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A13585 Temporis filia veritas A mery devise called the troublsome travell of tyme, and the daungerous delivery of her daughter trueth. Interlocutours, Bennion the button-maker: and Balthesar the barber. 1589 (1589) STC 23875; ESTC S102448 17,807 20

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what should I speake of their superstitious names Videlicet my Lord of Canterburyes grace my Lord Yorcks grace my Lord Bishop Mr. Deane Mr. Subdeane Mr. Archdeacon Mr. Commosary Dr. such-a-on Mr. Soueraigne Mr. Parson Mr. Vicker c. and to be shorte vvat soeuer the protestant vseth so vvel in his seruice as in his ministration of Sacraments and Ceremonyes they are all counterfeyted out of Papistry and are therefore no better to be termed then rotten Raggs of the Romish Church For that cause right Honourable audience I beseech you in the bowels of Iesu Christ that you vvoulde once ouerthrowe and cleane roote out for euer all such Antichristan memorials aforesayd of that Babilonish hoore so that nothing remayne vpon the Earth in any remembrance of her And then may you reforme Religion as we shall Instruct you after the maner of the best reformed Churches in all Europe And vntill that tyme we wil neyther obey you nor your lawes and Institutions for in such case say we it is better to obey God then men And thus I conclude Right Noble and worshipfull forasmuch as our zeyle standeth more towards God and his lawes then towards the lawes and ordinances of men Therefore we who are aboue in our ministration men or Angels doe holde our Religion to be the best because we seeke the reformation of the Church in all things that are amisse and moreouer we haue our foundation from Ezechia Iosia Iudas Machabeus c. and for that cause of greater antiquitie then them both And our ministration which we vse and teach among our Colleges in our exercises and nightly conventikles is the Trueth And here I end comitting all things herein touched to your vvisdoms to consider of And so departed Balt. O Lord what shall I saye or vpon what Religion shall I now staye me wherby I mought now find out the Trueth then hath he so vnfolded it in such sorte also layde his ground so sure that all men vvhich heareth him as I conjecture must needs thinke that he vvhich is so zealous for Gods cause feareth not to reproue the King to his face seeketh the reformation of the Church and also bringeth vvith him the greatest antiquitie is like to preuayle and also winne the best game Yet vvould I fayne heare what the 4● could saye to all these profound and groundly reasons but alas what should a playne Plowman saye among such high learned Prelats Notwithstanding of fellowship let me heare what the foolish fellowe could say or what answer he could make that I might laugh a little Ben. Last of all stood vp this playne Plowman whose Religion was vnknowen although he had bin so long tyme by all these 3 aforsayd suspected bruted for an Heretique And falling downe vpon his knees he sayd O most puissant Prince together vvith all your Honorable and vvorshipfull in this present Parlament assembled Are you desyerous in this contentious and troublesome tyme wherin all Iniquity doth abounde and wherin also so many Religions sects and opinions are out of flesh and bloud entred or taken on among the Children of men to vnderstand the best Religion as also the Trueth and what thing the Trueth is to th end that God mought be honoured therin Then I beseech you of your clemencie heare me speake You haue heard of these 3. one being contrary to an other speake the very best that in them was for the aduouching of their Religion and the Trueth And now as touching the first namely the Catholike he hath out of a good zeale brought in so nere as he could conjecture the first ground of the Catholik Religion and the long continuance thereof declaring also that the sacraments Ioan. 14 a. b c 1. Ioan. 3.4 a.b.c. signes ceremonyes and seruices of the same Church were ordeyned onely to keepe in memory things passed c. euen like as the seruices and sacraments ceremoniall of the old lawe were in the beginning ordeyned to keepe in memorie things that thē were to come c. Notwithstanding the good life wherevpon all sacraments signes ceremonies or shadowes figuratiue in the Catholik church did point vpon and vvhich also the holy scripture doe require and whereout the dutifull obedience towards God and Gouernours doth proceed was of this Catholicke now in these last dayes altogether forsaken rejected and forgotten euen like as it