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A09101	A discouerie of I. Nicols minister, misreported a Iesuite, latelye recanted in the Tower of London Wherin besides the declaration of the man, is contayned a ful answere to his recantation, with a confutation of his slaunders, and proofe of the contraries, in the Pope, cardinals, clergie, students, and priuate men of Rome. There is also added a reproofe of an oratiuon and sermon, falsely presented by the sayd Nicols to be made in Rome, and presented to the Pope in his consistorye. Wherto is annexed a late information from Rome touchng [sic] the aute[n]tical copie of Nicols recantation.	Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610.	1581 (1581)	STC 19402; ESTC S120349	83,096	196

enter into this howse of Conuertites maye not turne backe or go fourth againe but must perseuer there al their life which manie of these dishonest womē can not at the first resolue them selues to doe Therfore haue the noble matrones of Rome procured another howse called Casa pia Casa pia behinde Pantheō where these women may come for a time to proue what they will resolue vppon in which time the sayed matrones The great care of ho●est lyfe in Romane Matron● doe omitt no meanes to perswade them from all dishonestie for the time to come and do offer to prouide for them by good seruices with vertuous gētle women if they can not resolue them selues to enter into the monasterie of Conuertites by this meanes also many be reclaimed from wikednes sinne 7 Men adiudged to dye Concerning these which are adiudged to dye the citizens of Rome doe shewe themselues very charitable peitiful for they haue amongest other a Societie named the companie of mercie Societas mis●ricordia● whoe receaue into their costodie all such as are condemned to dye towardes whom they vse all humanitie and gentle dealing neuer leauinge them day nor nighte vntil the time of executiō be past If the prisoner haue any children they promise him to take order for them and soe they doe as also for his debtes if he be trowbled with any if he haue any enemies they bring them vnto him to be reconciled after that they reade good bookes vnto him and cause vertuous men to preache and make exhortations to like effecte they watche also with him and cause praiers to be saied for him and finallie they accompanie him to the place of executiō thēce receaue his body burie it causing certaine Masses to be saied for his soule These are the general points of the good works done in Rome which I haue touched bréefely leauinge out many more things then I haue mentioned for breuities sake But he that would cōceaue the multitude of thes works which ar done by the Romanes let him but read the bookes of the Societies or companies in Rome which being in nūber aboue 80. as I noted before euery societie besids the ordinary seruice of god exercising some particuler good worke The cause of so many good workes in Rome it must néeds be that such good workes are many in Rome I haue made mentiō before of y● societie of charitie which haue care of prisōs of the society of mercy which taketh care of cōdemned men and of some other Societies which haue care of Hospitalls But yet those are not all the good déedes which those societies doe for the societie of charitie doth besids geue 50. crownes a moneth vnto the Cōuertits doth marry 22. maids yéerly geuing thē 30. crouns a péece with new aparel also it distributeth euery soūday great quātity of bread vnto the poore Now if I shoulde speake of all other Societies strange liberalitie in marrying of mayds I should be to tedious But yet by thes two or thrée wordes which I say of a fewe you may iudge of the reste The Societie of the Annūciata La compagnia dell Anuonciata doe bury straungers and poore people which dye in Rome causing masses to be saide for thē and it marrieth euery yeare 180. maydes geuing eche of them 35. crownes with new apparel The Societie of the Conception La compagnia della Concettione dothe marrye euerye yeare 30. maydes geuinge them 20. crownes a péece with apparel The Societie of S. Angelo marieth euery yeare 20. maides with 25. crownes a péece and apparell The Societie of Confalones La compagnia delli Confalonieri marriethe yearly an vncertaine number with 18. crownes a péece and apparell The Societie of Brescians geueth 20. crownes The Societie of Bononians 35. crownes The Societie of Neopolitās 35. crownes The Societie of S. Apostolo besides helping of poore gentlefolkes dothe attende to make peace betwen enemies The Societie of Weepinge La Compagnia del P●anto dothe goe to poore people and visit them in their sicknes at their owne howses and geueth them phisicke all necessaries besides with apothicarie ware The Societie of the Name of God La Compagnia del nom● di Dio. besides other good workes attendeth to reprehend them which blaspheme or sweare or abus● the name of God The Societie of S. Laurence in Damaso besides other good thinges attēdeth alwaies to wayte on the blessed Sacramente and to goe before it with lightes when it is caried to the sicke The Societie of S. Marcellus