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B06553 A sober reply to Mr Robert Steed's epistle concerning singing. Wherein all his objections against that way he calls the common and popular way of singing psalms, &c. are impartially examined, and in the spirit of meekness, fully answered. Recommended to the consideration of all the saints and churches of Christ, by divers elders and ministers of baptized congregations. Who desire their brethren who are against such singing, without prejudice to read these lines, and consider them. Whinnell, Thomas, fl. 1699. 1691 (1691) Wing W1667; ESTC R186465 46,288 68

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Book of the Lamentations was a mourn●ul Song and thô their case was deplorable yet they ●ung It is the Lords mercies we are not consumed be●●use his compassions fail not Lam. 3.22 The Lord is ●●y portion saith my Soul c. the Lord is good unto them ●●at wait for him ver 24 25. Thus they sung then ●nd thus we may and ought to sing now We grant when Babylon is down the Tongues of many 〈◊〉 have been dumb shall sing i. e. many shall then 〈◊〉 converted and from thence shall sing but we 〈◊〉 before that time comes have obtained that Grace 〈◊〉 Blessing have as much cause to sing now as they sh●● then But since that will be a day of general Conv●●sion or wherein multitudes shall be brought in●● Christ it is noted as a special time of singing 4. Do you think there wants now such a measure the Spirit that is sufficient to put any one Gospel O●dinance into practice The smallness of the Gifts 〈◊〉 Measures of the Spirit cannot justifie any person the neglect of any Gospel Duty you forget y●●●self singing of Psalms is a Gospel Precept and the●●fore we must that way praise God or we neglect a du●● 5. What you speak of formal Singing c. aff●●● us not we plead for no such thing but say our sing is Spiritual as our preaching and praying is so and invention but a Sacred Institution of the Gospel 6. What you speak concerning the Lords Peo●●● after the Captivity in the rebuilding the Temple ●●●ving no Urim and Thumim c. makes against your 〈◊〉 we would know whether there was any one O●●●nance they neglected from such pretences viz. t●●● had no Urim and Thumim nor Ark of the Coven●●●● or wanted some other visible demonstranion of G●●● presence or special Gifts to perform it the Lord pen your eyes to do as they did who as they fou●● written in the Law of Moses presently set about 〈◊〉 work without waiting for any visible or special ●●●dence of Gods Spirit or presence with them 〈◊〉 were accepted with God He that forced himself in haste to offer a Sacr●●●●● and would not wait you say was sharply rep●●●ed 1 Sam. 13.12 and sustained great damage b● tho he seemed to make a fair plea for what he 〈◊〉 the Lord grant say you it may not be so 〈◊〉 those who out of pretended Zeal to restore an O●●●nance would bring in that which is not of Di●●●● Institution but humane Invention and Composit●●● c. page 13. 1 Reply How unreasonably and impertinently yo●●ring the passage here in of Sauls offering a Sacrifice to atone for his sin of Disobedience let all wise ●●en judge for as it belonged not to him so hi● Conscience told him he should forbear the doing of 〈◊〉 But we know it belongs to us and to all the Churches of Christ to sing Psalms Hymns and Spiritual Songs and sure you cannot be so censorious to ●●dge we do that which belongs not to us and also ●●rce our selves to do it against the light of our Conscience 2. The second thing asserted by you is as bad and 〈◊〉 Unchri●●●●n as the former viz. That our Zeal to ●estore a lost Ordinance is but pretended in which ●ou hint as if we were but a company of Hypo●●ites in what we do herein God will judge between you and us who alone is able and whose ●●ace and right it is you presume too far on Gods ●rerogative 3. How dare you say singing of Psalms c. ●ith Voices together for that we suppose you mean 〈◊〉 not of Divine Institution but of humane invention and composition David's Psalms and other Scrip●●re Hymns and Spiritual Songs are not of humane ●omposition unless part of the Holy Bible is a piece 〈◊〉 humane Invention and for the singing of such ●salms it is commanded or positively required or ●●joyned on us and on the Churches of the Saints 〈◊〉 evident to all whose eyes are enlightened from ●●ph 5.19 Col. 3.16 and that our Saviour with his ●isciples Moses and all Israel Paul and Silas sung ●●gether hath been proved beyond doubt 4. Should one man force himself to sing alone in ●●e Church under pretence of a specfal Gift you ●ight see cause to charge him after that manner i.e. ●●cing himself so to do there being no Command nei●●er Precept nor Example for such a practice therefore such an act would be humane and not of Di●●ne Appointment 5. Saul did not what God commanded and therefore 〈…〉 reproved nay more than that 〈…〉 enough to fear upon the like acc●●● 〈…〉 our People do not sing Psalms 〈…〉 commanded to do but strive to 〈…〉 p●●ctice of it Our Saviour saith He 〈◊〉 breaks the least of these Commandments and teaches 〈◊〉 so to do shall be called the least in the Kingdom of ●●●ven Matth. 5.19 Not that we have so little Ch●●●●ty as to charge you as guilty herein but you w●●●● do well to consider that passage 6. It grieves us to see such lines should drop 〈◊〉 your Pen as your Epistle is made up of sin●● we 〈◊〉 what wise men who have no great love to you us speak not only of you but of the Baptists in ●●neral upon the account thereof and here is room ●●deed for them to say we in restoring Baptism c. but force our selves without any power received 〈◊〉 on high But when you can prove we may and o●● to restore one lost Ordinance without a special ●●sure of the Spirit c. and not another we shall ●ther consider of what you have said Some say 〈◊〉 have read your Epistle that the Baptists are turn Quakers Enthusiasts and what not We hope our Reverend Brethren who are not convinced of Singing but dare not censure others 〈◊〉 see cause to prevent the coming out of any more 〈◊〉 kind of stuff for the time to come and find out 〈◊〉 other way to put an end to this unpleasant Con●●●versie which all know was begun by Mr. Mar● thô the more which is said against singing of Psal●● c. we are sure it will tend for the further clea● it up to be the duty of the Churches You to close your Epistle would have your pe●●●● to consider what a presence of God was with the ●●●tized Churches formerly with continual addition 〈◊〉 them c. however it hath been unduly represe●●●● by a Zealot for common singing to the contrary ● Reply That our Churches were blessed in those ti●●● we deny not and yet this is weakly added by 〈◊〉 ●●●ce they walked up according to 〈…〉 received but we have little 〈…〉 should be prosperous or alike 〈…〉 hath convinced us of this a 〈…〉 ●ould we willfully neglect them 〈…〉 mean we know not Is not Prayer you say a moral duty as much as singing 〈◊〉 be why then do they not call upon all to lift up their Voices ●●●ether in prayer c. there be many bundreds that can speak ●●●ibly that cannot sing at all or not