vvent also in times before with the disobedient and vnbeleeuing jewes so hath he forsaken the Trueth vvhereupon he sayth his Religion was grounded And therefore the Lorde hath now no pleasure in this Apostated Catholik nor yet in his absurd Religion vvherevpon it is now come to passe that the 2. namely this Protestant beholding the many-maner abuses and disorderlynesse of life which hath bin now in these latter dayes found in this Cotholique and his Religion and for the vvhich no doubt he hath receiued greate chastisment of the Lord and his Ministers hath declared forth to his great reproach many of the same abuses before you all very rightly as they vvere and moreouer out of a great zeale hath commended his owne Religion for the best which thou O king hast now appointed and set vp among vs Videlicet the declaring forth of the gospell and holy scriptures among vs. The seruice vsed and read in the mother tongue to thend all mought heare and vnderstand what is sayd and then followe the same vvhich is good as likewise the sacraments ceremonies ministred in the same tongue to thend all subjects mought be holden vnder godly and manly obedience and hue according to the scriptures in one vniformity of Religion according to the kings good meaning therein Psalm 1. and. 15.24 Math. 25. d. ● All these say I were it accomplished in the deed and in the Trueth is a very good Religion also vvere very vvell sayde of him as out of a singuler good zeale Notwithstanding the vvhile this Protestant vvhich can readily reproue an other by the scripture vvalketh forth still in all malitiousnes of life although he boaste neuer so much of Light Life Liberty Psa 15. Ioan. 12. g. Rom. 8. b. Math. 7. d. 1. Cor. 6. b. Collo 3. a. 2. Tim. 3. a. Freedome by Christe he remayneth notwithstanding in darkenes and is the seruant of sinne or bondslaue of Sathan vvhat should I say of the couitousnes that vvorshipping of Images Enuie Pride Extortion Symony Vsery Whoredome together vvith all maner of Iniquity that now doth abound in this Protestant so vvell among the Clergie as the Layetie Thus may vve see that he likevvise in rejecting the good life Ioan. 14 a. 12. g. Gal. 2. d. Math. 5. 2. Ioan. 4. b. vvhich all the holy scriptures do requier and witnes and were vpon also all the holy scriptures as also al sacraments ceremonies figures or shadowes that good are do signifie figure forth point vpon hath rejected the Trueth And novv beholde I pray you what fruits haue insued since this liberty
Temporis Filia Veritas A mery devise called the Troublsome travell of Tyme and the daungerous delivery of her Daughter Trueth Equity is gone asyde and Righteousnes standeth farre of the Trueth is fallen downe in the streets and the thing that is playne may not be shewed The Trueth is layde in prison and he that refrayneth himselfe from evill must bee spoyled Esa 59. a. Therefore thus sayth the Trueth those myne Enemyes which would not that I shoud Raygne ouer them bring them hither and slay them before my face Luc. 19. c. Geve no sentence before thou hast heard the cause but first let men tell out ther Tales Eccles 11. If a man love me he will keepe my sayings sayth Christ and my Father will love him yea we will come vnto him and dwell with him Ioan. 14. b. Interlocutours BENNION the Button-maker and BALTHESAR the Barber Anno 1589. BENION WEll ouertaken neighbour BALTHASAR where haue you bin this longe tyme for I haue not seene you in your shoppe these 3. or 4. dayes BALTHASAR I have bin washing shauing and triming in the Countrye Ben. Then I trust you can tell vs of some good newes for men say all newes are to be heard of at a Smyths Forge a Barbers shopp or at a mill Balt. Verely I can heare of little or no good newes in the Contry to be had wherefore I pray you neighbour Benion tell me in sadnes what doe you heare Ben. Suerly neighbour I can tell you of very good newes wherat I trust to God we all shall reioyse this is the matter I came no sooner into the Citty and had gotten a Chapman for my buttons but in comming by a Smiths Forge I heard say there was a worthy Parlament appoynted and a gratious day set wherin euery man conserning his religion should be permitted freely to speake without any lett or interruption and also heard without any perceality And then whosoeuer hath the best on his syde in the Trueth it was concluded that his religion should take place he preferred of the Kinge and the Trueth set vp aboue all Balt. But tell me is that possible Ben. Yea truly but what would you saye if I were there present and hearde all the same