attendeth principallye to procure prayers and masses to be saide for the sowles of all Christians departed Besides all this euery one of all these Societies and the reste haue their particuler déedes of charitie seuerall to them selues as peculier litle hospitalles howses for orphanes and the like And this shal be sufficient for the Societies or compagnies Besides al which the almes and good deedes of perticuler men Almes and good deede● of particuler men in Rome are infinite for diuers Romans will take vppon them diuers particuler workes of charitie as some to maintain one or two poore schollers of other countries as the vnder Penitentiarie maintained alwayes an English man or two and soe other of other nations Some will take vppon them to helpe in particuler some religious howse Some to sustaine some poore familie Other to visite euery daye once the sicke people of some hospital especially those that are in worst case and next to deathes dore Besides this ther is scarse any artezane in Rome which hath not some chappell in some church with a vawte in the same for the burying therin of his familie which chappel he maintaineth of his owne charges Moreouer at the station daies of Rōe Great almes geauen at station dayes in Rome which are euery holy day in the year euery day of the lente sundery daies besides these station daies are daies of repaire to some particuler churches in Rōe for deuotions sake you shall scarse finde a citizen which wil not be there or some of his howshould for him to pray with the rest bestow sumwhat on the poore which are there to expect almes in great numbers notwithstanding the hospitales it is almost increadible how many there are in soe muche that this laste yeare of Jubelie the Pope seeing the infinite nūber● of beggers about the churches wher the statiōs were spake to his officers to intice them away whoe did soe and offered them meate and drinke in the hospitals and a Iulio a daye besides a Iulio is vi d Englishe for a monethe And yet they woulde not take it Which being tould to the Pope he commaunded them to be permitted still saying The Popes saying o● many● beggers That their sighte did much good in procuring men to compassion to geue almes which otherwise many would not doe And soe in déed it fell out

A Discouerie of I. Nicols minister misreported a Iesuite latelye recanted in the Tower of London Wherin besides the declaration of the man is con●ayned a ful answere to his recantation with a con●utation of his slaunders and proofe of the contraries in the Pope Cardinals Clergie Studentes and priuate men of Rome There is also added a reproofe of an oration and sermon falsely pretended by the sayd Nicols to be made in Rome and presented to the Pope in his Consistorye Wherto is annexed a late information from Rome touch●ng the autētical copie of Nicols recantation IHS God hathe exalted him and geuen him a name whiche is aboue all names Philippens 2.ver.9 There is no other name vnder heauen geuen vnto men wherin we must be saued Act. 4 ver 12 A lyeing witnes shall haue an yuel ende Pro. 21. An non ex hac odiosa impudentia pullulabit mox impoenitentia mater desperationis Bern. Ser. 42. in Can. 1 A preface shewing different proceeding in ●atholicks and their aduersaries with a diuision of the booke into three partes 2 The firste parte contayneth a narration of Iohn Nicolls with a refutation of certayne vayne and false vauntes made of him selfe 3 The seconde parte contayneth a confutation of many malitious slaunders vttered by Nicolls againste Catboliques but especiallie and more in particuler against the Pope the Cardinals priestes and religious men the English studentes in Rome diuers particuler persons and againste the cittye of Rome it selfe where also the contraries to Nicols reportes are declared 4 The third parte contayneth an explication and defence of certayne controuersies misunderstood and absurdly peruerted by Nicols 5 Nicols oration sermon published in english since the writing of this booke pretended by him as made in Rome presented to the Pope are conuinced of forgery by manifest absurdities impossibilities and contradictions 6 Also there is added a late information from Rome of the true copie of Nicols recantation in that place 7 Lastly there is put downe an example 〈◊〉 a tast of Nicols talent in rayling at both sides TO the indifferente Reader IT IS one poynte among other o● very bare brokers to extol immoderatly very base wares And it is not the guise but of needye distressed warryers The aduersaries pouertie to receaue wi●h trōpet to place of dignitie euerie ragged and wandering fugitiue Which two thinges notwithstanding with no smal discredite of their owne cause some aduersaries of ours haue followed of late in soe greedye receauing and aduauncinge to the pulpet with measureles commendation one Iohn Nicoles farre vnfitte in mine opinion for soe great a doe beinge but a reiected thing of the contrarie parte a séelie grammarian and twise reuolted minister Whose recantation or rayling rather inuectiue published not long since from the Tower of London In februarie Ano. 1581. I