alledge that by the same extreme heat of Tabacco bloud being vndigested and crude becometh vnfit for the sperme and seed of man therby is hindred the propagation of mankind by this hellish smoke out of Plutoes forge This reason wholy dependeth vpoÌ„ the same foundation that the other did and therfore may well receiue the same answer that the other had So that in a matter vnnecessarie there needeth not any necessary speech to be had But whereas you do confidently affirme that Tabacco cureth the disease called Gonorrhaea and there uppon would seeme to inferre that therefore it hindreth propagation good Lord how are you deceiued therein and yet in so saying what an excellent gift and vertue haue you found out in Tabacco and what a siâ—gular praise haue you put downe on Tabaccoes side I for my part haue as much labored in the curing of that disease as perchance most men haue of our profession and I hope to with as good successe But if I had thought in all the time of my practise that Tabacco had bene such a fellow and had had any such prerogatiue in the cure of that disease assure your selfe I would haue bene better acquainted with him then I am I would haue giuen him right good entertainement I will not vse many words in this matter for diuers good honest respects neither enter into any discourse to rip vp the diuerse kinds natures and differences of that loathsome disease or once seeme to mention the causes occasions thereof or to deale with any part of his remedies But let this only suffice for an infallible principle a thing to be maintained against all gaine sayers That whatsoeuer is good to cure that sicknesse that selfe same thing is singular good to helpe and farther propagation if it be orderly administred and rightly vnderstood For what thing in the world is there that is a greater enemy to generation then that disease is Tum quia corrumpiâ— totum nostrum corpus reddit ipsum semen languidum effoetum tum quia ipsa generandi etiam instrumenta nimis flaccida facit ad cocundum prorsus inepta Sed hoc in loco parcè timideque loquendum est Noui enim quà m sint malè morata haec nostra tempora in quà m audax oeuum aâ— dissolutam aetatem inciderimus Quocirca vt decentiae pudoris ac verecundiae iusta honesta ratio habeatur arbitramur multò meliùs esse hìc consistere quà m longiùs progredi The fifth reason is for that It decaieth and dissipateth naturall heate that kindly warmth in vs and thereby is cause of crudities and rheumes occasion of infinite maladies c. These obiections are much like vnto those that went before and are already sufficiently answered But yet for farther satisfaction let this yet be remembred by the way That in another place before your selfe hath confessed That in cold rheumaticke hydropicall bodies c. Tabacco may do much good And now is it become the cause of increase of these rheumes and cold waterish humors in our bodies here is a great alteration indeed vpon a sudden Likewise in another place you sayd it cured D. T. ofhis cold rheumaticke stomach And as I take it that was done by giuing of it some increase of good heate with a sufficient drinesse for otherwise I know he could not haue bene cured For this is flat and plaine that contraria contrarijs curantur And I am sure your selfe also is of that opinion And is Tabacco now found out to be a decayer and dissipator of that naturall kindly heate which heretofore it did giue and procure to others by your owne confession By my fay the reconciling of these and the like speeches whereof there be diuerse in your booke will put a wiser man then I am or your selfe either to cast about and to seeke the bottome of his wits how it may be brought to passe But for that the proofe of this your fifth reason hangeth vpon the proofe of your fourth argument as your selfe saith and for that cause your selfe also is willing to referre vs ouer to that fourth part of your Discourse euen so will I do to and so here rest a while And in the meane time if it will please you to giue me leaue to enter into the consideration of some of your pretty odde conceits which you haue here set downe in this chapter I will thanke you The troth is I feare me I am not very well able to conceiue your meaning thoroughly by reason that to my thinking in the deliuering of them you do vse diuerse kinds of windings in and out and as it were certaine turnings to and fro that are not altogether voyde of obscurity but it may be it is my weakenesse in vnderstanding and not your darkenesse in penning And therfore in truth I craue pardon if I chance to make an offence in mistaking c. One of your conceits is this That much hardnesse and drinesse is the occasion that moisture cannot enter If you meane by these words hard and dry an excessiue and an extreame hardnesse and drinesse in the highest degree then it may be yeelded vnto As for example A hard flint or a marble stone or a hote hard dry gad of steele will admit no moisture into it I confesse though you powre neuer so much water vpon them But what is this to Tabacco or what analogie or proportion is there betweene our bodies and these things though old bodies be dry and hard too yet are they neuer so dry and hard but they can admit moisture well inough like as when the earth is verie dry in so much that it is thereby full of chaps and chinkes because it is a porous bodie as we call it and in some sort