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A71273 The verdict upon the dissenters plea, occasioned by their Melius inquirendum to which is added A letter from Geneva, to the Assembly of Divines, printed by His late Majesties special command, with some notes upon the margent under his own royal and sacred hand : also a postscript touching the union of Protestants. Womock, Laurence, 1612-1685.; Diodati, Giovanni, 1576-1649. Answer sent to the ecclesiastical assembly at London by the reverend, noble, and learned man, John Deodate. 1681 (1681) Wing W3356; ESTC R36681 154,158 329

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Evidence to the contrary therefore according to the Liberty purchased for us saith he we do retain these Ceremonies which are indifferent in themselves and no where forbidden by the Word of God And that the Nature of things indifferent may remain entire Christian Liberty safe and the Truth unshaken we are resolved not to yield no not so much as for one moment to the intemperance of our Adversaries who under a pretence of Zeal do nothing in matters of Religion but with tumult and an immoderate Asperity Thus the Learned Meisner on behalf of the Lutherans Yet I cannot omit another pregnant Evidence of their strictness in adhering to their establishment which we find in an Extract out of the National Synod held by the Churches of France at Charenton in September 1631. In the Chapter which contains their General Acts their Answer made to an Address of some of the Lutheran Perswasion Translated into English either by Mr. Samuel Hartlip or Mr. John Dury Printed 1641. runs in these very words viz. Touching the request made by the Province of Burgoigne that such of the Faithful as embrace the Augustane Confession might be permitted to Contract Marriages and bring their Children to be baptized in our Churches without abjuring the former Opinions which they hold contrary to the Belief of these Churches The Synod doth declare that seeing the Churches of the Confession of Ausburg do agree with the other Reformed Churches in the Principles and Fundamental Points of true Religion and that in their Discipline and Form of Divine Worship there is neither Idolatry nor Superstition Such of the Faithful of that Confession as shall with the Spirit of Charity and in a truly Peaceable way joyn themselves unto the Publick Assemblies of the Churches in this Kingdom and desire to Communicate with them may without the Abjuration aforesaid be admitted to the Holy Table Contract Marriages with the Faithful of our Confession and present themselves in the quality of God-Fathers to the Children which shall be baptized Upon their Promise given to the Consistory that they will never solicite them to Contradict or do any thing directly or indirectly against the Doctrine believed and professed in our Churches but shall content themselves with giving them Instruction only in things wherein we all agree The Note in the Geneva Bible at 1 Cor. 14. 38. is worth our observation The Church ought not to care for such as be stubbornly ignorant and will not abide to be taught but to go forward notwithstanding in those things which are right Nay in their Books of Discipline as was observed above they Decree That such as will not acquiesce in the Decision of their National Synod and expresly cast of their Errours shall be cut off from the Communion of the Church And this we find practised in Genevah with great severity for Goulartius and the rest of the Consistory deprived Rotarius one of their Ministers and thrust him out of their City and which is more they hunted him by their Letters out of a Town not far from thence which had entertain'd him for their Pastour And all this was done because he gave the Cup in his own Church with his own hand not permitting a Lay-man to deliver it This Fact of his was not the breach of any Ancient Canon of the Church but consonant to our Saviour's own Practice at the Institution of the Sacrament yet being against the Custome of that place they did thus sharply punish it And Mr. Calvin does seem to justifie such rigour upon a Rule of the Apostle 1 Cor. 11. 16. which affords him this Observation Authoritate magìs compescendos esse pervicaces rixandi cupidos quàm refellendos longis disputationibus that is Such as are stubborn and addicted to dispute and wrangle and refuse to sit down quietly by the Publick Determinations and Practice of the Church are not to be treated with Disputations but to be bridled by Authority And there 's AN END AN ANSWER Sent to the Ecclesiastical Assembly at LONDON By the Reverend Noble and Learned Man JOHN DEODATE THE Famous professor of Divinity And most vigilant Pastor of GENEVAH With some Marginal Notes by the late King Printed at Newcastle by Stephen Bulkley 1647. The Translators Preface To the Simple Seduced Reader Reader MAy the Father of Lights open thine Eyes to see over this Strangers shoulders and by this Impartial perspective what thou whilst kept down thus low by the new Masters and through thy Seducers false Mediums hast not hitherto been suffered to perceive it being till now purposely hid from thine Eyes Behold a meer Stranger that notwithstanding his manifold Obligations and personal ingagements to a contrary Discipline in the Church and different form of Government in the State yet overruled by the manifest Truth and Honesty of the Kings Cause breaks through all those Restraints of his Liberty as far as he may to tell the thus much plain English Truth Behold here Geneva's veneration and full vindication too of thine own Mother the Church of England as it stood under Episcopacy traduced here at home by her own spurious Brood for Superstitious Popish Antichristian what not And this Apology directed to the Assemblymen in answer to their Letter what ever it was Behold here again a clear Justification of the King vilified by his own for that for which strangers do admire him his Clemency his Inclinations to Peace his Acts of Grace c. Behold here the Root of Gall that which hath brought forth all these National Mischiefs the Popular Tumults and Conspiracies pointed at there as the only Evident Cause of the Kings Divorce from the Parliament See here by whom poor Ireland was deserted one thing also thou mayst here take notice of from these standers by That the Clergy in their own proper Sphere may be as fit and as honest and perhaps in some respect more able for the good speed of a Treaty than those that do slight them with utter preterition Last of all behold here the Loyal and Religious Subjects only Militia or his own proper Magazine to witt the known Laws of the Land that and Prayer and Submission are the only defensive weapons allowed here by this Master of Fence I say no more to thee save only that I do heartily pity thee and therefore I do still pray for thee and for all thy fellow-bondmen That God will bring into the way of Truth all such as have erred and deceived Amen Reverend Godly and worthy Sirs our Dear Brethren and Companions in the work of the Lord. IF proportionably to the grief we have conceived at your Letters wherein you have expressed the most sad face of your Affaires we had but as much Ability either by our Consolations to asswage your sorrows or by our Counsels to ease your Burthens or by any our Co-operation to help your Extremity we should think our selves very happy in so well corresponding with your Honourable and most