coulde more willinglye haue pittied then aunswered knowing the mans féeblenes as I doe but only for that he surchargeth with slaunder soe manie other men yea Princes and states in that his declamation as it was harde for me whiche before god in my conscienes knewe all or moste of it to be forged to hould my peace in soe manyfest vntruthes and by silence to yelde credite to the manye malytious and reproche●ul reportes The dealing also of our aduersaries in this case and she like moued me not a little to answere whoe shame not to proclaime triumphes vpon soe base conquestes against their mother the Catholique Church whoe hath borne them and brought them vp and whoe if she would but a litle folow the same course Different dealing in Catholiques their aduersaries not in falshed and malice as they doe but in euident truthe ether by noting the knowen vices of her enemies which rather she soroweth and hartely be wayleth or in vaunting the gaine of suche as daylye by goddes g●ace returne againe from rebellion she might easely in bothe these things matche and ouermatche the lauishe tōgues of her reuoulted children were she not restrained by charytie in the one and by grauitie in the other For touching the first who doth not knowe that if in lewe of this and the like t●● notable infamous a●tes of ministers preachers onlye in this one Realme of Englande for the space of one doson years past Looke the crowne off●●● and other lyke recordes w●re ga●hered into some one booke ●or the vewe of the worlde they would be more in quantitie and in qualitie more haynous then al that they haue gathered by great laboure muche falshod in their seueral bookes out of the liues of the worste Catholiques for these thowsand yeres past ouer all the whole worlde And yet these men ●or●oothe came as prophetes to re●orme vs and our f●thers liues and ther●ore in reason should haue liued more exactly them selues And touching the second who dothe not sée the great varietie of important learned personages which from time to time vppon trial of the truthe doe retourn● vnto vs euen from their ministerie and they also of other qualitie and talente then séelye Iohn Nicols whoe in good soothe is not worthe the taking vp being sounde in the stréete and yet we vaunt not of eache thing in printe nor sturre we tragedies vpon litle trifles We are contente to leaue this to our aduersaries whose fraude or feruor is to make mountaines of molehilles and greate speache vppon small matter If any man wil doubt wh●ther such returne of Protestantes be made vnto vs or noe as I noted before passing ouer other places let him cast his eye but vpon these Seminaries and Colleges on this side the seas where English studentes are and he shal finde a great and principal part therof to haue bene in times past not onely of there religion but also towardes there ministerie Ministrye to Preisthode whoe on the contrary can not shew me any one Préest in these later yeres perverted by them I add in these later yeres for that albeit in the beginning of heresie when first the banner of sedition was raysed agaynst the Church great multitudes of people reuolted together as in al commotions is wonte to happe by some generall fa●se sugg●stion of the principal rebels Cause of former reuolting and present re●urninge yet afterward the heate being past and more calmer consideration coming in place men haue staied them selues and harkened to the cause and diuers also returned which in the first furie ranne out with the rest of which two sortes both the one and the other remayne better fortified for resisting of lyke error for the time to come The meanes which haue bene vsed generally to preistes taken these later yeres for I wil conceale tower matters in particuler for the withdrawing of them in religion haue bene many and strong and qualified in both extremities of rigor and alluremēt promises and minaces and yet so great is God his goodnes no one I say not any one hath vnto this day faultered But of ministers

o●fer it Of the Cardinals Next after the Pope let vs sée what Iohn Nicols bringeth against the Cardinales Wherein I muste be shorter then in the other before both for that I haue not so● muche spare time as Ihon Nicols in the Tower maye haue as also to obey the wise mans counsaile Prou. 26. Answer not a foole according to his folye leste thou also becume like vnto hin Which sentence that I bring not against Ihon Nicols without iust cause shall appeare by his maner of accusing the Cardinals which is very fowle as foloweth First sayth he I will beginne with your Cardinales the pillars of your churche Haue not they bewtifull boyes with whome they committ the sinne of Sodome as I haue harde by the Romans How this sinn is punished in Rome ●ee after in the answer to Rome and by a gentelman whoe serued to Cardinal Sfoisie who trauailed by land with me from the cittie of Ancona to Venice haue not these younge Cardinales pretye wenches in their palaces An improb●ble slaunder whome in the daye time they cal ether their sisters or cosins and in the night time make them ether their bedfelowes or concubins