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cause_n bring_v effect_n sin_n 2,000 5 5.1557 4 true
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A44006 Of libertie and necessitie a treatise, wherein all controversie concerning predestination, election, free-will, grace, merits, reprobation, &c. is fully decided and cleared, in answer to a treatise written by the Bishop of London-derry, on the same subject / by Thomas Hobs. Hobbes, Thomas, 1588-1679. 1654 (1654) Wing H2252; ESTC R20187 27,647 98

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