spongious it is therfore apt able to receiue great moisture and to drinke in mightie showers of raine as daily experience sheweth albeit as it should seeme you are of a contrary opinion And euen so fareth it with our bodies Another conceit of yours is this That drinesse doth not onely hinder the receiuing of moisture but also by that meanes it is an enemy to nourishment as you inferre vpon it First to answer you merily and so I pray you to take it all the suckgrouts in London and all the whole company of tiplers of which societie I tell you there is not the least number will be all vpon you with open voice and come all against you in this to testifie That drinesse neuer hindered as yet the receiuing and imbibing in of any good liquor But in good sadnesse I thinke you speake and meane this of an exceeding great drinesse and in the highest degree and such as cannot be found in our bodies for so it must needes be that you meane and no otherwise And in that sence I assure you ouermuch wet also is as great an enemy to nourishmeÌ„t as by this familiar example may soone appeare Admit a
good spices as well with meat as also in their daily drinke suppinses and cawdels and yet for any thing that either you or I can see God be thanked there comes no hurt at all in the world thereby But why it should destroy and consume naturaâ—â— heate and moisture as you affirme which are the principals of our life in truth I vnderstand not vnlesse as I said the takers thereof should make whole meales thereof which I am sure no man doth For then indeed it may be it would worke that effect and so would all your cordiall spices do also if men should in that disorderly maner feede on them as to make whole meales thereof Whereas now being moderately taken and yet daily too they be great preseruers of health in most sort of men or rather in all kind of complexions as aâ—l men I am sure will confesse That which is added out of Aristotle Oâ—ne simile additum simili reddit ipsum simile magis simile maketh litâ—e for your purpose For as your selfe confesseth that Contraria contrarijs curantur so I thinke you are as willing to confesse also that similia similibus nutriuntur Now â—ir if Tabacco be hote and drie as you put downe that it is and the cholericke man hote likewise and then if â—â—ke be increased with like as Aristotle saith or if like be nourished maintained and preserued with like as Phâ—sitions affirme then like inough it is that the cholericâ—e mans complexion is rather preserued by Tabacco then destroyed presupposed alwaies if it be moderately taken It may be you will here haue a kind of euasion and a certaine starting hole and I guesse well inough what it is yet neuerthelesse I will not name it But for anything that is yet said of you to the contrarie this argument holdeth and so it shall rest for me Moreouer that Principle of Aristotle Omne simile additum simili c. must haue a nice interpretation and must be rightly vnderstood or else it is like inough I tell you to breede an errour Like increaseth like you say It is true but yet in quantitie it increaseth it and not in qualitie vnlesse that same like be in a higher and stronger degree of qualitie and likenesse And yet how it should then rightly be called like being by reason of a higher degree vnlike for my part I see not As for example hote water being put to as hote water maketh not that hote waâ—er hotter then it was vnto the which it is put It may well increase the substance and quantitie of that hote water but yet not the heate and quality thereof Then vnlesse Tabacco be hotter then choler which will be very hard to proue it cannot increase choler in heate and qualitie But if it be colder in power and qualitie as I thinke it will fall out that it is then doth it rather abate and suppresse the heate of choler then increase it For warme water yea though it be good and warme water yet because it is not so hote as scalding hote water is being put to scalding hote water it doth not increase his heate a whit but rather cooleth it I warrant you try it when you will Touching the great store of vndigested and crude humors which are the effects of immoderate heates in vs as you affirme and so consequently are cause and occasion of hote feuers I see no cause of any such feare by Tabacco For if daily experience may serue for a sufficient proofe of the contrarie I for my part haue seene none at all neither hath any man else I am sure knowne any or at the least very few among so many thousands that daily take it that haue fallen into agues directly vpon the taking of Tabacco and therefore euen by that experiment also it doth seeme vnto me that the taking thereof especially in fume which as your selfe graunteth hath very small force to worke any great matter vpon our bodies can cause no such fierie and extreame heate in the bodie as is by you supposed but rather if it do giue any heate yet that heate is rather a familiar and a pleasing heate then an immoderate extraordinarie and an aguish distemperature And as for them that affirme Agues to be cured by Tabacco as you say if any vnlearned so say in my iudgement it is an vnsauory speech without sence or methode and I leaue it to them that so say to defend it as they can But it may be you mistake them Possible it is that their saying yea and their meaning too is thus that in the curing of Agues Tabacco may