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A37777 The declaration or remonstrance of the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled with divers depositions and letters thereunto annexed.; Remonstrance of the state of the kingdome, agreed on by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, May 19, 1642 England and Wales. Parliament.; Astley, Jacob Astley, Baron, 1579-1652.; Ballard, Thomas, Lieutenant Colonel to the Lord Grandison.; Chudleigh, James, d. 1643.; Conyers, John, Sir.; Goring, George Goring, Baron, 1608-1657.; Hunks, Fulk, Sir.; Lanyon, John.; Legge,William, 1609?-1670.; O'Connolly, Owen.; Percy, Henry, Baron Percy of Alnwick, d. 1659.; Vavasour, William, Sir, d. 1659. 1642 (1642) Wing E1517; ESTC R3809 41,214 58

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absolved from the secrecy enjoyned by this Oath by any other Oath which should be afterwards taken by them They having taken the Oath Mr Peircy declared That they were were resolved not to admit of any body else into their Councells And Mr Jermyn and this Examinate moved that Sir John Suckling might be received amongst them which being opposed by the rest after some debate it was laid aside And some speech there was of Sir Iohn Suckling his being employed in the Army but how it was agreed upon this Examinate doth not remember After this Mr Piercy made his Propositions which he read out of a paper which were to this effect That the Army should presently be put into a posture to serve the King and then should send up a Declaration to the Parliament of these particulars viz. That nothing should be done in Parliament contrary to any former Act of Parliament which was explayned That Bishops should be maintained in their Votes and Functions And the Kings Revenue be established From these Propositions none of Mr Percyes Company did declare themselves to dissent Then came into consideration if the Army should not immediately be brought to London which as this Examinate remembers was first propounded by Mr Jermyn and also the making sure of the Tower These things this Examinate did urge to shew the vanity and danger of the other Propositions without undertaking this In the conclusion this Examinate did protest against his having any thing to do in either designe for the proof of which he appeals to the consciences of them that were present and so parted with them About this businesse this Examinate saith That they had two meetings and cannot distinguish what passed at the one and what at the other but the result of all was as he formerly declared further then which he cannot depose To the fourth Int. He can say no more then he hath already said To the fifth Int. He saith That the very day that Sir Iohn Suckling first moved this unto him he gave some touch of it to my Lord Dungarvan and the day after his second meeting at Mr Peircyes Chamber he discovered it to my Lord of Newport and defined him to bring him to some other Lords such as might be likeliest to prevent all mischief And accordingly the next day my Lord of Newport brought him to my Lord of Bedford my Lord Say and my Lord Mandevill to whom he imparted the main of the businesse but not the particulars in regard of his Oath and desired them to make use of it as they should see cause for the safety of the Common-wealth but not to produce him nor name any person except there were a necessity for it He further saith That he did at the same time make a Protestation unto those Lords of his fidelity unto the Common-wealth and of his readinesse to run all hazards for it George Goring Master PERCIES LETTER written to the Earle of NORTHUMBERLAND Iune 14th 1641. WHat with my own innocency and the violence I heare is against me I finde my selfe much distracted I will not ask your councell because it may bring prejudice upon you but I will with all faithfulnesse and truth tell you what my part hath been that at least I may be cleered by you whatsoever becomes of me When there was 50000 pound designed by the Parliament for the English Army there was as I take it a sudden demand made by the Scots at the same time of 25000 pound of which there was but 15000 pound ready this they pressed with so much necessity as the Parliament after an Order made did think it fit for them to deduct 10000 pound out of the fifty formerly granted upon which the souldiers in our house were more scandalized amongst which I was one and sitting by Wilmott and Ashburnham Wilmott stood up and told them if such papers as that of the Scots would procure monies he doubted not but the Officers of the English Army might easily do the like but the first order was reversed notwithstanding and the 10000 pound give to the Scots this was the cause of many discourses of dislike amongst us and came to this purpose that they were disobliged by the Parliament and not by the King this being said often one to another we did resolve that is Wilmott Ashburnham Pollard Oneale and my selfe to make some expression of serving the King in all things he would command us that were honourable for him and us being likewise agreeable to the fundamentall lawes of the kingdome that so farre we should live and dye with him This was agreed upon by us not having any communication with others that I am coupled now withall and further by their joynt consent I was to tell his Majesty thus much from them but withall I was to order the matter so as that the King might apprehend this as a great service done unto him at this time when his affaires were in so ill a condition and they were most confident that they could ingage the whole Army thus farre but farther they would undertake nothing because they would neither infringe the liberties of the Subject or destroy the Lawes to which I and every one consented and having their sence I drew the Heads up in a paper to which they all approved when I read it and then we did by an oath promise to one another to be constant and secret in all this and did all of us take that oath together Well Sirs I must now be informed what your particular desires are that so I may be the better able to serve you which they were pleased to do and I did very faithfully serve them therein as farre as I could this is the truth and all the truth upon my soule In particular discourses after that we did fall upon the petitioning the King and Parliament for money there being so great arreares due to us and so much delayes made in the procuring of them but that was never done The preserving of Bishops functions and votes The not disbanding of the Irish Army untill the Scots were disbanded too The endeavouring to settle his revenew to that proportion it was formerly and it was resolved by us all if the King should require our assistance in these things that as farre as we could we might contribute thereunto without breaking the Lawes of the kingdome and in case the King should deny these things being put to them we would not fire from him All these persons did act and concurre in this as well as I. This being all imparted to the King by me from them I perceived he had been treated with by others concerning something of our Army which did not agree with what we proposed but enclined a way more high and sharpe not having limits either of Honour or Law I told the King he might be pleased to consider with himselfe which way it was fit for him to hearken unto For us we were resolved not to depart from our
