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A70289 A short answer to a book called The fanatick history published with the approbation of divers orthodox divines (so called) and dedicated to the king by Richard Blome (against the Quakers) : which being examined and tried, is found to be a packet of old lies, many of which was seven years since presented to the Little Parliament, and since to other parliaments and protectors, which by us was answered and confuted in the year 1653 many other lies and false reports is gathered up since by them, which herein is answered and disproved : and herein also is a short relation of the twelve changes of governments which have bin in this nation in those eight years, under all of which we have suffered and been persecuted for that truth, which we yet stand witnesses for, against all its opposers / Richard Hubberthorne ; James Nayler. Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.; Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1660 (1660) Wing H3232; ESTC R6755 22,690 31

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Christ hath given to some discerning of Spirits and the Spiritual man judgeth all things as saith the Scripture 1 Cor. 2.15 1 Cor. 12.10 and this Privilege the Saints had by the Spirit of Christ in them and the same we witness every one according to our measure as we have received the same Spirit 1 Cor. 11 12. And thou chargest one Nicholas Kate to have said 1. That Mariage was made by man 2. that Christians were worse than Beasts 3. that any woman was as free to him as his Wife 4. that his Wife was no Wife of his she was a Limb of the Devil 5. that he was holy and all things that he touched were holy 6. that when the fullness of time was come he should work Miracles To which we say the man we know not neither the truth of thy Accusations for they may be as false of him in these things as thou art found in many other things concerning others yet to the first of these we say that though true Mariage be of God and that which hath his blessing yet there be too many Mariages at this day made without God in the lust To the 2d we say that there be many who are called Christians that by nature are worse than Beasts and b● practise also though none deserve the name of Christians truly but such as are in Christ Jesus and being sanctified by his Spirit such are holie as saith the Scripture ●or the rest we leave it as that which is none of ours Thou further accuses us for saying that the Redeemer of man is not that Person the Son of man that dyed at Jerusalem but the light which is in everie particular man c. To which we say thy Accusation is false for we own no other Redeemer but that Person the Son of God that dyed at Jerusalem who is the light within us and the light of the world as he said of himself Iohn 8.12 though this be a mystery to thee and tha● which has been hid from Ages even Christ in us the hope of glory Col. 1. Again thou accusest us for saying The Scripture is not the way to find out the knowledge of Christ but a turning the mind within c. To which we say Christ is the way the light and the life and no man comes to the knowledge of him but by the Father Mat. 11.27 nor to the knowledge of the Father but by him though men without both may read the Letter as the Jews did whom thou tells on and their searching of the Scripture who for all that never came to the knowledge of Christ nor would they come to him that they might have life So ignorant is flesh and blood of his way and knowledge from the Letter and therefore we do say that without first turning to the light and Spirit of Christ there is no comming to him nor his knowledge Luke 10.22 And for the Blasphemies thou chargest against us as first that we say we are equal with God as holy just and good as God himself and this thou sayes was affirmed by George Fox and James Naylor before Witnesses To which J. N. sayes thy Charge is utterly false concerning me who in the presence of God can say that I never spoke these words secr●t nor open nor did it ever enter into my heart so to think of my self It is true George Fox was accused at Lancaster of saying that he was equal with God and to his Answer we refer you for satisfaction as it is in Sauls errand Page 10 11. Which answer is in these words Answ. That was not so spoken but that he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are of one and the Saints are all one in the Father and the Son of his Flesh and of his Bone this the Scripture doth witnesse and ye are the Sons of God and the Father and the Son are one and they that are joyned to the Lord are one Spirit 1 Cor. 6.17 they that are joyned to an Harlot a●e one fl●sh But as for saying he was as holy just and good as God himself this was never charged upon him And many other such false charges are laid upon us which we are not guilty of and which there is no proof for from our words or writings as that we should say that we are more perfect than Christ and that Christ is a sinner and that we should call the Apostles carnal men with other things of that nature which wee neither thought spoke nor writ and so these things being disowned and disproved by us is returned back again to be condemned with the accuser of the brethren from whence they did arise Again as concerning the dispute at Cambridge which thou mentions in the Fanatick History put forth by T. S. that is answered and his false accusations disproved by George Whitehead in a book called The Key