o such_o be_v y_fw-fr e_o time_n now_o that_o few_o regard_n the_o great_a censure_n of_o the_o church_n chap._n 3._o the._n 3._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 169._o sect._n 2._o and_o whereas_o m._n doctor_n say_v they_o may_v not_o be_v husband_n man_n craft_n man_n etc._n etc._n and_o yet_o may_v have_v civil_a office_n i_o think_v far_o otherwise_o that_o although_o neither_o be_v lawful_a yet_o the_o one_o be_v more_o tolerable_a than_o the_o other_o for_o see_v after_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o word_n there_o 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and_o help_n to_o his_o office_n &_o function_n as_o i_o have_v say_v wherefore_o they_o be_v so_o far_o from_o break_v his_o back_n that_o they_o make_v the_o rest_n of_o his_o burden_n a_o great_a deal_n the_o easy_a chap._n 3._o the._n 4._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 169._o sect._n 3_o and_o whereas_o in_o the_o policy_n of_o m._n doctor_n it_o seem_v a_o furtherance_n to_o the_o gospel_n to_o join_v these_o together_o which_o be_v also_o the_o policy_n of_o the_o idolater_n as_o i_o have_v before_o declare_v in_o the_o wisdom_n of_o god_n it_o have_v seem_v far_o otherwise_o which_o i_o doubt_v not_o do_v therefore_o separate_v the_o ministry_n from_o this_o pomp_n which_o be_v commendable_a in_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n lest_o the_o efficacy_n and_o power_n of_o the_o simplicity_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o of_o the_o ministry_n shall_v be_v obscure_v while_o man_n will_v attribute_v the_o conversion_n of_o soul_n unto_o the_o gospel_n due_a unto_o the_o word_n and_o 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