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A09287 Rhemes against Rome: or, The remoouing of the gagg of the new Gospell, and rightly placing it in the mouthes of the Romists, by the Rhemists in their English translation of the Scriptures. Which counter-gagg is heere fitted by the industrious hand of Richard Bernard ... Bernard, Richard, 1568-1641. 1626 (1626) STC 1960; ESTC S101681 240,340 338

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praying to Angels answered 187. Saints pag. 189. Scriptures obiected 1. That Angels pray in particular for vs. p. 129. answered 2. That Saints departed know what is here done on earth p. 194. 3. That the Saints departed doe pray for vs particularly p. 179. 4. That we may pray to haue our petitions granted in fauour merits of the Saints departed p. 201. 26. That Confession commonly called Auricular or Sacramentall is of necessity p. 203. 27. That there is a place commonly called Purgatory into which soules after the dissolution of the body doe goe wherein as in a prison such as here haue not satisfied by temporall paine due for sinnes do make satisfaction in suffering hellish torment it is vncertaine how long p. 211. 28. That good workes do merit and are the cause of our saluation p. 231. Of free will and the strength thereof p. 245. 29. That mans will hath a naturall power in it selfe co-working with Gods grace in the very first instant act of a sinners Conuersion to which actiuity of the will such conuersion in part is to be attributed p. 247. 30. That some sinnes are in their owne nature veniall and doe not deserue eternall punishment p. 259. Of keeping Gods Commandements p. 269. 31. That a regenerate man by assistance of Gods grace is able to keepe all and euery Commandement of God in euery part at all times in thought word and deede perfectly as God in his Law requireth of him p. 270. Scriptures obiected for works of supererogation answered p. 279. Of Iustification by Faith only p. 284. 32. That a man is not iustified before God by faith onely p. 286. 33. That no true beleeuer particularly can in this life be certaine of his saluation without a miracle or extraordinary reuelation p. 293. That the faith of the Elect once had cannot be vtterly lost p. 310. Places of Scripture obiected that Iustifying faith once had may be lost a true beleeuer finally perish And therefore no certaine assurance of saluation The same places answered p. 317. CERTAINE POSITIONS CONCERNING THE RVLE OF FAITH as a Preface before the handling of the ensuing questions betweene vs and our Aduersaries the Papists I. Position There is one and but one onely rule of our Christian faith THis euen their owne Bible of Doway and Rhemes teacheth it doth not make mention of rules but speakes euer singularly as of one rule Rom. 12. 6. Gal. 6. 16. and of the same rule Phil. 3. 16. Seeing also that there is but one God one Lord one Spirit one body or Church one Faith one Hope one Baptisme Ephes 4. 4 5. 1. Cor. 12. 4 5 6. how can there be more then one Rule The ancient Fathers speake of no more then one as afterwards shall be shewed And reason may tell vs that a competent rule can be but only one to that whereof it is a rule the same also an entire and perfect rule and not partiall or a rule onely in part For if the rule be not one but two for one and the same thing then they must either agree and so are they but one entire or else they differ if so in any thing then cannot they be both rules for one and the same thing For then res regulata the thing ruled must differ from it selfe in being framed to the difference of the rules betweene themselues now the rules disagreeing what can accord them or what can they agreeingly measure when they are themselues at odds If any one say that the one may be a rule to the other then there should be a rule of a rule and so run in infinitum whereof there is no certain knowledge and so no sure rule for any thing If it be granted as needs it must that a rule is onely one and that there cannot be either two rules for one thing or a rule of a rule yet perhaps it will be said that one and the same rule may haue two parts whereof neither part is a perfit rule of it selfe but both together make a full rule But this cannot be For if it bee a rule in part then is it imperfect and needs a supply but an imperfit rule there is not be it neuer so short For suppose an inch or an halfe inch rule yet is it as true as full and as perfit a rule as truly measuring that to which it is laid as the