of Knowledge not found in the Vniversity of Cambridge which is to be sold at the Black spread-Eagle in Martyns And also the false Relation of the disputation at Sandwich is answered and the truth of it clearly declared Again concerning thy relation in the 11. Chapter of the Phanatique History of the Petition of divers Ministers in Westmerland c. the substance of clamors therein expressed and the charges against G●o Fox and Ja. Nailor is fully answered to satisfaction of those that desire to understand the Truth in a book called Sauls Errand which is to be sold at the B●ack spread Eagle at the West end of Pauls And as for thy Narrative of publick proceedings against the Quakers in divers Counties and Cities and how they were imprisoned without the breach of any Law and for speaking the word of the Lord as they were moved and because they could not swear and because they were signs against pride these things doth all testifie for us how innocently we have suffered and how unchristianlike they have been that have so persecuted us for doing the will of God in love to their souls who have thus hated us And our being so hated persecuted and imprisoned by the Powers that have ruled in this Nation do plainly shew unto those of understanding that they have wanted the Spirit of Christ Love Meeknesse Mercyfulness and have shewed Cruelty without Mercy therefore the same measure which they have given unto others is justly come upon themselves and he that would provoke the Magistrates now to persecution as others that have gone before them they would bring them into the same Cause of Condemnation for which the Lord God might justly cut them off as he hath done others which would not be warned in their day untill their time was no more A short Relation of the twelve Changes of Government that hath been in England within these 8. years under all of which we have suffered Persecution SInce by the Lord we were called chosen and separated to be his People and had unto us committed the word of Reconciliation and
since his eternal Power broke forth and was manifest amongst us hath he done great things in the Earth for he hath prepared his way and made it plain before the face of all people by the appearance and testimony of his eternal light in their hearts which hath not only the●e shined but is broken forth into a life of Righteousness in many whom the Lord hath accounted worthy to be his Servants in his work to raise up a seed unto Jacob and to gather the dispersed of Israel and Juda both Jews and Gentiles into the Covenant of Light and Life with the Father from whence the● are erred by transgression and for the accomplishing of this Work and Service hath the Lord furnished us with Spiritual Weapons to war even against Spiritual wickednesse in high places 2 Cor. 10.4 5. And against the Rulers of the Darknesse of ●his world Ephes. 6.12 which hath appeared under many Forms and Governments since the breakings forth of truth in this Nation Yea many Heads or Governments hath been raised up and cast down again by one Hand and Power and have all from the Lord through his Servants had a word of Wisedom and Councel ministred unto them what they should do that they might be established which if they did not the Lord would break them to pieces which word of the Lord was fulfilled upon them all And every divers Head had a Horn in it to push at the Lambs of Christ withall and at every appearance of his Spirit and Power in his People but for his Elect sake was their daies shortned and his breakings and destruction came upon them according to his word spoken to them by his Servants at divers times And it is to be observed as the Lords doing and ordering by his mighty Power that with in these eight years since we have been persecuted and cruelly used for the name and Testimony of Jesus and the Answer of a pure Conscience there hath been twelve Changes of Government in this Nation which have all of them more or lesse been guiltie of our Sufferings either in acting against us or in suffering others to act cruelly and not endeavouring to restrain them when they had power in their hands to do it and the sufferings laid before them who suffered for Righteousnesse sake so that they could not plead Ignorance but was left without excuse which now in the day of their misery and tribulation some of them do consider it when their time is no more 1. As first in the time of the Long-Parliament in the year 1652. although many pretended some prayed and some fought for Liberty of Conscience in matters of Religion and yet at that time were we imprisoned beat and persecuted for obeying and worshipping our God in Spirit and Truth according to his teaching and at that time the Priests Rage begun to burn like fire and they run one unto another and kindled the wrath in one another against the Truth even to petition against the spreading of it and those that walked in it as a dangerous thing and they generally with one consent called the Truth Heresie Delusion and Blasphemy and those that ministered it abroad they called Ring-leaders of Sects as in the Apostles daies there was the like example But these was warned in their day not to persecute the Innocent nor to uphold those that preached for filthy lucre who served not the Lord Jesus Christ but their own Bellies But they hearkned not to the Council of the Lord but shut their ears against his Instructions therefore was their day taken from them and their Power given to another that they also might be