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A47140	An exact narrative of the proceedings at Turners-Hall, the 11th of the month called June, 1696 together with the disputes and speeches there, between G. Keith and other Quakers, differing from him in some religious principles / the whole published and revised by Goerge Keith ; with an appendix containing some new passages to prove his opponents guilty of gross errors and self-contradictions.	Keith, George, 1639?-1716.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.; Penn, William, 1644-1718.; Ellwood, Thomas, 1639-1713.	1696 (1696)	Wing K161; ESTC R14328	86,182	64

ye see how the citations they bring in their Paper clear me and shew T. Ellwood his injustice against me You see there is the Light within not the Light without in the Citations they have brought to clear me and to blame T. Ellwood And here is another thing they find fault with as to T. Ellwood's wronging me as if I had made a meer Verbal Confession a sufficient qualification to a Member of the Church of Christ See here they cite my Book Reasons and Causes p. 22. Take notice how they notifie his Forgery that he leaves out my words T. Ellwood says I make a meer Verbal Confession a Qualification for being a Member of the Church But I say not so as if a Verbal Confession were enough but as well a Conversation such as becomes the Gospel is necessary to qualifie a Member So my Book is Such a Conversation as becomes the Gospel p. 36. Reasons and Causes c. I appeal to you is not this more than a Verbal Confession T. Ellwood charges me to say That a meer Verbal Confession is enough to make a man a Member of the Church of Christ Now p. 103 T. Ellwood accuseth me unjustly as his own Brethren do observe for giving a false Quotation out of R. Barclay's Book called the Anarchy c. but they clea● me and declare it to be true as it is T. Ellwood quibbles about Substance finding fault with my Saying Somewhere it agrees in Substance with R. B. as elsewhere in express words Now these men take notice that T. Ellwood is unfair in taking that liberty to himself he will not allow to me They observe he admits of Substance of Doctrine in his own Citations but will not allow it to me Another thing T. Ellwood accuses G. Keith as they observe in their Censure that he blames them for going too much from the outward to the inward But these are not my words nor sence And they censure T. Ellwood for making a strained Consequence on my words for tho' I blamed them for not rightly preaching Christ withou● yet not for going to the inward Light for if they did go rightly to God's Light and Gift in their Hearts they would not hold such gross Errors But he says I blame them for going from the outward to the inward which is not so See p. 22. Again they censure him in his blaming me for not naming the Day Month or Year wherein that Yearly meeting at Philadelphia was held which he makes the ground of his perversion and would excuse it You see he argues like a rare Logician He says I do not name the Year nor Day nor is it in p. 14 nor p. 18. But what then I do it in another page This is rare Logick Now I say you have both in p. 3. quoted from The Plea of the Innocent Which p. 3. T. Ellwood has quoted for another purpose but could not see it for that And all this Proof is that I did not tell it in p. 14 nor p. 18 but I did it in p. 3. His Argument is a Sophism and is faulty in not making a sufficient enumeration Again they censure him for charging me with Nonsence Pray may not a meeting held six months after contradict a meeting going before Very well But he has given out that I am so weak a man that I cannot write sence This morning one came to me with Henry Goldney and said People would hoot at me in the Meeting but it is fulfilled on themselves thinking me craz'd And so here is a Paper against me that I cannot speak sence And why Because he feigns that I said a meeting six months before contradicts a meeting held six months after it when there is no such thing but that a meeting six months after contradicts a meeting six months before When Tho. Ellwood could not prove that I began the Separation at Philadelphia by any Evidence of Matter of Fact he essays to do it by false Logick arguing That the Cause must be before the Effect Therefore because I say Th. Loid and they that were Magistrates went away this was the beginning of the Separation and a cause of it And so when he cannot bring a reason in Matter of Fact he will go to false Logick for it So I answer'd his Argument saying All learned men that write of causes and effects acknowledge that a priority of time is not necessary to the cause but it is enough that there be a priority of nature the first moment the Sun was created there was light And then besides the cause cannot be the effect says he if their going away from that meeting were the cause of the separation it was not the effect But I said to him formal and material causes may be both cause and effect As for example The formal and material