to secret practises of deceit or naughtines Wheras notwithstanding those souls that are good do use them wel as blood to be valiant and cheerful in goodnes fleam to moderate their affections with sobrietie choler to be earnest in the glorie of God and melancholie to studie and contemplation Which point notwithstanding might easily be pardoned to philosophers that hold many things els as wrong as it but that this one point of error with them is the cause of some others besides in weightie matter For out of this have som of our Divines taken their opinion that the fountain of sin is originally in the bodie and from it derived to the soul and were the rather induced to think that the blessed Virgin was hir self also conceived without sin for that otherwise they did not so plainly see how Christ taking flesh of hir should have the same in himselfe without stein of sin And of thēselves there be that have dowted of the immortalitie of the soul for that supposing the soul to hang upon the temperature of the bodie they did not see how it could be immortal when as the temperature and bodie it selfe are known to be mortal 2. Tim. 4. Prou. 26. Prou. 20. Prou. 24. Mat. 11. 1. Ioh. 5. Iohn 8. Rom. 7. Rom. 8. Ps. 26.27 Psal. 22. 1. Ioh. 5. An obiection answered Psal. 118. 1 We draw with Christ. * * The regenerate have an indevor framed in them by grace but otherwise the natural children of Adam have none such of thēselves but only to evil Mat. 11. 2 Love maketh the way pleasant The force of love Ser. 9. de verbis Domini The love of Christ to his saints and of his saints to him Euseb. li. 6. cap. 34. Ierom in catalogo Psa. 6. 18. Matt. 11. 1. Iohn 5. Tract 26. in Iohan. Iohn 14. Mark this observation * * But a little before he useth the plural number in that case also viz. Ioh. 14.15 Rom. 13. 1. Ioh. 5. 3 Peculiar light of understanding Prou. 9. Psal. 16. Psa. 118. Psal. 50. Iohn 1. 1. Ioh. 2. Ier. 31. Esai 54. Psa. 118. 1. Cor. 2. 1. Cor. 2. Esai 65. Sap. 5. 4 Internal consolation Apoc. 2. Psal. 30. Psal. 67. Osee. 2. Ps. 35. 64. Mat. 17. Mark 9. Luc. 9. Psal. 35. Esai 29. A similitude Apoc. 3. Psa. 117. 2. Cor. 7. The way to come to spiritual consolation Psal. 67. Cant. 1. Esai 66. 1. Reg. 5. Ioh. 8.14.15.16 1. Ioh. 2. Exo. 16. Exod. 2. Luc. 15. Beginners cheefly cherished with spiritual consolation Exo. 13. Mat. 11. 5 The quiet of conscience 2. Cor. 1. Pro. 15. Gen. 4. 1. Mac. 6. Matt. 27. Acts. 1. Mark 9. Sap. 7. Iob. 15. The trouble of an evil conscience Hom. 8. ad Pop. Antiocheman Prou. 28. Prou. 28. 6 The hope of vertous men Iacob 1. Rom. 5. Heb. 6. Eph. 6. 1. The. 1. Psal. 55. Iob. 13. Psal. 1. Pro. 10. Pro. 11. Iob. 11. Iere. 17. Esai 28. Sap. 5. Isai. 30. and 36. Ier. 17 48. Pro. 10 Iob. 8. Matt. 7. Wicked men cannot hope in God Iaco. 2. Matt. 7. 1. Co. 13. and 15. Rom. 1. Gal. 3. Eph. 2. 1. Ioh. 3. 1. Tim. 1. Saint Austen lib. de doct Chr. cap. 37. Saint Austen in prefat Psa. 31. 7 Libertie of the soul. Iohn 8. 2. Cor. 3. An example to expresse the bondage of wicked men to their sensualitie The miserie of a man ruled by sensualitie 2. Re. 11. Iud. 14. 3. Re. 11. An ambitious man A covetous man Iohn 8. Rom. 6. 2. Pet. 2. Eze. 34. Psal. 90. Rom. 6. Peace of mind Psal. 75. 〈…〉 Esa. 48.57 Psal. 13. Rom. 11. Esai 57. Iaco. 3. Two causes of disquietnes in wicked men Pro. 30. Gen. 11. Psal. 54. Phil. 4. Io. 14.17 Mat. 10. Expectation of reward An example Gen. 40.41.43 Pro. 12. a a Mat. 11. * * The soūdlier that the Gospel is any where received the mo examples of sound conuersion are there to be found and yet on the other side it is not to be denied but that a kind of remorse and sorrowing especially for the external or grosser offences is oft to be found not only amōg counterfet Christians but among the heathē also Psa. 106. Gosr. in vita Bern. Lib. ep 1. Lib. 6. conf cap. 12. Lib. 8. conf Psal. 34. Psa. 115. Resistance at the beginning Cyp. li. 1. ca. 1 Aug. lib. 1. doct c. 23. Greg. l. Mor. 4. c. 24. li. 30. cap. 18. Bar. in ps 90 Cir. li. de ora Or. hom 3. in Ex. Leu. 11. Iosue Hi. in ps 118 Eccl. 2. Mark 9. Gen. 31. * * He was very greevous unto him before but he did not follow after him in hostile maner til he departed from him Exod. 5. The conversion of S. Aust. * * Yet some points of the storie at large are such as that a man may aswel dowt the readines of satan to illude deceive as behold to our cōfort the goodnes of God in his conversion Lib. 8. confes cap. 1. 