tryed 2. In the year 1653. a Council of State was called by O.C. but they did nothing to take off the weight of oppression in the Nation neither in Spiritual nor Civil things for Pride and the deceiptfulnesse of Riches entred into their hearts that they did not regard nor set themselves wholly to do that which the Lord did require of them although they were warned of God in their time yet the Yoke of the oppressor was not taken away but under it the Nation groaned and they wrought no deliverance in the earth 3. Then the Little Parliament sat in the same year and there was a plant of Righteousnesse tending towards some equity and freedom springing up in them but the strength of deceipt and subtilty in others did Quench it before it brought forth any thing to perfection and in that time the Priests fierce persecuting Zeal was so inflamed that many Petitions from several parts of the Nation was presented against the Quakers to the Parliament and their continual clamor Petitions and Addresses and they being regarded and harkned unto was one cause of the continuance of the Nations bondage and oppression and God never prospered such as received them into their Councils or gave heed to their reports but a Curse and Destruction alwaies followed them in their undertakings whose ear was open unto such things And in the time of this Power and Government was persecution continued about Religion though much was pretended to the contrary they also were warned and wisely counselled in their day and so was left without excuse 4. Again in the same year was O.C. made Protector who had his day and power in his hand to have done good and to have done that which he and others pretended but he joyning with the covetous Priests and their Interests to make his arm strong thereby betrayed the Lord and his People into the hands of sinners And insteed of removing Persecution he caused new Acts to be made to Persecute by and so brought a Curse upon himself and Family and Tribulation upon those that trusted in him And the Lord did often visit him with reproofs and instructions untill he hardened his heart against all reproof and then was he given up of the Lord and of his People to his appointed end as an Example to all Hypoc●ites and Treacherous ones 5. Again his second Parliament was called and sat in the year 1654. in their daies was not the Land eased nor freed from its bondage and when they had let in the Priests Spirit and was insensed against the Truth and intending to make Laws to Persecute then were they broken and their power taken from them who in their day was warned but did not the thing which the Lord required of them 6. Oliver's 3d. Parliament which consisted of two Houses sat in the year 1657. they more than any of the rest did draw back into that which they had declared against and they let in the P●iests Persecuting Spirit and made Laws for Persecution and many were Imprisoned in the time of their Government because for Conscience sake they could not pay Tithes to the Hireling Priests and because they could not Swear contrary to Christs command Mat. 5. And they had many warnings and admonitions from the Lord which they rejected and so the Lord rejected them as from doing
his work 7. Then Richard Cromwell in the year 1658. was made Protector whom the Priests flockt to as their Rock of defence that he as their Joshua might lead them into their promised Land which was but a Benefice of Tithes or Augmentations their prayed for Inheritance and they told him that the Gospel was bound up in him and so did cleave unto him by Flatteries as they did unto all the rest before him for their own ends but the suffering seed of God which could not Flatter him was not set free who freely declared unto him the word of the Lord and instructions from the Almighty before his day was over 8. And again his Parliament sate in the year 1659. they continued and did not free the Sufferers and imprisoned ones who suffered only for the worship of their God and for the exercise of a good Conscience but they went on swiftly in the way of their destruction to impose Worships upon People and to decree unrighteous Decrees and upon that Rock of Religion they were broken as others had been before them though they were exhorted to righteousness and told of the evil that did come upon them 9. The 9th Government was again the Long-Parliament who came in with great Pretences and Resolutions and Protestations to make this Nation a Free-Commonwealth not only in name but in nature And they begun well and to call the Prisoners up to London who suffered for Conscience sake and freed some of them and many of them intended to take away that great Oppression of Tithes whereby much deceipt and many Deceivers are held up in the Nation and then the Priests rage was kindled against them and they cursed them in their Pulpits and preached up war against them and themselves get Horses Pistols and Swords to fight for their Tithes and Maintenance and when they were routed then they again petitioned the Parliament some begging pardon and some pleading not guilty and the Parliament was so blind that upon their Dissimulation they let in the Priests again and begun to gratifie the Priests and establish Tithes and then the wrath of God broke forth against them and their Destruction was prophecyed of and told them that it should shortly come upon them as it came to passe because they would not receive the Lords Counsel in their day 10. Then the Armie and Committee of