And doe you not knowe how that there was a younge Cardinale a Prince An impuden●●lye burnte at Rome not longe since by a common queane of the s●ewes and tooke from her the frenche disease wherwith he dyed miserablye This is Iohn Nicols vncleane accusation of the Cardinals grounded only as you sée vppon a bare interrogation which alwayes may be answered iu●siciently with a No. But for that I wil not imitate his slanderous maner of dealing I meane to add proofe and reason to my Noe. Yet first I am enforced to complaine of some other men whose wisdom or grauitey should haue stayed the publishinge of suche scurrilitie as héere is put downe against soe many honarable parsons and some Princes also without anie proofe or reason at all I doe apeale héerin to the consciences of al modest and ciuil gentelmen be they of what opinion in religion soeuer The publishing of Nicols scurrilitie against lawe both of nature and Nations Whether it be not against al lawe both of nature and nations and against the dignitie of our kinde being men to suffer soe shameles filthe both lothsum and intollerable to any chaste eares without all proofe to be caste out against soe noble parsonages which neuer offended vs and to be published in printe to the vewe of the worlde If some wicked mann should aduenture the like against vs● in other countries and should set downe such particulariteis of dishonestie ether heard or deuised against our Nobilitie and Maiestrates and shoulde offer to printe it would not very natural shamfastnes cause men to suppresse it were they neuer soe contrarie in religion yes surely For there is humane respecte to be vsed euen towardes our enemies Although therfore the base spirite of Nicols shamed not to set abroche suche dregges of dishonestie to the reproche of soe manie woorthy men yet me thinketh respecte of common ciuilitie should haue moued those by whose allowance the matter passed to haue stayed or qualified soe reprochfull infamies powred out without certainty or ground of truth For what doth he bring for proofe of his reproches but only an vncertaine hear-say the reporte of a wandring seruing man if it be true as I think it false that any such conferred with him And is this sufficient to publish the auouchmēt of y● infamous horible crime against al Cardinales without exception The whole matter is quikly answered For the first poynte is a méere supposall suggested by enuie and vttered by malice For the Cardinales kéepe noe suche b●wtiful boyes nether is ther anie light suspition of such wickednes in anye of them and if thers were they could not esape the seueritis of iustice excersised in that place vppon this detestable sinne The second poynt is an improbable slaunder for that Cardinales keepe no women at all in their howses noe not their owne sisters Nether shall a man see any woman repayre to any Cardinals howse excepte vppon special knowen busines in the companie of men with whom they departe presently againe and yet this thing is soe rare a matter also as in mani● yeares you shal not sée some fewe to vse it The third poynt of the young Prince Cardinale is an impudent and apparentlye reprouable in the face of al the worlde For there was no young Prince Cardinal in Rome these manie yeares but onlye about three yeares past Card. A●striacus the Cardinal of Austria cossen german to the Emporour whoe albeit he were younge yet according to his vertuouse education he liued in Rome most innocently as also he dothe nowe in the courte of Spaine without al spote of such infamie as Ihon Nicols would enforce vppon him But ●et Nicols name the man that dyed in Rome and proue but this one reproche ●o be true and I wil yéelde in al the rest ●ut if he cannot then let him be sory that ●e hath reported it or his fauorers that they haue published it or at least the simple reader that he euer beléeued it being soe ●niust a slaunder And albeit this might stand for a suff●cient aunswere to soe vnsufficient an accusation yet for the more satisfaction of the reader and to shewe how farre of the liues of Cardinals are from occasiōs of thes obiected abhominations being al together occupied in vertuous affaires I wil touch bréefely the order of life and cōmon excersises of the most of the Cardinals The excersises of Cardinals in Rome● with their particuler inclinatiōs which for the most part is in one of thes fower kinde of vertuous excersises following that t s to saye in gouerning the Church in aduauncing learning in excersise of charitable deedes and in rare example of Pastorall lyfe In eche wherof albeit I name but few which are principal and alwayes present at Rome yet muste you vnderstande that these men haue their adherentes and followers bothe in Rome and abroad in other coūtries also Wisdome in gouernment And for the first which is gouerment I wil name only thrée that is Cardinal Como Sauello and Morono whose singuler giftes in that matter doe excell Cardinal Como Como is Secretarie to the Pope and directeth all actions of state which passe from him Cardi. Sauello Sauello is Uicar generall in spiritual matters and gouerneth the Cleargie with great zeale and sinceritie Card● Morono Morono is deane of the Consistorie and is commonly employed in Embassages abrode wherin he hath shewed him selfe a man of great valewe especially in his last iornie to Genua about 4. yeares past when by long laboure and peril to his owne parson he quieted set at vnion by the helpe of Benedictus Palmius of the Societie of Iesus the cittezens of Genua soe farr in discord amongest them selues the commonaltie against the gentelmen as it