nor doubt the Houses would have beene as forward to joyne in an order for the suppressi●g of such Tumults as they were not long before upon another occasion when they made an order to that purpose Whereas those Officers and Souldiers which committed that violence upon so many of the Citizens at Whitehall were cherisht and fostred in his Majesties House and when not long after the Common Councel of London presented a Petition to his Majesty for reparation of those injuries his Majesties Answer was without hearing the proofe of the complainants that if any Citizen were wounded or ill intreated his Majesty was confidently assured that it happened by their owne evill and corrupt demeanors We hope it cannot be thought contrary to the du●y and wisedome of a Parliament if many concurring and frequently reitterated and renewed advertizements from Rome Venice Paris and other parts if the solicitation of the Popes Nuntio and our owne discontented fugitives doe make us jealous and watchfull for the safety of the State And We have beene very carefull to make our expressions thereof so easie and so plaine to the capacity and understanding of the people that nothing might justly stick with them with reflection upon the Person of his Majesty Wherein We appeale to the judgement of any indifferent person who shall read and peruse our owne Words We must maintaine the ground of our feares to be of that moment that We cannot discharge the trust and duty which lyes upon us unlesse Wee doe apply our selves to the use of those meanes to which the Law hath enabled us in cases of this nature for the necessary defence of the Kingdom and as his Majesty doth graciously declare the Law shall be the Measure of his power so doe We most heartily professe that We shall alwayes make it the rule of our obedience Prudent omissions in the Answer The next poynt of our Declaration was with much caution artificially passed over by him who drew his Majesties Answer it being indeed the foundation of all our misery and his Majesties trouble that he is pleased to heare generall taxes upon his Parliament without any particular charge to which they may give satisfaction that he hath often conceived displeasure against particular persons upon misinformation although those informations have bin clearly proved to be false yet he would never bring the accusers to question which layeth an impossibility upon honest men of clearing themselves and gives incouragement unto false and unworthy persons to trouble him with untrue and groundlesse informations Three particulars we mentioned in our Declaration which the Penner of that Answer had good cause to omit the words supposed to be spoken at Kensington the pretended Articles against the Queen and the groundlesse accusation of the six Members of the Parliament there being nothing to be said in defence or deniall of any of them Concerning his M●●●sties desire to ioyne with his Parliament and with his faithfull Subiects in defence of Religion and publike good of the Kingdome we doubt not but he will doe it fully when evill Counsellors shall be removed from about him until that be as we shewed before of words so must we also say of Law●● that they cannot secure us witnesse the Petition of Right which was followed with such an inundation of illegall taxes that we had ●ust cause to thinke that the payment of eight hundred and twenty thousand pounds was an easie burthen to the Common-wealth in exchange of them and we cannot but iustly thinke that if there be a continuance of such ill Cou●sel●ors and favour to them they will by some wicked device or other make the Bill for the Trien 〈…〉 Parliament and those other excellent Lawes mentioned in his Maiesties Declaration of lesse value then words That excellent Bill for the continuance of this Parliament was so necessary that without it we could not have raised so great sums of mony for the 〈◊〉 of his Ma●esty the Common-wealth as we have don● and without which the ruine and destruction of the Kingdom must needs have followed And we are resolved the gracious favour of his Maiesty expressed in that Bill and the advantage and security which thereby we have from being dissolved shall not incourage us to doe any thing which otherwise had not beene fit to have beene done And we are ready to make it good before all the world that although his Maiesty hath passed man● Bills very advantagious for the Subject yet in none of them have we bereaved his Maiesty of any iust necessary or profitable Prerogative of the Crowne We so earnestly desire his Maiesties returne to London that upon it we conceive depends the very safety and being of both his Kingdomes And therefore we must protest that as for the time past neither the government of London nor any Lawes of the Land have lost their life and force for his security So for the future we shall be ready to doe or say anything that nay stand with the duty or honour of a Parliament which may raise a mutuall confidence betwixt his Maiesty and us as wee doe wish and as the affaires of the Kingdome doe require Thus far the Answer to that which is called his Maiesties Declaration hath led us now we come to that which is Intituled his Maiesties Answer to the Petition of both Houses presented to him at Yorke the 26 of March 1642. In the beginning whereof his Maiesty wisheth that 〈◊〉 Privileges on all parts wee so Stired that this way of correspondency might be preserved with that freedome which hath beene used of old we know nothing introduced by us that gives any impediment hereunto neither have we affirmed our Priviledges to be broken when his Maiesty denies us any thing or gives a reason why he cannot grant it or that those who advised such denyall were enemies to the peace of the Kingdome and favourers of the Irish Rebellion in which aspersion that is turned into a general asersion which in our Votes is applyed to a particular case wherefore we must maintaine our Votes that those who advised his Maiesty to contradict that which in both Houses in the Question concernig the Militia had declared to be Law and command it should not be obeyed is a high breach of priviledge and that those who advised his Maiesty to absent himselfe from his Parliament are enemies to the peace of the Kingdome and iustly to be suspected to be favourers of the Rebellion in Ireland the reasons of both are evident because in the first there is as great a derogation from the trust and authority of Parliament and in the second as much advantage to the proceedings and hopes of the Rebels as may be and we hold it a very causelesse imputation upon the Parliament that we have herein any way impeacht much lesse taken away the freedome of his Majesties Vote which doth not import a liberty for his Majesty to deny any thing how necessary soever for the