rule of an ell long though it cannot measure so much at once Therefore say the learned that a rule is a ●av●●us Theo p●●lact in Phil. cap. 3. Phocius apud Occum●n in ● 〈◊〉 3. measure which doth not deceiue which admitteth neither of addition or detraction neither of putting to nor taking from For put any thing saith another to a rule or take from it the rule is corrupted and is denied indeed to be a rule As for the parts of the same rule if any such were these parts must agree in euery thing and if they doe so then is either part the other fully and so the one of them sufficient and the other superfluous or if they agree not how can they be one rule for the same thing which of them can giue the euen measure Neither of them indeede by reason of their disagreement The deuice therefore of a rule in part is absurd and vnreasonable A piece of a rule is not a rule and a rule if it be at all a rule must be one and the same euer infallible in it selfe which if the ignorant doe handle vntowardly the fault is in the men and not in the measure II. Position This one Rule of our faith is onely Gods Word 1. FOr by the Word of God commeth faith Rom. 10. 14. in that respect it is called the Word of faith which the Apostles preached Rom. 10. 8. Now without the Word of God no faith no pleasing of God Heb. 11. 6. and so no true Religion therefore must it needs be the ground and rule thereof and ●i 3. ca. 10. de Verbo Dei Bellarmine saith that the Word of God is the first foundation of our faith 2. We are commanded of God to doe as he commandeth Deut. 5. 32 33. and 12. 32. Numb 15. 39 40. Ezech. 20. 19. Iosh 1. 7. Prou. 4. 2. and that we may know how strictly we are tyed to this Word wee are charged not to adde to it Deut. 12. 32. and 28. 14. nor to take from it Deut. 4. 2. Iosh 1. 7 Reuel 22. 18. lest that God reprooue vs and we be found liers Prou. 3. 6. neither are we to turne aside from it either to the right hand or to the left Deut. 5. 32. and when at any time we are in danger of turning aside this must bee our director to preserue vs from erring Isai 30. 31. 3. God from heauen hath said of Iesus Christ his Sonne This is my beloued Sonne in whom I am well pleased heare him Matth. 17 5. binding vs to his Word which is
20. Because saith hee wee are redeemed by the grace of the Creator wee haue this heauenly gift bestowed vpon vs that when we leaue our fleshly habitation incontinently we are carried to our heauenly rewards Can any thing bee spoken more cleerely against going into Purgatorie See Bishop Vsher his last Booke in the controuersie touching Purgatorie and also D. White his last booke pag. 567. citing many Papists touching the inualiditie of the Popes power ouer soules in Purgatorie Scriptures obiected answered 1. Cor. 3. 15. If any mans worke shall bee burnt hee shall suffer losse but himselfe shall be saued yet so as by fire Answ 1. Albeit the foolish Gagger doth say that this is an expresse Scripture to proue Purgatorie yet Bellarmine saith Lib. 1. de Purg. cap. 5. that this is one of the most difficult places of the whole Scripture Therefore it will not easily satisfie a doubtfull minde in this controuerted point Secondly this place is interpreted in the seuerall words very See Morneus on the Masse all their opinions cited Lib. 3. cap. 6. p. 257 261. diuersly by the Ancients and so variously as Bellarmine is forced by reason of the incongruities thereof to leaue and forsake them all and to run his owne course as wide as any of the rest and differing from his fellowes Thomas Alcuinus Hugo Cardinalis and other Thirdly Erasmus in his Commentarie saith that this place affordeth not any thing for Purgatorie or veniall sinnes This his opinion is not suffered to see light but is blotted out See Index Expurgatorius which is made the true Purgatorie for Erasmus and others that dare to doubt of the false Purgatorie Fourthly the words are all Allegoricall Now Symbolicall places proue not Articles of Faith And therein it is absurd to take any of the words properly in continued metaphors and wholly Allegoricall Fiftly this text speaketh of burning of a mans worke but not of burning a soule But in Purgatorie they say the soule is burning and not his worke workes goe not into Purgatorie but here workes both good and bad are tryed by this fire Sixtly this speaketh of the worke of Teachers building vpon the foundation either Gold Siluer or precious Stones or Wood Hay and Stubble By the former must bee vnderstood either sound Doctrine or sound-hearted