2. * * This kind of monastical or private life was very ancient such as the time and estate of the church required then but that which after in place therof sprang up among us was of later time and being at the first far unlike to the other the longer it stood did notwithstanding stil degenerate more more til at the length it grew intollerable Cap. 7. Cap. 8. Mark this gentle reader Cap. 10. Lib. 8. c. 12. S. Austens final conversion by a voice from heaven S. Anthonies conversion Athanasius in vita Anthonij Mat. 19. * * In such things as are peculiar or proper to som as this was there can be no general rule drawn unto others that can stand by undowted warrant without some special calling besides and so may it wel be dowted whether S. Anthonie had on that place sufficient ground-work of those his doings unlesse he had som special motion besides It was otherwise with Saint Augustine whose conversion was not but to such things as we are al bounden unto and upon such a place as speaketh to al. Rom. 13. Rom. 14. Hir name was Monica a very holy woman as he sheweth li. 9. ca. 9.10.11.12.13 * * Which was but a more careful endevor in the way of godlines such as was not used of the common sort And so is this example of his no patronage to any of our latter monasteries or rules that were laden with loosenes and superstition which notwithstanding som would gladly defend by this rule of his Lib. 9. c. 1. Annotations upon this conversion Those that are to be best men have greatest conflict in their conversion Acts. 9. Lib. 6. c. 6. 15. Lib. 9. c. 6. * * When the people of God did sing their psalms of thanksgiving and praises to God S. Austens diligence in trieng out his vocation Apoc. 3. Lib. 9. c. 2. Violence to be used at the beginning of our conversion Barn in verba evangelij Ecce
the tormentors togither with the most lothsom filthines of the place which is otherwise described in the scriptures by the names of adders snakes cocatrices scorpions and other venemous creatures as shal be afterwards declared 10 Having declared the names of this place and therby also in som part the nature it remaineth now that we consider what maner of pains men suffer there For declaration wherof we must note that as heaven and hel are contrarie assigned to contrarie persons for contrarie causes so have they in al respects contrarie properties conditions and effects in such sort as whatsoever is spoken of the felicitie of the one may serve to infer the contrarie of the other As when Saint Paul saith that No eie hath seene nor eare heard nor hart conceived the ioies that God hath prepared for them that shal be saved We may infer that the pains of the damned must be as great Again when the scripture saith that the felicitie of them in heaven is a perfect felicitie containing Omne bonum Al goodnes So that no one kind of pleasure can be imagined which they have not we must think on the contrarie part that the miserie of the damned must be also a perfect miserie containing al afflictions that may be without wanting any So that as the happines of the good is infinite and universal so also is the calamitie of the wicked infinite and universal Now in this life al the miseries pains which fal upon man are but particular and not universal As for example we see one man pained in his eies another in his bak which particular pains notwithstanding somtimes are so extreme as life is not able to resist them and a man would not suffer them long for the gaining of many worlds togither But suppose now a man were tormented in al the parts of his bodie at once as in his head his eies his toong his teeth his throte his stomak his bellie his back his hart his sides his thighs and in al the joints of his bodie besides suppose I say he were most cruelly tormented with extreme pains in al these parts togither without ease or intermission what thing could be more miserable than this What sight more lamentable If thou shuldest see a dogly in the street so afflicted I know thou couldest not but take compassion upon him Wel then consider what difference there is between abiding these pains for a week or for al eternities in suffering them upon a soft bed or upon a burning grediron and boiling fornace among a mans frinds comforting him or among the furies of hel whipping and tormenting him Consider this I say gentle reader and if thou wouldest take a great deal of labour rather than abide the one in this life be content to sustain a little pain rather than to incur the other in the life to come 11 But to consider these things yet further not onlie al these parts of the body which have been instruments to sin shal be tormented togither but also every sense both external internal for the same cause shal be afflicted with his particular torment contrarie to the object wherin it delited most took pleasure in this world As if for example the lascivious eies were afflicted with the uglie fearful sight of devils the delicate eares with the horrible noise of damned spirits the nise smel with poisoned stench of brimstone other unsupportable filth the daintie taste with most ravenous hunger and thirst al the sensible parts of the bodie with burning fire Again the imagination shal be tormented with the apprehension of pains present and to come the memorie with the remembrance of pleasures past the understanding with consideration of the felicitie lost and the miserie now come on O poore Christian what wilt thou do amidst the multitude of so greevous calamities 12 It is a woonderful matter and able as one father saith to make a reasonable man go out of his wits to consider what God hath revealed unto us in the scriptures of the dredful circumstances of this punishment and yet to see how little the rechlesse