haue his good vse if he be rightly vsed as well as other purgatiues haue And that opinion well vnderstood is not greatly amisse For if Purgations being done in good order and conueniently giuen in their due times and seasons be one of the especiall helpes to rid and cure rotten Agues as you know it is then it is like inough that Tabacco by his purging facultie may do much good by taking away the cause of the Ague as other Purgations do For if you thinke it can do no good that way because it is hote and drie then by that reason likewise no Purgatiues in a maner that the old auncient writers did vse can do any good that way For that they were all or most of them of the same nature hote and dry as for example Elleborus Colocinth Elatery Esulus Scammony which was not onely vsed by them in a manner altogether but at this day also is one of the most common and vsuallest things that we haue especially in our great and magistrall compositions As for the daunger that you presuppose is in the often vse of Tabacco to them that be in health for dissipating consuming that wholesome humor by often vomits seeges sweatings spittings and coughings which otherwise would be turned to good bloud and nourishment and all this to be done to by the fume of Tabacco which by and by vanisheth away as all smokes do In my fancy all this is but a meere imagination and directly against that which your selfe hath sayd already affirming that the fume hath no great force to worke any matter of moment in our bodies as also flat against common and daily experience For neither I nor you nor any man else in my opinioÌ„ euer did see that the fume for of that your talke must be or else you talke to no purpose which is the thing onely that is in daily vse did euer worke any great purgings or vomits or sweates or if it did at any time yet it was by a meere accident and chance which is nothing to purpose As for the other humidities which as you say it prouoketh from the braine and other parts of the head a man may thinke that those things may as conueniently be done and with as litle hurt or danger with Tabacco as we see them daily done by your Errhinaes and Nasaliaes and Sternutatories which are vsually giuen
very good meddow be ouermuch glutted with water and altogether ouerwhelmed as it were with continuall raine and you shall see what wise hay and what trim grasse you shall haue of that meddow So that vpon the reckening lay but the hare-worts against the goose-giblets as we are wont to say and for my part I see not but that Tabacco may worke as much good to vs in the auoiding of too much moisture as it is like to bring harme in the procuring of too much drinesse Touching your painting out of olde age with his stiffe and dry sinewes and with many other of his infirmities and imperfections I confesse them all to be true and wish with all my hart that I were able to remedie them were it but to amend some crooked conditions in my selfe and some thing else But yet I see no reason why that great cold should not be as great an occasion of the increase of all these harmes and imperfections in old age as any thing else that can be named For he that thinketh not that cold hath a mightie strength to worke a wonderfull hardnesse and drinesse let him but remember this last great frost in Nouember last past or if he hath bene in some of these great cold countries such as Russia where in very deed I neuer was although not verie farre from it when it was he can then tell that the ground is so hard and dry and all by the reason of cold onely for one halfe yeare or thereabout that they are enforced to leaue their dead bodies vnburied during all that time being not able with any instrument in the world to enter into the earth and to breake it vp vntill the Sunne be come about againe to relent and mollifie the same So that thus I conclude whether we take Tabacco or take no Tabacco yet seeing all those infirmities and imperfections which you haue reckened vp do follow old age euen by the course of nature much like as the shadow waiteth vppon our bodies and seeing that great cold either is or may be as great an increaser and hastiner of those infirmities as any one thing else is that can be named in all the world and seeing our poore friend Tabacco hath a good and a speciall property to resist that professed great enemy the cold me â—hinke it were a reasonable sute to intreate that Tabacco might rather be esteemed as a friend then a foe euen to old age also whose heate in this case no doubt is rather a pleasure then any offence at all vnto old men And yet you haue one other conceit more which maintaineth one of the strangest opinions that euer I heard of in all my life as olde as I am and that is this That by reason of hote and dry Sommers in haruest time the greatest waters and land flouds are most wont to appeare c. This in very truth is a point beyond Eela and I am not able to reach vnto it or to vnderstand it It was my chance to stand by when it was when that a Noble man in this land was in an exceeding great rage with a certaine gentleman an acquaintance of mine a very proper man and a stout The Noble man grew into such choler with him that at the length he all to be knaued the gentleman and often times repeated these words I tell thee thou art a knaue nay I tell thee troth thou art a very knaue The gentleman stood long mute and