Beleeuers wonne to Christ by their teaching and then by the latter must be meant errours and vnsound Doctrine or hollow-hearted Christians which in time of fierie tryall fall away Take then either way this is nothing for veniall sinnes or bringing soules to a purgation Accordingly in the thirteenth verse the fire is a reuealing and trying fire to manifest the difference of mens workes in the execution of their Ministerie What is this to the purging and tormenting fire as a satisfactorie punishment for sinne Purgatorie fire is a materiall fire say they but a materiall fire cannot try Doctrines truth from falshood sound from vnwholesome teaching Seuenthly the word fire in verse 15. cannot be taken for materiall fire or Purgatorie fire First because the continued metaphors in the whole context admits not of such a proper and literall interpretation Secondly the word of similitude is against it For it is not said by fire but as by fire so it is not meant fire properly but by some likenesse a metaphoricall fire not a materiall fire Thirdly Estius one of their owne learned men saith That the word fire three times mentioned in verse 13 and 15 is the same in euery place and calleth the interpretation absurd which puts a difference in them Which being true the former fire in verse 13. not being meant of Purgatorie by Bellarmines grant this latter cannot but absurdly be so interpreted And so in conclusion no Purgatorie fire at all This fire is spirituall such a fire as can try Doctrines and can reueale them and can saue the builder though it consume his worke which fire is Gods Word Ier. 23. 29. and 20. 9. and Gods holy Spirit Mar. 9. 49. Mat. 3. 11. This word by the operation of this Spirit vpon the conscience of an erroneous builder when by the light of truth hee seeth his worke vaine and naught worketh as fire in him to make him confesse his errour and to labour to teach the truth and thus is he saued as by fire the word being in him as fire as it was in Ieremie especially in time of trouble and day of tryall for his Doctrine Ioh. 11. 22. But I know that euen now whatsoeuer thou wilt aske of God God will giue it thee Cardinall Allen saith the Gagger hath hence learnedly concluded that Martha had beene taught and beleeued that the dead might be holpen by the pietie of the liuing Answ 1. How learnedly the Cardinal could conclude hence Purgatorie or the Gagger to helpe him I leaue to learned men to iudge and withal whether they haue not exposed themselues to folly who hence would collect such a thing Secondly touching the Iewish Church and her Doctrine how Purgatorie was vnknowne to her and the Church of Israel vnder the Law let the Reader peruse Mornay of the Masse his third booke and sixt Chapter Thirdly the speech is to Christ and of her full assurance of the efficacie of his prayer vnto God euen to raise vp Lazarus from the dead as appeareth by the scope of her speech What is this to helpe soules in Purgatorie Act. 2. 24. Whom God hath raised vp loosing the sorrowes of Hell This cleerely makes for Purgatorie saith the wise Gagger for here he and the Rhemists wil haue Christ loose others from their paines Answ 1. This speakes of Christs rising from the dead by the power of God Secondly of Gods raising him vp and loosing him from the sorrowes of Hell and not of Christs freeing others from torment Thirdly here is no mention of Purgatorie but of Hell And is Hell and Purgatorie now one place I feare mee they will finde it so that hee which goeth to Purgatorie goeth to Hell Fourthly the word Hell is here taken properly or figuratiuely If properly for hell it selfe the place of the damned then it is nothing for their Purgatorie for from hell is no redemption Luk. 16. 26. If figuratiuely then it speakes not of any reall Purgatorie place and so neither way serues their turne Fiftly if they will haue the place to bee for Purgatorie then is there no cause now to feare it for therein is now no more paines For it is not said that hee loosed the soules out of it but the sorrowes thereof and tooke them away What maketh this for Purgatorie Sixtly the word in the most current originals is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 though the old vulgar reade 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and the first signifieth not Hell but Death so it is thus to be read loosing the sorrowes of death as we truely translate 1. Cor. 15. 29. Otherwise what shall they doe that are baptized for the dead An euident proofe saith the Gagger