men of the world do fear it For first touching the universalitie varietie and greatnes of the pain not only the reasons before alleaged but also divers other considerations in the scriptures do declare As where it is said of the damned Cruciabuntur die nocte They shal be tormented day and night And again Date illi tormentum Give hir torment speaking of Babylon in hel by which is signified that the pains in hel are exercised not for chastisement but for torment of the parties And torments commonly we see in this world to be as great and as extreme as the wit of a man can reach to devise Imagin then when God shal lay his head to devise torments as he hath done in hel what maner of torments wil they be 13 If creating an element here for our comfort I mean the fire he could create the same so terrible as it is in such sort as a man would not hold his onlie hand in it one day for to gain a kingdom what a fire think you hath he provided for hel which is not created for comfort but onlie for torment of the parties Our fire hath many differences from that therfore is truly said of the holie fathers to be but a painted and fained fire in respect of that For our fire was made to comfort as I have said and that to torment Our fire hath need to be fed continuallie with wood or else it goeth out that burneth continuallie without feeding Ours giveth light that giveth none Ours is out of his natural place and therfore shifteth to ascend and to get from us as we see but that is in the natural place where it was created therfore it abideth there perpetually Ours consumeth the matter laid in it and so quiklie dispatcheth the pain that tormenteth but consumeth not to the end the pain may be everlasting Our fire is extinguished with water and greatlie abated by the coldnes of the aire about it that hath no such abatement or qualification Finallie what a strange and incredible kind of fire that is appeereth by these words of our savior so often repeated There shal be weeping and gnashing of teeth Weeping is to be referred to the effect of extreme burning in that fire for that the torment of scalding and burning inforceth teares sooner than any other torment as appeereth in them which upon the sudden do put an hot thing into their mouth or scald any other part of their bodie And gnashing of teeth or chattering at least as everie man knoweth proceedeth of great and extreme cold Imagin then what a fire this is which hath such extreme effects both of heat and cold O mightie Lord what a strange God art thou How woonderful and terrible in al thy works and inventions How bountiful art thou to those
and were not readie jump at the very hour to go in with him and would not know them when they came after and finally he promiseth to damn al those without exception which shal work iniquitie as S. Mathew testifieth 7 Moreover being asked by a certain ruler on a time how he might be saved he would geeve him no other hope so long as he sought salvation by his works though he were a prince but only this If thou wilt enter into life keepe the commandements of God And talking with his disciples at another time of the same matter he geeveth them no other rule of their life but this If ye love me keepe my commandements As who should say if you were never so much my disciples if ye break my commandements there is no more love nor frindship betwixt us And S. Iohn which best of al others knew his meaning herein expoundeth it in this sense when he saith If a man saith he knoweth God and yet keepeth not his commandements he is a liar and the truth is not in him And more yet to take away al hope or expectation from his disciples of any other way pleasing him than by keeping his commandements he saith in another place that He came not to take away the law but to fulfill it and streight way he inferreth upon the same Whosoever therfore shal break one of the least of these commandements shal be called the least in the kingdom of heaven For which cause at his departure out of the world the verie last words that he spake to his Apostles were these that They should teach men to observe al his commandements whatsoever 8 By which appeereth the severe meaning that Christ had touching our account for the keeping of his commandements in this life The which also may be gathered by that being asked whether the number were smal of them that should be saved he counseleth men to strive to go into the strait gate for that many should be shut out yea even of them which had eaten and drunken with him and had enjoied the corporal presence of his blessed bodie but had not regarded to live as he commanded them In which case he signifieth that no respect or frindship must take place with him at the last day for which cause he said to the man whom he had healed at the fish pools side in Ierusalem Behold now thou art hole see thou sin no more least worse come to thee than before And generally he warneth vs in Saint Mathews gospel that we agree with our adversaries and make our accounts streight in this life otherwise we shal pay the uttermost farthing in the life