in preaching to their flockes or expounding the Cathechisme euery sonnday and holy daye according to the councel of Trent Ses. 24. ca. we shal finde it very vnlikely that Italian priestes could not aunswer Iohn Nicols whether God the father the holye Ghost haue bodies or noe If there were any such matter talked of as I dout very much yet the error might eas●ly be cōmitted A probable ges●e of Nicols false reporte ether by them in not vnderstanding Ihon Nicols Italian or by him in not perceauing their answer For they mistaking his eydle demande which no man but his like wold haue made might answere him to a nother question of some discretion saying that God the father and the holy Ghost beinge without bodies might nothwithstanding be represēted vnto vs in bodies as God the father was represēted to Daniel Dan. 7. Math. 3. in the shape of an ould man and the holy Ghost to Ihon Baptist in forme of a doue that the Church lawfully vseth the same now This I saye they might perhaps answer But for the other question wherof no childe in Italie is ignorante it was as impossible for Italian priestes to answer soe grosly as it was easie for Iohn Nicols simplicitie to aske it and for his malice to reporte it nowe in printe The second thing which Nicols obiecteth against Italian priestes and especially them of Rome is dishonestie in life which he proueth not but only by his accustomed waye of interrogation And first of Monkes Ihon Nicols ●launder of monkes aunswered Was there not saith he at Rome a whole monasterie of suche as beare a siluer crosse in their handes and are appareled in blew full of women that went in habit of thes monkes and were they not espyed at the last and escaped vnpunished To which I aunswer there was noe suche thing and all Rome will beare me witnes of the same as also manye English men which all Nicols time were there and neuer heard mention of anie such enormitie And it appeareth by that which he addeth Of their vnpunishment after they were knowen That all is his owne inuention for filling vp his booke and flattering his exhibitors For that such matters once knowen escape not vnpunished in Rome Seuere iustice vppon a fryar apeareth well by the iustice done vppon a Spanish fryer in his time for a lesse matter then he reporteth albeit in the same kinde that is he was publiquely hanged at the bridge of S. Angelo for running out of Spaine with an other mans wise which facte of his was the onlye great offence heard of in Rome by any of his profession these manie yeres Noe lesse impious is Nicols seconde slaunder againste all priestes of Rome where he saythe Nicols slaunder of Prieste● refuted That they goe without punishment openlye to the stewes and that he hath seene them with his eyes embracing the queanes Which is soe false a slaunder as hath greatly to feare the saying of Scripture which is Pro. 21. That a lying witnes shall haue an euell ende For it is soe salse that suche thinges are practized or permitted publiquely in Rome as the halfe of that whiche he reporteth is sufficiente to depose any priest from his liuing in that place and to suspende him from his function and besides to procure him selfe halfe a dosen stretches of the Strappado The strppado● which is greater punishment then al cleargie men in England would willinglye admitt for suche offences Wherfore his exclamation is ridiculus where he saythe Oh if a minister heerin England should commit suche abhoemination and scape vnpunished howe would you crye out cet This I saye is ridiculus For what their ministers doe commit in this kinde of sinne notwithstandinge their owne wiues wée heare and other men sée and the worlde abroade can witnes and howe seuerlye they are punished some late exampels haue declared And yet we crye not out excepte to God alone nor endeuour we to proclaime al in printe if we would as perhappes we maye héerafter beinge thus prouoked yet haue we truthe sufficient to put downe néede not damne our selues by lyeing as Nicols séemeth resolued to doe I doe not defend all priestes in Rome for Saintes as you will not I think al your ministers our reformers But this I saye to the confu●ion of your malice which al indifferent men that know the place wil testifie with me that as lytle outward scandal is geuen in Rome as in any one place of the worlde besides To which I will add without detraction frō anye place that I haue founde more inwarde honestie learning zeale religion deuotion in seculer priestes of Rome then in any place else of Christendome He that will make profe of this lett him frequent the florentine congregatiō of seculer priestes The