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A19060 A refutation of M. Ioseph Hall his apologeticall discourse, for the marriage of ecclesiasticall persons directed vnto M. Iohn VVhiting. In which is demonstrated the marriages of bishops, priests &c. to want all warrant of Scriptures or antiquity: and the freedome for such marriages, so often in the sayd discourse vrged, mentioned, and challenged to be a meere fiction. Written at the request of an English Protestant, by C.E. a Catholike priest. Coffin, Edward, 1571-1626. 1619 (1619) STC 5475; ESTC S108444 239,667 398

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this confused Babylon of Protestants and Puritans and being reconciled to the Catholike Church haue freely out of their owne most happy experience confessed that now they found chastity to be very easy which whiles they were in heresy seemed impossible yea they could neuer thinke vpon their former frayltyes commited without great griefe compunction and teares 24. But for that moderne examples do lesse The conuersion of S. Augustin sheweth the gift of chastity to be only in the Church August l. 8. confess cap. 11. moue a willfull mind let M. Hall call to his remembrance the famous conuersion of S. Augustine from the Manichean heresy from which not without a strong and extraordinary calling he was recalled to imbrace the Catholike truth he shall find that one of the greatest motiues to keep him backe were the carnall pleasures in which whiles he was an heretike he had wallowed Retinebant me sayth he nugae nugarum vanitates vanitatum antiquae amicae meae succutiebant vestem carneam meam submurmurabant dimittis ne nos à momento isto non erimus tecum vltra in aeternum ' à momento isto non tibi licebit hoc illud in aeternum The toyes of toyes and vanityes of vanityes my old familiars kept my backe shaked my fleshly garment and whispered me in the eare saying dost thou now leaue vs and from this tyme shall it not be lawfull for euer for thee to do this and that Quas sordes suggerebant quae dedecora What filthy what dishonest things did they suggest And being in this bitter conflict the flesh drawing one way and the spirit another the Diuell desirous to deteyne him in errour and God determining to bring him to the truth his pleasures past alluring him to looke backe and future pennance affrighting him to go forward being in this trouble I say and wauering of mynd thus he describeth the successe of the combat 25. Aperiebatur ab ea parte qua intenderam saciem quo transire trepidabam casta dignitas continentiae c. Loco citat There appeared vnto me on that side where I did cast my eyes and was afrayd to go to wit in the Catholik Church the chast excellency of single life cheerfull and not wantonly pleasant vertuously alluring me to come vnto her not A description of chastity to doubt at all and she stretched forth her deuout hands full with the multitude of good examples of others to receaue and imbrace me in them were to be seene so many yong boyes and girles there store of others of youthfull yeares and elder age there graue widdowes and old virgins and chastity her selfe in all these was not barren but a plentifull mother of children the ioyes of thee o Lord who art her husband Prosopop●ia and she mocked me with a perswasiue scorne as if she had sayd Tu non poteris quod isti istae an verò isti istae in semetipsis tossunt ac non in Domino Deo suo Dominus Deus eorum me dedit eis c. Canst not thou do that these yong boyes and maydnes widdowes and old virgins do or can these do it of themselues and not in God their Lord their Lord God hath bestowed me vpon them why dost thou stand and not stand on thy selfe cast thy selfe on him and feare nothing he will not slip aside and let thee fall cast thy selfe securely vpon him he will receaue thee and he wil cure thee Thus S. Augustine in which wordes as he sheweth the proper place of chastity to be in the Church so withall doth he ouerthrow M. Halls impossibility confuted by the very examples of yong boyes and maydes of all sorts and sexes who in this sacred Arke this house and tabernacle of God do professe and obserue perpetuall chastity 26. And so far was S. Augustin from acknowledging any impossibility of a continent life in the Church of Christ albeit whiles he was a Manichean he thought it a thing impossible to liue chast that being himselfe now made a Catholike his owne experience without other argument demonstrated the contrary vnto him August l. ● Confess cap. 1. S. Augustin being made a member of the Catholike Church presently sound it an easy matter for to liue chast made him see the thing not only to be possible but most easy also and facile for thus he writeth of himselfe Quàm suaue mihi subitò sactum est carer● suauitatibus nugarum quas amittere metus suerat iam dimittere gaudium erat c. How sweet a thing did I find it on the sodain to want the sweetnes of former toyes and now it was a comfort to cast away that which before I was afrayd to loose Thou didst cast them out from me who art the true and supreme suauity thou didst cast them out and didst enter thy selfe for them more sweet then all pleasure but not to flesh bloud more cleere then all light but more close then any secret higher then all honour but not to such as are highly in their owne conceit now was my mind free from all by●ing cares of ambition of couetousnes of wallowing or scratching the itch of ulthy lusts So S. Augustine and heerby to end this whole matter M. Hall and his fellow Ministers may learne that in case this itch of lust or rather as S. Augustine calleth it scabiem libi●i●um do so violently possesse and driue them to this perswasion that it is a thing impossible to liue a continent life they must know the cause to be either for that the bru●ish spirit of heresy being fleshly and sensuall comporteth not this purity or els that chastity it self as neither charity can be separated from true fayth as the materiall cause from the formall that is the chastity of the body from the chastity of the soule Virginitas carnis sayth S. Augustine August in psal 147. corpus intactum virginitas cordis fides inco●rupta The virginity of the flesh is the body vntouched the virginity of the soule an vndefiled fayth and Prosper epig. c. 74. out of him S. Prosper Carnis virginitas intacto corpore habetur virginitas animae est intemerata fides and so it cannot be found in her entier perfection in terra suauiter viuentium but where pennance is preached and truth professed which is only in the Catholike and Roman Church to which S. Augustin when he left the Manichies did accrew I wish M. Hall so much happynes as to follow his worthy example and so much of this impossibility wherein for that I haue beene so long I will be shorter in the rest The fifth vntruth refuted 27. There remayneth yet one of the fiue vntruths mentioned in the beginning in which M. Hall if you remember leaueth vs to scan the rule in turpi voto muta decretum In a filthy vow Turpe votum A vow if it be true can neuer be filthy