to come And yet more severely he saith in another place That we shal render account at the day of iudgment for every idle word which we have spoken 9 Which day of judgement he warneth us of before and foretelleth the rigor and danger in sundrie places of holie scripture to the end we should prevent the same and so direct our lives while we have time in this world as we may present our selves at that day without fear and danger or rather with great joy and comfort when so manie thousands of wicked people shal appeer there to their eternal confusion 10 And bicause there is nothing which so fitly sheweth the severitie of Christ in taking our account at the last day as the order and maner of this judgement described most diligently by the holy scripture it selfe it shal make much for our purpose to consider the same And first of al it is to be noted that there be two judgements appointed after death wherof the one is called particular wherby ech man presently upon his departure from this world receaveth particular sentence either of punishment or of glorie according to his deeds in this life as Christs own words are wherof we have examples in Lazarus and the rich glutton who were presently caried the one to pain the other to rest as Saint Luke testifieth And to dowt of this were obstinacie as Saint Austen affirmeth The other judgment is called general for that it shal be of al men togither in the end of the world where shal a final sentence be pronounced either of reward or punishment upon al men that ever lived according to the works which they have done good or bad in this life and afterward never more question be made of altering their estate that is of easing the pain of the one or ending the glorie of the other 11 Now as touching the first of these two judgements albeit the holy ancient fathers especiallie Saint Austen do gather and consider divers particulars of great severitie and feare as the passage of our soul from the body to the tribunal seat of God under the custody both of good and evil angels the fear she hath of them the sodain strangenes of the place where she is the terror of Gods presence the strait examination she must abide and the like yet for that the most of these things are to be considered also in the second judgement which is general I wil passe over to the same noting only certain reasons yeelded by the holy fathers why God after the first judgement wherin he had assigned to ech man according to his deserts in particular would appoint moreover this second general judgment Wherof the first is for that the body of man rising from his sepulchre might be partaker of the eternal punishment or glorie of the soul even as it hath beene partaker with the same either in vertue or vice in this life The second is that as Christ was dishonored and put to confusion here in the world publikly so much more he might shew his majestie and power at that day in the sight of al creatures and especially of his enimies The third is that both the wicked and good might receave their reward openly to more confusion hart greefe of the one and to the greater joy and triumph of the other who commonly in this world have been overborn by the wicked The fourth is for that evil men when they die do not commonly carie with them al their demerit and evil for that they leave behind them either their evil example or their children and familiars corrupted by them or els books and means which may in time corrupt others Al which being not yet done but comming to passe after their death they cannot so conveniently receave their judgement for the same presently but as the evil falleth out so their pains are to be increased The like may be said of the good So that for examples sake Saint Pauls glorie is increased daily and shal be unto the worlds end by reason of them that daily profit by his writings and example and the pains of the wicked are for the like reason daily augmented But at the last day of judgment shal be an end
so much as he Those with whom they have held hands so long togither are either the bishop of Rome or his frinds abroad for their advantage or else of their own countrimen at home that are grown to so great misliking of the praesent state If it be the bishop and his adhaerents it is but for their own advantage that they conceive that opinion of them so to make up their losses again by the help of them when opportunitie should serve them unto it And the more that their aestimation savoreth of it the more quietly may they be able to beare the losse therof If they be of our discontented countrimen at home the losse also is so much the lesse for that none such wil not mislike of them but so far as themselves are infected with the inchanted cup of forrain power and then the more they are infected therwith the lesse woorth is the best aestimation they are able to give Again whatsoever aestimation is lost either with forrain power abroad or with hollow harts at home the same wil be much more requited with the gratious favor of their natural princes and with the tru hart of faithful subjects and that