excercises of Seculer Priestes in Rome at S. Ieroms church by the English Colledge or at their new churche named Puzzo Bianco Also lett him repaire to the Rosarie Congregatiō at our Ladyes church Supra Mineruam and he shall heare euery festiual day such spiritual excercises in those places that is such lerned discorses on spiritual maters suche exhortations to vertue such detestations of vice such déepe considerations of our ende and thinges belonging to our ende of our accounte after death of casualties in this life and of our dewties in euery mans present estate as is able to moue anye hard or stonnye hart And all these excercises are done by the seculer priestes of Rome with greate payne much studdye and no small charges and yet all this is voluntarie and not by anye compulsion The effects of spirituall congregations in Rome By meanes of these learned and zelous excercises much good is done in Rome vpon diuers persons which come to heare them being of all sortes many both temporal and spiritual and amōgst other dyuers wilde yong gentlemen resorting thither of curiositie to heare are often times so pearsed by speaches vttered in those exercises as they presently chaunge the order of their lyfe become most vertuous and sober the rest of their dayes Soundrie great mutations of life are wrought also in greater personages by helpe of the sayed exercises which would neuer be if the Romane priestes whoe are doers in the same were such wicked lyuers as Iohn Nicolls affirmeth Of the English students in Rome Iohn Nicolls slaunder of the students refuted Iohn Nicols to omit no part of a perfect Sicophant picketh occasion of quarrels and detraction to his owne felow-students of the Romane Colledge whoe neuer offēded him but rather from whō he hath receaued great loue and curtesie And because he had no fact to charg them withal he inuented a very odious matter which was malitious words against her Maiestie and diuers of her honorable counsayle also against some other chéefe men in ecclesiasticall causes The effecte of which wordes were that they threatned forsoothe the forsaide great parsonages if

be the things neuer so honest or lawful of them selues this man draweth all to a corrupt meaning as you see Of the permision o● the stewes But héere before I passe any furder I must say a word or two touching the stewes in Rome the permission wherof by the Pope by other Catholike Princes in their coūtries is accounted so heinous a matter by our aduersaries as it may not be answered but that we therby alow of vnchast life Which is a most false wrongfull charge as may apéere by that which foloweth First the Pope with al Catholiques that euer wrot condemneth detesteth the acte of simple fornication as a deadly sine dānable to the doers without repētance And our aduersaries shall neuer be able to charge truly our Catholique doctrine wth the cōtrarie Secondly notwithstāding this detestation the ciuil magistrat may for the auoiding of a worse incōueni●nce tollerat or permit this sinn in some degrée without fault Tolleratinge of stewes noe alowinge of them without any alowing of the sinne it selfe As God doth tollerat with wicked men and with many wicked actes in the world which he detesteth might notwithstāding let thē if he would yet he dothe not alowe of thē for that he permitteth them Thirdly that a naughty wicked thing may somtimes be necessary consequently tollerated without fault the corruption and lewd inclinatiō of men supposed It apereth plainly by S. Paul who saith 1. Cor. 11. Math. 18. that heresies of necessitie must be by Christ who affirmeth that scandals must néedes come yet nether Christ alowed of scandals nor S. Paul of heresies Fowerthly I might aske why the protestants in England doe permit vsery by their lawes that is doth not punish men for taking vnder ten of the hundreth They must néedes aunswere that they allowe not of the sinne but that they doe it for the auoiding of a greater inconuenience which is leste by punishing all vsurie as the Catholique Church dothe no man would lende any monye at all The causes why the stewes is permitted Soe then the Pope and other Christian Princes for the auoidinge of a greater inconuenience séeing the corruption of some men wil alwayes be such as beinge restrained of this would breake to worse matters and hauing learned by longe experience as S. Austen affirmed also of his time that if this publique sink should be taken away the infection wold rushe into priuate howses as in parte I thinke may be noted in our own coūtrie if we compare the chastitie of our fathers dayes when such a place was permitted with the times which haue followed since the taking away therof considering also that the tolleratinge with this publique sinke is no wayes any allowance of the sinne for these causes I say Christian Maiestrates haue alwaies permitted this publique scandal protesting to their subiectes by the words of S. Ierome which he vseth in a like matter vppon Christes wordes Li. 3. comment in math 18. It is of necessitie that scandals should come but yet woe to that man which by his faulte maketh