Rule a just Authority and a due Appointment The Order must first be duely made and then carefully observed 1. For this cause left I thee in Crete saith St. Paul to Titus that thou shouldst set in order the things that are wanting The foundations were laid and the men instructed in all the Articles which concern'd the sum of Salvation what concern'd the Government the Order and Decorum of the Church These things were yet wanting and great care was to be taken lest these Cretians should forget the Truth they had been taught or suffer themselves to be drawn from it by perverse and wicked Teachers Therefore to supply what was requisite to the Conservation external Discipline and Ornament of the Church of Crete Titus was left there and impower'd by the Great Apostle Such Orders we find made among the Corinthians 1 Cor. 7. 11. 14. 16. and among the Colossians Col. 2. 5. And when such Orders were made the Apostle was very strict to have them observed 2 Thess. 3. 11 14. Let all things be done decently and according to order 1 Cor. 14. ult He had scattered some Notions about Rites aud Ceremonies in the former part of his Epistle but here he collects all into one short sum He does establish an Order to avoid Confusion and preserve a Decorum in God's publick Worship and Service and this Mr. Calvin makes the Rule Ad quam omnia quae ad externam politiam spectant exigere Convenit which is to measure all things that belong to the outward Polity and administration of the Church The Power to Decree and make such Orders is lodged in the hands of such as are in Authority The Bishops who are called Stewards and Rulers who have the Keys of Christ's Kingdom intrusted to them A power of Jurisdiction both Directive and Coercive This power we find exercised by single persons and persons Convened in Councils whose Authority is of greater extent and veneration The rest will I set in order when I come saith St. Paul 1 Cor. 11. ult from whence Grotius does very well infer that the Apostles had Right and Authority to appoint such things as served for Good Order the Liturgy of the Church and the Ministery about Holy things Haec est Origo Canonum qui dicuntur Apostolici Here saith he is the Original of those Canons which are called the Apostles which tho' not all written yet were brought into use by them And we see St. Paul invested Titus with the like Power For this cause left I thee in Crete that thou shouldst set in order the things that are wanting This charge the Apostle gives that no man might think Titus undertook any thing of his own head or the desire of vain glory but according to the mind and at the command of the Apostle saith Crocius But it may be objected That the Apostles and Apostolick men were inspired of the Holy Ghost and did act by Revelation To this I answer If they had done all by immediate Inspiration there had been no need of Ocular Inspection But St. Paul did not only receive Information touching the state of particular Churches but he comes to see their temper and observe their wants and what will be most convenient for their present Condition before he offers to establish Orders to regulate their practice 1 Cor. 11. the last The rest will I set in order when I come But if he had made Orders by Revelation he might have done it at a distance That the Apostles and Revelations is out of question And that they took pains to search the Scriptures and had been instructed in them by Christ himself cannot be denied 'T is certain also That after such instruction and search of Scriptures as wise men they knew how to use their Reason better than others of their quality Hereupon when they Taught being endued with more than a vulgar stock of Grace and Divine assistance they propounded not only those Revelations which they had received but also whatever they had attain'd to under the Discipline of Christ and by a continual search of Scripture and the Prudent use of Reason And so in a different respect they may be call'd Prophets and Divine Doctors That Title was due to them as they had their Prophetical Revelations This as they confirm'd their Doctrine after an infallible manner both by a Divine assistance above the vulgar rate and by holy Scripture and their own Reason But that St. Paul did not order all things by immediate Inspiration is evident from his own Text 1 Cor. 7. 25 And herein Mr. Calvin makes him an example of a faithful Teacher Fidelis hîc veracem Significat qui non tantum pio zelo agit quod agit sed etiam Scientiâ praeditus est purè fideliter doceat such a one as is a Man of Truth who acts not only out of a pious Zeal but out of a pure and stedfast Knowledge Neque enim in doctore sufficit bonus animus nisi adfit prudentia veri cognitio For a good meaning is not sufficient in a Teacher unless he be endued with Wisdom and the knowledge of the Truth It will be a very hard matter to prove that Titus who had Authority to make Orders in the Church did act by inspiration The whole Epistle which St. Paul wrote to him being a kind of Ritual or System of Canons for his direction in the management of his Episcopal Office speaks otherwise And yet if we speak of a more general assistance of the Holy Ghost I doubt not but the Bishops and Prelates of the Church when they weigh and establish their Decrees and Canons according to the Rule of God's Word have a fair Title to it from the Promise of our Saviour Mat. 28. 20 Loe I am with you always to the end of the world This Power is essential to the Church and inherent in the Governours thereof who did exercise the same when there was never a Christian Magistrate in the world 'T is true God was pleased to supply the want of such Civil Administrations by a miraculous assistance for such as were delivered up unto Satan by the Censures of the Church He had Power grievously to afflict them and many times did torment them bodily How long this miraculous assistance lasted or whether it be in any measure in the Greek Church now under Persecution as some affirm I shall not take upon me to determine But this I am sure of Christ did not intend to leave his Church always exposed and like an Orphan for he has promised her Thou shalt suck the breast of Kings Isa. 60. 16. that is v. 10. Kings shall minister unto thee And to the same purpose Isa. 49. 23. Kings shall be thy nursing Fathers and their Queens thy nursing Mothers which signifies saith Mr. Calvin their Ministery and obsequiousness to