so much the more in abundance of recompense as it is of greater price or valu to be wel thought on by natural princes and faithful subjects than of forren usurpers and close aides whersoever 10 The hardnes that they account themselves to be put unto to the utter aliening of their minds from us and our profession resteth especially in these two points first that divers of them are streightly handled then that certain points of their religion as they term it are now made treason They accoūt themselves to be streightly handled both in the fining of recusants and that certain of that profession are put to death Concerning both which they would not denie but that the punishment were moderate inough both in the one in the other if either they could finde that they were so heinous offenders as we do conceive and charge them to be or else but remember what dealings themselves have used to us and yet do upon lesse occasion As touching the former they wil not denie but that princes have authoritie by the word of God both to fine and to put to death as need requireth They know that such as worship any strange God or but intise others therto or stubbornly despise the word of God are by the sentence of Gods own mouth accounted woorthie to die the death and though it may be themselves do not see that by aequitie therof they are in the danger of his justice for those yet we are out of dowt that they are and but that we do alreadie know that the blindnes of man is very great we could not but woonder that they do not see it Nevertheles such is the mildnes of hir majestie and such is the peaceablenes of these dais of the Gospel so cold are we the most of us al on behalfe of the glorie God that none are executed for any of those though the selfe-same laws that they used against us be forcible against them and if need were might soone be inlarged So notwithstanding that which is done of that kinde we think there might be done much more than there is and yet that no bodie had any just cause to finde fault therwith That certain points of their religion are now made treason that so they cannot suffer as in cause of religion but of high treason it ought not to be so greevous unto them if they consider wel either the very nature of those points that are made treason or but the maner of our proceeding therin For some points of their profession are of the nature as that they are rank treason indeed to al the states that are in the world that have they proper unto themselves of al the religions that are professed on the face of the earth And this treason of theirs that we speak of resteth especially in these two points that the bishop of Rome hath power to depose the princes and potentates of the earth and to place in their roomes whomsoever he wil and that subjects ought not to remain in alleageance to any whom he deposeth but to put on armor against them Which we take to be as rank a treason as wicked an haeresie and as open a way to al confusion as any that ever was heard of before Neither doth it help them any thing if he were indeed as they would have it the vicar general of Christ on the earth for that therby he might do no more keeping within the bounds of his master but only lay their sin to their charge utterly exclude them from hope of salvation princes if they governed il and subjects likewise if they went with their princes against their obedience and dutie to God But as for deposing the one or loosing the other from their alleageance in those points we are sure that they are not only misliked of us but of many others besides that other wais are wel willers of theirs In the maner of proceeding that in this point is used against them there are two points likewise to be noted For first as touching the law it selfe it is in effect but certain ancient statutes that were made long since revived again and not sought unto til that by many naughtie practises and some rebellions open forces and slaughters contrived we were of necessitie rather constrained than easilie induced to take that order and that for the praeservation of the whole both in religion and civile tranquillitie Then also it is very wel known that although they have been never so faultie therin and so have justly deserved to die yet if they can be sorrie for their practising and utterly renounce and abandon the same they stand not in such danger of death by their former demerits as in the hope and way of life by their new repentance if it appeer to be unfeined as wel as their guiltines sufficiently prooved The dealings that they use towards us is first the rigor that they put us unto when time did serve them and yet do where they are able in that they raised up persecution against us in the cause of religion then also their disloial and unnatural practises now to recover their former usurpation again In that persecution of theirs against us we think they then delt and yet do over-hardly with us for that the cause being no greater than it was yet notwithstanding their punishment was exceeding greevous The cause we think was not so great for that cōmonly they persecuted us for nothing else but either for some tradition of their own or else for some thing that went against the earthly estate of the church of Rome either in the commoditie that they supposed to be du unto it or in the superioritie that they had obtained Howbeit neither of these being better cōsidered wil be as we