parley euen from the beginning to the end Balt. Suerly I would say then that this Realme should be most happy of all nations vnder the Sonne yea and moreouer that the Lord would blesse and prosper such magistrates in all things that they tooke in hand Now therefore I pray thee tell me more of this matter but wast thou in deed from the beginning to the end of this parley Ben. I heard al that was there spoken and concluded amongst them Balt. What were the company there assembled canst thou tell Ben. Yea For there was none that sate in Iudgment vnlesse they were of great dignity honour or worship Videlicet 1. The Kinge which executeth true judgment without percealety and he sate vppermost in his royall seate 2. The Counsell which are good aduouching alwayes therunto they sate next vnto him 3. The Lords Spiritual who are zelous for the trueths cause and were placed next them 4. The Lords Temperall who are redy to defend the Trueth and they were placed next them 5. And lastly the comons who are redy to liue therin euery one of these aforesayd so much as they may attayne grace therto of the Lord and they sate in the nethermost roome Balt. This was doubtlesse a ioyfull sight To● beholde the Lord blesse them all and geue them of his grace to haue all men speake whithout perseality to judge vprightly and also to establish those things that may redounde to Gods glory Amen but what speaker was appoynted to the same parlament Ben. Such a one as in lyke maner feared the Lord and is desyerous that all things mought be done for the best according to Gods will Balt. Then first of all I pray thee let me heare what the speaker sayd and what matters were their cheifly handled by him conserning the effect o● principall causes of theyr assembly for it should seeme by this thy saying that there were matters handled of great importance Ben These or the lyke so farre as my memory would serve me were the words of the speaker SPEAKER For as muche as I at this tyme although vnmeet therunto am appoynted to speake before the Kings highnes as also before you all Right high Honorable an● worshipfull here assembled in matters appertayning to a common welth sowell for soule as body Therefore must I first of all in most humble wise craue perdon of his Majestie and also of all you Honorable and worshipfull in this audience that if any thing chaunce for the want of skill audacitie or wisdom to escape my mouth it may be taken to the best according to my good meaning Thus it is ò most renoumed Prince and you Honorable Lords Spirituall temperall together whith you worshipfull and commons of this present Parlament here assembled also be it knowne vnto you all That the cheif and principall thing wherethrough all Nations Kingdoms Princes People and commonwelths are vphoulden kept and preserved from harmes and destruction is God which God therefore ought of all Nations Kingdoms and People most cheifly and aboue all other things to be feared loued obeyed honored served And seeing that your calling is cheifly to that end also that all your cares and Industryes is now gratiously bent therunto in somuch as this honorable assembly is come together there about I beseech you therefore in the name of the same liuing God to heare me For as-much as it is not vnknowne vnto the Kings highnes as also to the honorable and worshipfull here assembled that although the scriptures haue bin to the same effect aforsayd most plentifully read vnto the People these many yeres according to the Kings appoyntment and good intention yet not-withstandinge we see that the liues of the People for the most part are become worse and worse sowell among the learned as among the layhood and the cause is for that the Preachers themselues doe not desyer to become such as they would frame theyr hearers to be And not that alone but also by thAt meanes and for the want of obedience there are spr●ng vp sondry sect and sortes of religions here among vs at this daye so thatt euery one being notwithstanding contrary mynded one towards an other will haue his owne for the best yea although they must all needs graunt that there is but one onely trueth it would be to long to resyte how many haue bin deceiued and are yet through superstition and Idolatry likewise how many in these haue taken to their selues A freedom and liberty of lyfe in comitting wickednes out of their miscōrstuing of holy scriptures And more ouer how m●ny haue bin expulced the vniuersities for their dissobedience forsaken heir benefice and exhibition gathered together their conventikles Pr●ached false and sedicious