causes of a man are his Soul and Body and they are the man The material and formal causes of this House are the Stones the Bricks the Timber and the Fashion Now here these causes are the effect Now Th. Loid's going away was a cause of the Separation and yet was a beginning of the Separation And is it not shameful They accuse me of Separation but they run to a perversion of Philosophy to prove it by that the cause is before the effect when they have no other Arguments against me but false Logick and vain Philosophy and Deceit and his own Brethren here in this Paper do censure him for his arguing unfairly by Logical nicety Here is another Observation of these honest men they censure him for saying he did not understand that the Doctrine of the Faith of Christ as he died c. being necessary to our Salvation was reputed a Doctrine in Controversie betwixt us Whereas the principal Doctrine in Controversie between them and me was about the Faith of Christ as he died c. whether necessary to our Salvation Here is something also to take notice of that he blames me as not fair for not putting my Name to my Book nor the Name of the Printer Now the Quakers have done so in England in Suffering Times and yet the Printer in America was prosecuted by an Act of Parliament for not printing his Name to some of my Books and they took away his Letters and Frame But I find that which is Persecution in England is esteem'd good Justice in Philadelphia Quaker N. Marks I have something to propose to you if you please We are all in general very apt and too apt to have a good Opinion of ourselves it is very near to Mankind to do so You have very well answer'd the Design of this meeting in this you have heard him with a great deal of temper I desire you further to consider that all considerate men when they hear one part hear but with one Ear. So far as G. Keith thinks fit to make this publick you may expect an Answer and I hope you will reserve one Ear to hear that

false Accusation and Defamation and I offer to prove it at the said Meeting Fifthly Whereas the Second Days Weekly Meeting of the People called Quakers in Lombard-street London hath approved or Countenanced the above-mentioned Scandalous Books and another late Book from Pensilvania signed by Caleb Pusey falsly called by him A modest Account from Pensilvania of the Principal Differences in a Point of Doctrine c. I charge them to be guilty of great Injustice against me as also of being guilty of the false Accusations Perversions Forgeries and false Doctrines contained in the said Books by their approving the same and allowing them to be publickly sold next Door to their Meeting-place by one of their own Profession If it happen that few or none of the above-mentioned Persons shall be present at the said Meeting being conscious to themselves of the badness of their Cause yet I do hereby declare and publish my full intention to be present God willing with my Friends at the said Place and Time appointed to make good the Charges against them And any moderate and Friendly People of other Professions have freedom to be present so far as there is room in the place to receive them without Crowd or Throng to hear what shall be said and proved in these matters above-mentioned GEORGE KEITH London the 11th day of the Third Month called May 1696. And here I think fit to give a true Account of the Just Cause I have to intimate such a Meeting IN my book called A Seasonable Information and Caveat against a scandalous book of Th. Elwood I made a profer to Th. Elwood to meet him at any Place and Time that he would appoint to prove him guilty of gross Forgery in matters of Fact c. and also of false Doctrine But he did no wise assent to any such proffer nor gave any rational Excuse for his Rufusal pretending he would not give G K. an Opportunity to gratifie the Rabble and disgrace his Profession he yet made of Truth by so publick a discovery of his ungoverned Passions What is this but great hypocrisie And no doubt if he or his Party thought to get any advantage against me such a Publick Appearance either in regard of the Cause or of what he and they call my ungoverned Passions they would greedily embrace it But the reality of the matter is they are not willing their great injustice as well as their insolent carriage and most unruly Passions in clandestine places should be discovered shutting the doors upon all but themselves that none that were equal and impartial Hearers and Observers might be present to be a check to their rude and insolent carriage against me many speaking to me at once which some among themselves reproved at the first Yearly Meeting I appeared among them Thus they seek to murther the Reputation of the Innocent in secret places And instead of assenting to my just proffer he prints another book against me filled with more than double to what was in his former book of Forgeries Perversions False Accusations and Misrepresentations And I having neither time nor ability of outward Estate to print Answers to him and