that to be which otherwise in the world must needes be That is to say of necessitie there must for causes a stewes be permited but yet woe vnto him whiche haunteh the stewes or vseth this permission Soe that the thing is permitted of necessitie in general but no mans going thither alowed in particuler Wherof it commeth that there is no prince in the world which doth or can vse more meanes then the Pope dothe Meanes vsed by the Pope for withdrawing lewde women from their naughty lyfe to draw al men from that vice to reforme thos miserable women thēselues which liue in that kind of life in his dominions For first they are shut vp in one stréete with a note of infamie not only to them selues but to all those who repaire vnto them Sec●ndly they are debarred of all spiritual cōsolation for they remaine vnable to receaue any sacramēt as long as they abide in that trade of life Thirdly they are depriued of al credit or countenāce in the world abrode so that if any of thē shold be found in a Coche both horses Coche are ipso facto forfeited Fowerthly they make no testamēt except they haue lawful childrē but al their goodes must goe to the conuertites Conuertites that is to thos which are conuerted from that kinde of abhominable life Fiftly the Pope causeth euery wéeke some religious men to repaire to that place ther in the middest of the stréete to prech hell dānation vnto them for their wickednes And lastly he hath prouided a goodly monastery for all thē which wil leaue that state to enter into ther to be maintained whiles they liue with a very competent sufficient prouision of an honest vertuous life By which meanes diuers are recalled daily from their wickednes Which thinges being so let the indifferēt reader iudge how vniustly the Pope is charged with alowing of ther lewd behauiour as God whoe is not partial will one daye declare Thus hauing answerd Ihō Nicols vntrue slanderous reportes of the citie of Rome it shal not be amisse according to my promise to bestow sōe few words in declaring the pietie of this cittie which euery man that hath séene it is not blinded with partialitie wil easily confesse to be greater then in any place of the world besides And first in talking of the chéefe head head the Pope himselfe of the Cardnals I haue shewed how for matters of learning it doth excel hauing in it The multitud of studentes Seminaries colledges of al nations tongues also two distinct Uniuersities as I may terme thē for besides the scholes of Sapientia wher 30. sundery learned men doe reade the Iesuites schooles haue aboue 1200. shollers which frequent thē besides the studentes of lawe in the colledge of Capronica Capronica besids the great howses of religion wher also are learned readers haue often publike excercises of disputation one with another to the great commoditye of all studentes in that place After this in my spéech of the priestes clergie of Rome Congregations in Rome I shewed what cōgregatiōs conferēces they haue in spiritual matters to the great instruction edification of all straūgers that repaire thither In which kinde of pietie I touched but the leste part for besides thos congregations that I named ther ar diuers others wher as the nūber of Societies or Cōpagnies of seculer men in Rome 80. Societies in Rome amoūt to aboue 80. theris neuer ● Cōpagnie which maintaineth not a church or a chappel with some nomber of priestes with whom sundery times of the wek● they haue cōference in spirituall matters Now then to passe ouer to the déedes of pietie which are corporal and which appertaine more in particuler to the Citizens them selues I must say generally that

proofe of his extraordinarie vocation must néedes be a theef a wolfe as Christe noteth and as all heretiques haue bene seeking to intrud them selues by extraordinarie wayes and meanes starting vp in particuler countries and making them selues gouerners without anye lawfull calling The fowerth marke of the true church is vnitie consent of doctrine 4 Vnitie and consente For as the deuill is authore of dissention soe is God authore of vnitie and concord 1 Cor. 14. Math. 12. Vide. Aug. Li. 18. de tri Li. 52. 41. the true Church being the bodye of Christ ruled by his holy spirite which is alwaies one and the same must néedes kepe one faith and one doctrine And heretiques beinge gouerned by the contrary spirit must néedes change their opinions as the malice of that spirite changeth For which cause the holy Fathers haue alwayes vsed this as an inuincible argument against heretiques For that the Churche hath indured soe manye ages in great varietie of times and infinite men haue written in diuers countries in diuers tongues and vpon diuers occations And yet in al thes writings they haue agréed in all pointes of faith soe manye hundred yeares together which is a signe of one holy spirite gouerninge their doeinges from time to time Contrariewise heretiques albeit they began but in some one countrie yet could they neuer agrée any space of time in one opinion but would range from one thinge to another vntil by dissention they were all extinguished again Soe Ireneus