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A75441 An answer to the petition sent from the Vniversitie of Oxford to the honourable court of Parliament. 1641 (1641) Wing A3430; Thomason E160_10; ESTC R22196 5,538 13

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the Ministery of the Gospell they deserve not respect for their works sake to be preferred and honoured as Ministers in a pastorall charge and not to cloyster themselves up as unfit to labour in the Lords Vineyard and all are younger brothers that doubt of the truth of it The Officers and Ministers that depend upon them are but Pensioners to those Priests that are maintained in the Cells they must be all conformable not onely to their superstition but their humours could they not be better maintained if the revenews were shared amongst them but this is their Priestly State to have their vassals to waite upon them and to eate their scrapes which would otherwise fall to the dogs Oh I but here 's our great works Free-Schools and Hospitals are upheld by them I confesse some thing is done that way by some of them partly being injoyned partly for custome and partly for vain-glory but free Schools would be free indeed if halfe those rents were given to that end and Hospitalls might be better maintained or poverty prevented if the other halfe were bestowed to that purpose but they will be Scavingers to mend high wayes and bridges I wonder what Authours they have to prove these to be pious works which the Carters can doe better than they but they have their ends if they are at any cost that way either for comming to their houses or for to gaine applause for doing that which they and others are bound to doe I see now they doe not confine holines to the Church nor to things belonging thereunto seeing they bring it over bridges into the high wayes as for being causes of much profit to those Cities where they are situate in relieving the poore a poore pittance the poore have of them It would be a great helpe to the Cities if the meanes save what would maintaine two godly Ministers were bestowed upon those Cities to maintaine the poore in worke that are able to worke and to keepe those that are not nor doe I conceive that any strangers doe come on purpose to visite the Ornaments unlesse they be some superstitious Pilgrimes such as did use to visit Thomas Beckets Tombe and such hinder the Citie and not helpe it because they goe a begging then surely the Citie hath no more dealing with Chapmen then if the Cathedrall and all that belong to it were at Rome well pietie commeth againe nay monuments of pietie I am sure the wickedest wretch that is may doe good Bonum sed non bone they may bestow their estates to such purposes when they can keepe them no longer especially if they thinke to merit Heaven by that meanes which they would not labour for before We know many of them were great Oppressors Usurers Popish Bishops Cardinalls amongst the rest the Cardinall Wolsey which was a proud trayterous wretch yet must these build monuments of their pietie they have built faire houses which might be usefull if they were better imployed for as they are now they are not the honour of this Kingdome in the sight of forraine Nations but its disgrace I had thought they had not been all Churchmen that were maintain'd here spoken of before because they were multitudes and whole families but now I finde many thousands of the laitie who enjoyed faire estates from them and in a free way too I perceive the first were all devoted to the Church I dare not question it as a repetition in their Petition nor as tautologies being three motives betwixt the one and the other It is as well done as the Articles of the Synod were last yeare to establish the Church but that it is not stuft so full of Antiquities they would steere all and have all our liberties and livelihoods come from them but they were such ill Pilotes that they are like to be put out of office and wiser men set at the sterne And let all men judge whether they adde to the crowne or take from it and whether those fat Livings did not or doe not properly belong to it and whether they have those things by desert or whether by their preaching that all is the Kings right he may not first challenge those revenews of them in part As for those that are learned professors there they may have maintenance allowd when those Priories are abolished but they are so accustomed to idlenesse that their learning goeth not out of their Colledges there they stay themselves if they are sent to a Benefice abroad they can preach but seldome for they have not been used to it and now they cannot learne then they will give ten pounds a yeare for a journey-man to reade service and to talke once a fortnight to the people of what dead men spoke before which will serve their turne if he can mix a little Latine amongst it but then he must not hold them too long he will preach three times a yeare himselfe if his meanes will make good a hundred pounds a Sermon or else he scornes to preach so often the selling of Fellowships will helpe the Masters that remaines there but that was not the Founders intent The subversion of those Abeyes from their corrupt abuses and converting them to good uses will be attended with honourable consequences nor will it bring reproach to any but to those that are Popishly affected some harder conditions it may to drones because none will be in request but preaching Ministers the laitie will be eased nor can you have more contempt than what your pride and fulnesse have brought upon you and under the correction of any wise men except your selves it will encourage Schollars to be industrious that when they excell they shall not only be placed where they shall have sufficient maintenance but honour among the best of men And those that foresee this will not desire to have it remedied I thinke such considerations as yours will not move any unlesse it be to laughter or to mourne against your cause the more from your own arguments how are you changed you call that Assembly honourable and say they have great wisdome whom you style mad-men in your Letter to Laud November the ninth that pious jeere of that great Assembly is knowne to promote Religion in a spirituall manner not so much houses which you call religious after the Popish custome but the revenews is that you sticke most upon you have made voyde the intents of the Donors in preferring those which bid most whose friends are greatest and keeping poore Schollars out for whom it was intended poore indeed I doe beleeve God is more dishonoured in and by such places than in most Alehouses by their confused bawling they have a pretence to serve God but they intend their owne bellies the man that whips the dogs is thought commonly to be the best amongst them those Students which have outward by ends when they begin to study they seldome or never bring Gods ends about which is to convert the soules of men in studying themselves they are strangers to the truth but honest indeavours are alwayes accompanied with blessings of increase I did not intend to be seene at all in this answer therefore what wants the force of an Argument compare it with yours and then it may passe You promise to pray c. What you intend by it I know not whether it be pray we which was in fashion of late or for my Lords Grace or for the breaking up of the Parliament you may put any thing to c. But you seldome pray without the Service Booke for that is an innovation and some of you have been questioned for innovations of late there are none of those prayers in it but it is a wonder you had not the prayer against the Scots put in it for it was couragiously pen'd I am so charitable as to thinke you meane to pray for the sicke but you would have been to seeke for examples if it had not been for Peters wives mother and the Captaines servant but if the praying c. were joyned to the preaching c. they might draw both one way Although your Petition came from the Convocation house where the Doctors and Masters were assembled yet omnibus singulis was too much it would not have it to all nor ab hominibus from all it would faine have some of you free but I doubt your coppy was corrected comming into some Lay mans hands before it came to the Presse or else the Printer being carelesse left out your strongest Motives or weakned the sense on purpose to make some women laugh at it if it be so call it in or disclaime it for your act and deed and then I will call in mine too when this impression is sold FJNJS