Safety so called had the Power and Government in their hands which they did not improve as they might have done for the liberty of the Subjects neither did they receive that counsel from the Lord which would have opened their understandings how to have ruled for him but with corrupt reasonings among themselves perverted one another and confounded their own work reasoning out the good and honest intentions of some that was amongst them untill they all became as a heap of Confusion and their work broken to pieces A just reward of their own devices and following the counsels of their own hearts neglecting the Advice of that Spirit of righteousnesse which should have led and also established them in the work of the Lord in the Nation so as unworthy and disobedient were they cast out 11. Then again the Long-Parliament had another day of Tryal given them into their hands but a mad Zeal and Fury attended them against the honest and upright-hearted people and the Fury of the Oppressor was highly exalted amongst them bu●ning like Fire in which they could not contain themselves nor possess their own Spirits in quietness in which Fury was Folly the effects of which did betray and destroy both themselves and others They being diverted from their first intentions and desire after righteousness a just recompence of reward for their Disobedience came upon them according to many true Testimonies from the Lords Servants unto them which if in time their Ears had been open to the Lords instructions and their Hearts inclined to righteousness that swift and sudden destruction had not so soon come upon them but they being blinded with Fury in their anger would neither hear nor see that which was the effect of their own work nor the Lords hand of Justice near come upon them as now they may consider it 12. The Secluded Members then came in as a rod of Gods anger and of Justice or a prey upon them and it was manifest to the seeing Eye that God had tu●ned his hand against all those which had abused his Power and neglected his work who had sought and set up themselves instead of the Lord and his righteousness and now when the Lords hand is justly stretched for to wound those that by him would not be healed who shall forbid it untill the Cause be removed and t●ey purged through judgement and suffering And now unto you the present Power King and Parliament be not high minded but fear be not lifted up as though by your Arm Power and Policie you had got a Victory For it is Righteousness yet which the Lord doth require and if by his immediate Power without your Sword he have cut off all those that you might be grafted in Consider therefore Gods end in so doing for it is by that immediate Power of God which hath broken them that you must stand if you do stand for God is the same and will be to you as he hath been to others as you answer or not answer his requirings For it is not Persons that God accepts but he that fears God and works righteousness is accepted of him therefore as you look to be established by the Lord do Righteousness Equity and Justice to every man without respect of persons and those that according to the Equal and Royal Law of God walk doing unto others as they would that others should do unto them Take heed of imposing any thing relating to the matter of Worship upon the Consciences least you kindle Gods wrath against you as others have done which will not easily be quenched for upon this Rock have many been broken and others wounded so that they could not again be healed And two things we would mind you of especially First That you are not come in by your own Sword or Power but by a remarkable hand of God in such a way as neither your selves nor many other could have expected 2ly Consider what a flood of unrighteousness licentiousness and fleshly liberty hath of a sudden overspread the Nation upon your comming in which although it received some little seasonable curb by a Proclamation from King Charles till which scarce a man fearing God and that could not joyn with them in their riotings and drunken healths could pass the Streets in most places of the Nation yet the Body of that Iniquity still stands in many places as in May games Fidlings Danceings Stage-playes and divers other ungodly vain Sports by which Gods righteous Soul is still grieved the Spirits of all people that truely fears God sadned the weight of that wickedness which already lay upon the Nations mightily encreased quite contrary to what such a work as your comming in after such a manner required All which speaks dreadfull things against these Nations in the sight of many who are most acquainted with Gods fear and have that Eye in them which foresee Evil to come in whose Hearts and Mouths it is now to warn you in love to your own Souls who are in Power to scatter such Wickednesse and the Nation● peace and well-being That the Wrath that is already threatned might be prevented from comming in your day And we desire That you may take more notice of the Lords warnings to you than others have done that have gone before you that Gods hand and power be not turned against you as it was again●t them Richard Hubberthorn THE END Pro. 4.16 Pro. 20.8 and 26. Pro. 39.14 Eccles. 5.8 1 Tim. 3.9 Iohn 16.13 John 4.24 Psal. 82. Rom. 13.3 Amos 5.15 Isa. 5.7 Isa. 32.7 2 Cor. 10.4.5 Ephes. 6.12 c. Acts 6.10 Act● 21.28 Acts 17.5.6 Acts 25.15 16. 2 Thes. 3.2 Mica 7.8 Joh. 11.9 10. 1 Tim. 6.16 R●v. 21.24 Isa. 53.1 Joh. 3.80 Mat. 5.48 Heb. 6.1 Heb. 2.11 Ephes. 5.30