writethe of the first heretique Simon Magus Iren. li. 1. ca. 21. cont her whose heresie was soone deuided into the sectes of Menandrins Bisilidians and Saturnians Li. de bap cap. 6. Soe S. Austen writeth of the Donatistes whose first heresie was quickly deuided into many secttes Epi. li. 1. cō her to 3. Soe Epiphanius testifieth of the Marcionistes of whom in smal time sproung the Lucianistes the Appellians and Seuerians The very same doth IIreneus write of the Ualentinians Irē li. 1. ca. 5. Aug. de her ca. 6. And S. Austen of the Manachies and Epiphanius of the Montanistes Epi. li. 2. to 1 her 80. and of the Massilians And Rufinus of the Arriās whoe almoste euery yeare changed their religion as S. Hillarie also witnesseth Hil. li. 1. ad Const. Eua. li. 3 .4 Finally of the Eutichians and other heresies of the east Euagrius and Damascen beare witnes Dam. li. de 100. heret And of our age it is euident also how many sectes haue begun since Luther Fredericus Staphilus counsailer to the Emporoure Staph. li. de concor Lu. shewethe how Luthers schollers were quickly deuided into thrée sectes that is into Anabaptistes Confessionistes and Sacramentaries and they againe sub-deuided into other sectes insomuche that in his time they were 34. but nowe are manie more Soe that by this marke it is easie to iudge whiche is the true Churche and which is the false Now then let vs examine what Ihon Nicols obiecteth against these markes of the Church which although if be soe impertynente and ridyculous as it is not worthe a confutation yet for the readers instructiō in their maner of dealing I will saye a worde or two about it Against the first marke Nicols obiections againste the ●irst marke which is Catholique fol. 25. he obiectethe out of Exodus 23. Ne insist ito vestigys potētiorum ad mala Follow not the stepes of stronger then thy selfe to doe yuel which he translateth thus Thou shalt not followe a multitude to doe yuell Which is not according to the wordes put downe And albeit it be according to the wordes in the very text yet is his fault double First to put down one thing in latine and an other in English This tricke he vseth in many other places and secondly to deuise latine wordes him selfe which are not in the text But to graun● this and al the rest which he bringeth against wicked multitudes as of Turkes Iewes Infidels heretiques Math. 7. 24 Luc. 12. which often times are more then the good also that Christe his flock was smal in the beginning often oppressed after by persecuton Iereni 18. Esa. 53. cet What is this to the purpose we talke not of al multitudes but o● Christiās nor of Christianitie in the beginning but after it was spread ouer the world nor of vices in manners but of error in faith In res●●●t therfore of Infidels other wicked of the world Christians are but few very mu●h fewer at the beginning in respect of the nomber which they are now for manners both now then the more parte parhapes licencious but this is nothing to our question For notwithstanding al this we say Catholique and priuate that after Christian faith was once spread ouer the world by the Apostles their successors and was receaued in vnitie by the followers therof and therby named Catholique whatsoeuer priuat Congregation began afterward among the said Christians or shal doe to the worldes ende teaching different doctrine from this first receaued general doctrine A sure marke to knowe an heretical Congregation and disagréeing to the vniversall multitude of Christianitie as Arrius Pelagius and Berengarius did in their times and Luther in his this priuate Congregaton I saye is conuicted to be heretical by this first marke of Catholique The Churche tried by Scripture Nether is that refuge of heretiques anye thinge worthe when they saye the Church muste be tryed by the Scripture for we graunte that further forthe then they doe and therfore wee bringe all oure markes out of the Scryptures as by examyninge of them maye appeare Against the seconde marke which is Antiquitie Nicols obiections agaynste Antiquitie Fol. 22. Nicols obiecteth out of Iob 32. Old men doe not alwaies vnderstand iudgemente which is not worth the answering for albeit priuate old men may lacke wit yet Christes old spouse which is the Church can not Secondly he alleageth out of Philip of Mornay Phillippe of Mornay translated by feild that the Church is compared to a shippe on the sea to a citie and to a mans body all which decay by old age and néede reparation and therefore the Church in like manner To which I answere that by as good consequente I mighte argue Io. 15. Apoc. 5. Christ is compared to a vyne and therfore néeded to be lopte also to a Lion and therfore néeded to be fedd with raw flesh which is absurde For similitudes must not be lyke in al things especiallye in the matter whereof we talke where comparison is made in perfections and not in defectes For the Church is compared to a shippe on the sea Math. 8.15 in that as a shippe is tossed by many waues and yet not drowned soe the Church by many persecutiōs is not ouerwhelmed Also to a citie and humane body for that as they haue