others that heap book upon book against me with no charge to them they having got a way without any charge or cost to them to Print what they please And things being thus I appeal to all moderate persons whether this my intimation of such a Meeting in the defence of the Fundamental Doctrines of Christianity as the necessity of Faith in Christ as he outwardly suffered at Jerusalem to our Salvation Justification and Sanctification by the Blood of Christ outwardly shed the Resurrection of the Body that dyeth and Christs coming without us in his Glorified Body even the same that formerly suffered Death for our sins to Judge the Quick and the Dead All which I offer to prove have been opposed and contradicted by some of them being the common Faith generally and in common professed by Christians in all professions and for the defence of which all sincere Christians are jointly concerned and also in my just vindication both as a man and a Christian be not justifiable and commendable it being the best way I have at present to clear the Truth and my Innocency and discover their great injustice towards me and to Answer the proud and insulting boastings of my Adversaries And whereas in my late Book called A short List of some of the vile and gross Errors of Geo. Whitehead c. I proposed a just demand to William Penn to give me an Opportunity for him to make good his Charge against me at any publick Meeting of the People called Quakers in or about London instead of his assenting to my just Demand there comes forth a Third Book of Tho. Elwood multiplying his gross Forgeries Defamations and Misrepresentations against me and also containing most false and Antichristian Doctrine to the great dishonour of the blessed Name of Christ and the Christian Religion And as if G. W. and W. P. were not alive or not able to Answer for themselves he will needs Answer for them and the said Tho. Elwood puts a most impudent and notorious perversion upon my plain words in my Proposition to W. Penn saying of me as he has worded his Demand he seems to have bespoke a Publick Meeting that he might have done it himself see page 159. and page 160. of his Truth defended As if saith he he wanted such an Opportunity to prove himself an Apostate Let the Reader but read my words in my own Book and at the first sight he will see the Cheat and Forgery Observe Reader my words p. 32. And let him signifie to me the time and place where he will make it to appear I say not when I will that his Charge against me is true May I not well say that ever such a gross and impudent Forgerer Wrester and Perverter of a Mans words should be allowed or permitted to be an Agent Patron or Champion for what they call the Body of the People named Quakers and their Ministry is a sign that they are at a low Ebb when they make use of such Tools as T. E. is whom I can and do offer to prove not only to be guilty of gross Forgeries and Perversions and Antichristian Principles but grosly ignorant in that which he pretends to have knowledge of Humane Learning and who is guilty of Pedantick trifling and quibbling from meer Errors of the Press not so duly corrected yet obvious to any intelligent Reader And to my demanding the like Justice to be done me as some Years ago we demanded of the Baptists against Thomas Hicks he answereth in his last book falsly called Truth defended pag. 158. That betwixt that and this of mine there is in parallel For saith he in that there was a people concerned on each side c. Whereas W. P 's calling G. K. Apostate affects no body that I know of saith T. E. but himself and

for comparing the Books of Friends to the Books of the Greek and Latin Fathers p. 99. For further Discovery In comparing says Tho. Ellwood the Books of Friends to the Books of them called the Greek and Latin Fathers he has not done as a Friend and Brother but as an Enemy in supposing Friends Books to have been written by no better guidance nor clearer sight than theirs who lived and writ in those dark times You see how modest they are here Auditors They gave a shout signifying their dislike that the Quakers Books should be preferred so far to the Greek and Latin Fathers next to the days of the Apostles Quaker N. M. It is very well that the whole Paragraph be read that it may give the more satisfaction to the Auditory which was accordingly done T. Ellwood saith He viz. G. K. turns off and says I reflect not only on him but on the late Christian Teachers and Writers who have corrected the Errors and unsound Expressions contain'd in the Books of them called the Greek and Latin Fathers Now hear what he further says In comparing the Books of Friends to the Books of them called Greek and Latin Fathers ut supra Quaker J. Waite I have made few Observations on the whole one or two particular the other are general The first is that he charges G. Whitehead and W. Penn to destroy the Object of Faith Now when he speaks of some Doctrines that were preached by him in 1678 and that he was reproved for saying it was lawful to pray to Jesus