sayd neuer a word but at the length he could hold no longer but burst out into these words As God iudge me my Lord If your Lordship should tell me neuer so oft that I am a knaue yet you shall pardon me for by God I will neuer beleeue it and sayd not one word more The like answer I must be bold to make vnto you for if you tell me neuer so oft that dry Sommers make great water flouds yet in very truth I will neuer beleeue it And what your meaning is in so saying I protest I know not but this I wot well I am sure of that vpon this last great drought that we had as well in the Sommer time as also in the fall this yeare the riuer of the Thamis was become so shallow and dry as it were that the poore Westerne barges complained much of their hard passages downe the riuer to serue her Maiestie and her Maiesties citie of London while she lay at Richmond and now since her Maiestie iâ— come to White-hall to I know diuerse good farmers that are enforced to driue their cattell two miles and more to water them who were wont to haue great store and plenty of water euen at their owne doores before this hote and dry weather came to drie vp their springs And therefore to thinke that dry Sommers is cause of great waters in my opinion is nothing else but to dreame of a dry Sommer The sixt reason is for that This herbe or rather weede seemeth not voide of venome and thereby seemeth an enemy to the life of man c. I marry this is a matter of some importance indeed and would be well looked vnto But by the way this discourse of venomes or poysons would rather be tripped ouer then much dwelt vpon for diuerse good respects The times being so dangerous as they are I thinkâ— it not conuenient to meddle with any such matters and such gaps as these be would not so rashly and vnaduisedly be opened to the common people I knew a Preacher once and a verie honest learned man who meant no harme I dare sweare for him yet inueighing in his Sermon earnestly against the wickednesse of this age and telling of the bad dealing that lewd Ostlers vsed about the greasing of their horse teeth and the like vnhonest trickes that Bailifes vsed about the altering and changing of cowes hornes that were missing and strayed abroad did more harme in repeating these deceitfull sleights then all the rest of his Sermon could do good to his auditorie And you also in this place by your leaue might in my opinion haue bene something better aduised then to haue vsed so liberall or rather so lauishing a kind of talke both of poysons and of purgatiue medicines still coupling of them together in such an odious hatefull manner as you do Whereas in very deed there is no such matter if things be rightly vnderstood as hereafter shall better appeare In the meane time yet happie it is that God himselfe hath pronounced by himselfe that he is the author of Phisicke and hath therefore commanded the Phisition to be had in some good regard and reuerence for his knowledge sake Otherwise if such tales as you haue told of poysons and of purgatiues should be beleeued as indeed God be thanked they are not to be credited Phisitions might say they haue spun a fine threed and brought their hogs to a faire market and Phisicke her selfe might haue great cause to reioyce for bringing vp so
dutifull and so good a child as you are What hath Phisicke hitherto bene counted the most excellent gift of the Highest and bene called by the ancient writers the hand and finger of God for his wonderfull effects and operations and is it now in your iudgement nothing else but a hodge podge and a mingle mangle of poysons If this be so then it is more then high time for her Maiesty and this most honorable Parliament to take some order for Phisicke and Phisitions too For albeit you haue brought in Tabacco as a Rowland vpon the stage to make sport withall and to be laughed at yet as farre as I see poore Oliuer which is Phisicke it selfe beares away all the blowes vnto whom you haue giuen the longest part and the worst part in all the Play But now to come to the purpose I will not meddle as I said with any curious or solemne discourse of poisons for such reasons as I haue partly alleadged neither will I stand vpon the strict points of his definition or enter into his manifold parts and braunches by the way of diuision neither vnfold the diuers waies meanes and fashions of his hatefull operations But bluntly and briefly to answer to so much as you haue laid downe Then thus I say touching your tripartite diuision you might haue added the fourth branch too if it had pleased you I leaue it to your selfe as a good matter or argument for a man to shew his wit learning and reading vpon but I esteeme of it as no direct proofe at all neither yet to be any whit in the world more able to blemish and hurt Tabacco then it is to disgrace other parts of Phisicke which haue deserued better at your hands then this comes vnto And as for those particular places and authorities which you haue cited out of Galen and others either they do answer themselues if they be well marked and rightly vnderstood or else this one generall answer may be sufficient for them all and that is this wheresoeuer you do reade or heare in Phisicke purging medicines or purging remedies to be tearmed or rather mistearmed by the name of Venena or Deleteria or the like in Galen or any other good writer there is alwaies added one word