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A17186 An holsome antidotus or counter-poysen, agaynst the pestylent heresye and secte of the Anabaptistes newly translated out of lati[n] into Englysh by Iohn Veron, Senonoys Bullinger, Heinrich, 1504-1575.; VĂ©ron, John, d. 1563. 1548 (1548) STC 4059; ESTC S104813 56,402 234

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