Christ he has vindicated W. Penn as to this Point who said he did so Also he has vindicated G. Whitehead saying that He directed not to what either of them could say but what Scripture says and he cites them a clear passage that was then believed by him and I believed by all Quakers The other particular Observation I did note is that the Quakers have not used recite the whole Author they write against and I appeal to you whether G. Keith in the opposition he has made has ever repeated a whole Author These are my particular Observations The general is that what has been casually dropt and I believe there are none concerned on this occasion but I say they may sometimes be apt to drop some Expressions that they will not stand by But to urge these against the whole Party is too hard and is very uncharitable and therefore I hope you will not conclude the whole body concerned in it And G. Keith hath been conversant among us eight and twenty years or more and has preached the Doctrines owned by us and writ many Books that related to fundamental Articles of Faith I believe him that they were owned by the People he was joyned with And at the yearly meeting the charge against him and his expulsion was not matter of Doctrine but Practice which was turbulent And therefore he has apostatized from what he was before from the meekness and integrity that is agreeable to the Doctrine of Christianity Stranger G. Keith I see you are almost spent I will answer for you He says it was the whole body that was against you it was the worse that the Excommunication should be from the whole yearly Meeting without mentioning any thing in particular For a man to apostatize is to apostatize from the whole Faith but for a man to differ with respect to particular things this is not Apostasie G. Keith The words of the Excommunication run thus I am a man of no Christian Spirit I have dismember'd myself from the Church of Christ If they had said from this particular Society it might have passed but they say from the Church of Christ And why Because there is no Church of Christ on Earth but the Quakers and no Representative of them but the Yearly Meeting in Gracechurch-street You see how weak that man's Objections are The Auditory shouted Quaker H. Goldney This man asserts a Lye and then the People are taken with it as if it were a Truth G. Keith If I have spoken amiss I am willing to be brought to a tryal He says I have answer'd many Books wherein I have not recited all the Books I have answer'd It is true and I blame not them for not doing so But they say I only take bits and scraps here and there I say what cause have I to recite G. Whitehead and W. Penn's whole Books to you when they have not done so I think it sufficient to give an account of their sense from full Periods and Paragraphs He says I have already cleared George Whitehead and William Penn from that charge that they have not destroyed the Object of Faith And I say I have proved that they have destroyed the Object of Faith if they have at other times Owned it let them disown and retract their Errors I am not to account for their Contradictions They have Contradicted themselves they have disowned the Object of Faith and if I have charged them with it this is no Contradiction in me but in them Quaker H. Goldney made an interruption while G. K. was speaking as he oft did and gave great offence to the Auditory with his impertinencies and reflections calling G. K. Lyer Impostor Apostate G. Keith The reading of this Paper if ye please shall conclude this Meeting After T. Ellwood came out with his further discovery I made my Complaint to the Monthly Meeting at Bull and Mouth against the Forgeries and false Accusations that his Book was filled with and I begged of them that they would hear my Charge against him but they would not suffer me they said I might print as T. Ellwood did but I said I could not they have a Stock I have not Whereupon I went to some of the Church-Party that favour'd me and told them if I could not get a meeting to hear me my design was to give forth a printed Advertisement of a Meeting to clear myself of these things and they might be present if they would Some of their Party said to me George do not they or some of them would give me a meeting Accordingly they gave me a meeting They took notice of some of Ellwood's Forgeries and Abuses some of them have I hope that Courage that I believe they would not be offended nor afraid if I named them They have said in their Paper T. Ellwood has done me wrong Quaker H. Goldney Let us know their names who they are G. Keith We must use some little Policy as well as ye Some of them are eminent among you Here is a Copy of a Paper containing an account of the matter There were I think nine or ten of them H. Goldney if I should name them would not deny them to be his Brethren Quaker H. Goldney I dare thee to name their names or else thou art a Lyar an Impostor a Cheat I dare say it is a Cheat. And turning to G. K. he said O thou Lyer thou contentious Creature G.