or other to mollifie and mitigate the harshnesse of that speech withall Or if any such word chance to be left out as perchaunce sometime it is yet the circumstances of that place being well weighed and considered it will euidently fall out that some one such mild word or other ought there to be vnderstood As for example they commonly vse to call them quasi Deletâ—ria or â—anquam venena or else more mild then that they will say that they haue in them quiddam venenosum or else yet more mild then that too as to say they haue in them quiddam noxium or quiddam inimicum humane nâ—turâ— or the like In so much that the great Lawyer Caâ—â—s himselfe who was much bent against Phisicke yet when he called Pharmacum venenum yet he added and concluded it ought not so to be called absolâ—tely but that you should alwaies adde this word bonum vnto it and so still with that addition it must be called bonum venenum said he Now sir thinke you that there is no difference or oddes in these speeches I know not sir whether you be married or no but if you be and haue a shrew to your wife as if you haue not I would you had for now indeed I am angry with you is there no difference thinke you in calling your wife shrew and calling of her good shrew or profitable shrew or pretie shrew or the like Yes I warrant you trie it when ye will But Galen the only man for Phisicke that euer wrote at the very first iumpe putteth downe a very learned and a notable difference betweene Medicamentum and Alimentum The one saith he increaseth Molem substantiam corporis vincitur or alteratur à natura the other minuit eam vincit The one agit in corpus the other patitur à corpore c. These and the like speeches are vsed of him and are pretie speeches and good speeches and true speeches But all these speeches import no more but thus much that purging medicines are not fit for nourishments and because they are not fit to nourish and feede a man therefore in that respect that they do yeeld no foode or nourishment vnto vs theâ— may be tearmed after a sort things hurtfull to man or enemie to man or things against mans nature and therfore in a kind of large signification as a man would say they may be called as it were in a certaine manner a poison to man because they nourish not the nature of man And after this maner and sort of speaking and in this large signification calling all those things as it were poisons that do not nourish vs you may well call a stone a poison as that learned Fallopius noteth and as I say too so may you call a lumpe of gold a poison also because there is small nourishment in it but yet such a kind of poison I thinke as I do know a great sort of good fellowes that would not sticke to venter the poisoning of themselues in swallowing downe their throats great gobbets of it so they might haue them for their labour But how euer it is These medicines are farre from the nature of that poison which is so hatefull a thing and called venenum indeed For of that sort of Venoms a very little quantity being taken into the body ouerthroweth vs and corrupteth nature because it is enemie to nature totâ substantiâ as we terme it and therefore can neuer be turned to good but as a litle rottennesse in an apple can neuer become sound and good againe but will corrupt and perish the rest vnlesse it be â—eparated from the rest and cut away euen so it fareth with venims in our bodies passing through the whole bodie and masse of our temperature in like maner as a litle Saffron mingled in a quantitie of liquor giueth a tincture to all the water or as a litle Garlicke being eaten maketh both the vrine and the spittle and the breath of the eater to smell thereof euen such a kind of infection and working in our bodie is procured by venimes vnlesse with all speede they be either by vomit auoided or otherwise miraculously mastered But now good sir if you were but examined vpon your knowledge how many you haue knowne in all your life to haue bene poisoned with Tabacco I thinke you would be put very much vnto your shifts to find out but so many as poore one notwithstanding it is so commonly and so daily taken as it is and yet nothing taken against it neither either to auoide it or else to correct it Then I hope it standeth cleare that poore Tabacco is none of those dangerous poisons vnlesse you call him so in that large
find him there or an enemie or such a one as loues him not but is contrary to him in all his actions and meanings Me thinke the case is too plaine and needeth no farther dispute But yet like finding his like it expelleth that like say you still and this is the faburden of your song And is it euen so indeede and does like expell his like with you now who haue borne vs in hand all this while that like added to like did delight and ioy in that like and increase that like in our bodies For if it doth all this then belike it expelleth it not nor one venome doth not thrust out another as you affirme now For if this reason of yours be true then he that hath taken a strong poison should be healed either by taking more of that poison or else by taking of a stronger poison then that is But try that when ye will and giue rats-bane to him that is poysoned with rats-bane alreadie and you shall see what a wise cure you shall haue of it So that to conclude as farre as I can see you are as farre off from prouing Tabacco to be a poison as both by reason and your owne words to he is rather found to be an enemie vnto poyson and an expeller and a conquerour of the same yea and more then so to for by your owne report it leaueth the other good humours which is a wonder I can tell you cleare and vnspotted as your owne words do testifie Now then this great storme we see is past and ouerblowne and this terrible accusation is much like to a Sampsons post thwited to a pudding pricke as the Prouerbe is Well now what more We must not yet so go away Then let vs heare your seuenth reason in the name of God The seuenth reason is for that The first author and finder thereof was the diuell and the first practisers of the same were the diuels Priests and therefore not to be vsed of vs Christians I must needes thinke that you were very neare driuen to go to the hedge for a stake when you pickt out this argument And must it needs be deuised and inuented by the diuell and must it needes be vsed by the diuels Priests and seruants and by none other and must not Chrstian men vse it in any case because Infidels the diuels seruants haue vsed it what remedie But yet my mind giueth me it should not be so And yet all this while why it should come from the diuell I heare no other reason made by you as yet but onely because Monardus the Spaniard affirmes it nay rather for that he imagineth it to be so And my answer forsooth is this for that he doth but barely affirme it onely and for that his assertion is but coniecturall I see no reason but that it may be as safely and as easily reiected as beleeued But yet if the circumstances be well considered that Monardus himselfe putteth downe me thinke it were a more charitable motion to thinke that it came from God who is the author of all good gifts then from the diuell This one thing I am most sure of that euen this selfe same Monardus whom you here bring against him as your greatest proofe hath written as much good of Tabacco as can be affirming him not onely to be verie good against infinite diseases in a manner but also to haue a singular gift to refresh men of their great and intollerable wearisomnes in their iourneyings Yea to be such a wonderfull preseruer curer of poisons yea and of that great admirable poison too called Bague how soeuer it hath pleased you to slander him in your last Chapter before this and in conclusion knitteth vp the whole Treatise of him with these words That for his excellent vertues Tabacco is had amongst the Indians in wonderfull estimation c. Now Sir how such an excellent thing as this is by his owne report should now be sayd by him to come from the diuell that would be knowne Touching the taking of it by their Priests and by and by falling asleepe thereupon c. Marke me but that whole discourse well and ye shall see it is taken reported quite amisse for indeede it maketh all for Tabacco For take but Monardus his owne tale and by him it should seeme that in the taking of Tabacco they were drawne vp and separated from all grosse and earthly cogitations and as it were caried vp to a more pure and cleare region of fine conceits actions of the mind in so much as they were able thereby to see visions as you say able likewise to make wise sharp answers much like as those men are wont to do who being cast into trances and exstasies as we are wont to call it haue the power and gift thereby to see more wonders and high misticall matters then all they can do whose braines cogitations are oppressed with the thicke and foggy vapours of grosse and earthy substances Marry if in their trances sudden fallings they had become nasty beastly feâ—lowes or had in most loathsome manner fallen a spuing and vomiting as drunkards are wont to do then indeed it might well haue bene counted a diuellish matter and bene worthy reprehension But being vsed to cleare the braines and thereby making the mind more able to come to her selfe and the better to exercise her heauenly gifts and vertues me thinke as I haue said I see more cause why we should thinke it to be a rare gift imparted vnto man by the goodnes of God then to be any inuention of the diuell And if that their Priests as you call them do abuse at any time this good gift to deceiue thereby the people with subtill and doubtfull speeches in their answers that was the Priests fault and to be ascrâ—bed vnto them and no whit to be imputed to the thing Now sir by the way whether those Priests do serue the diuell or no and be his seruants as you say they are that I do leaue to you and others to iudge I am of Cicero the Ethnickes opinion in this That there is no people or nation so rude or barborous in the world but that they haue some sence and feeling of God and that thereby they do ordaine and appoint to themselues some one kind or other of diuine worship and seruice of that immortall and omnipotent deity and most blessed euerlasting power albeit they vnderstand him not aright as we Christians do And albeit neither these Indians nor yet those Philosophers whom all ages haue hitherto so much reuerenced and by whom we haue receiued so many helpes of learning as we haue neuer knew Christ aright for that perchance they neuer heard of him and therefore like inough that they do all erre in their religion or rather superstition yet in my fancy it were a hard thing to pronounce them all to be the diuels seruants and his instruments being otherwise