stand Although therfore that in their own opinion their church hath had a special foundation and although it hath had indeed such successe since as themselves do stil imagin yet notwithstanding when they point us unto the church and undertake to shew us undowted tokens therof then we allow not that they should think to put us over onlie to this and shew us no better tokens than these We do not denie them to be of the church but we allow not the bounds of the church to be so taken in nor these things to stand for sufficient proofe that any such praeeminence belongeth to them 15 The other point that seemeth to yeeld some part of the groundwork of that persuasion is for bicause that they do conceive that to be a departure from the church which is none indeed after that once the truth is tried Concerning which matter it shal be good to consider these two things how this kind of persuasion doth grow and what inconvenience this one point of mistaking doth breed in the end This persuasion groweth most of al by the means of our adversaries then also by some of our selves too Those adversaries of ours by whom it commeth are lightly the most cunning and most learned of them who seeing themselves to have some advantage if they can win us to acknowledge or others to beleeve that we are simplie or in al things departed from them and make another peculiar church of our selves earnestly labor even at the first to obtain that advantage Hence commeth it that both they do so busily urge that point and would have neither us nor others to make at al any quaestion of it and so readily apply to that sense whatsoever they finde in our writings that doth import a division betwixt us Those on our part by whom it commeth are most of al those that are most zealous who being much mooved with the manifest corruption that the adversarie part maintaineth and with their unreasonable thirst of innocent blood in the quarrel of religion are by that occasion carried so far somtime that they do not ever speak and write in so sensed maner but that when they acknowledge that division that indeed is and ought to be betwixt them and us so long as they stand in such sort as they do they may seem to acknowledge that we are altogither divided that we are a distinct visible church from them and they but a synagog in no sense appertaining to the visible church Wheras notwithstanding by the whole course of al our writings it is cleer again that we do not sunder our selves from them nor them from us but only in those points that are in controversie betwixt us and for the rest agree togither and acknowledge likewise that in those we are one But bicause that whensoever we speak of the division that is betwixt us we do not therwithal shew how far we agree therupon it seemeth to them that we can easily be content to be altogither abandoned from them and to have no societie at al with such a people So commeth it to passe that as they upon the advantage disclame in us and bear us in hand that both they and we cannot be the members of any one and the selfesame church as indeed in some sense we cannot and in that sense is by us acknowledged so we likewise seem unto divers to be in that point of the selfesame mind with them and as fully to disclame in them as they do in us and as absolutely to hold that both sorts of us cannot in any sense or construction be members of one and the selfesame bodie especially of that which is ancient and tru and the catholik or apostolik church as notwithstanding we are generally The inconvenience that this mistaking dooth breed in the end is very great and hurtful to the cause of religion but some branches therof there be which are common to both parties and some that are proper to either Common to both are these two the inward hart burning and greefe of mind that is betwixt us one towards another and bitter contentions insuing theron whensoever occasion is offered And touching the former we need go no further than to appeal every one to his own conscience For there shal we finde both that we have an inward greefe one towards another and that we think we may and ought maintain the same in the cause of religion that we have in hand Our contentions are so apparant and known unto al that al Christendome is witnes of them Which also are for the most part so bitterly handled as if in religion we were utterly sundered one from another and had no point of faith at al that were common betwixt us to the increase of variance among our selves and to the great hinderance of many of those that are without and otherwise might be woon to the Christian faith Proper unto our adversaries it is that if it do fal out in the end as I trust it wil anon appeer that there was no such cause in us as deserved so to be abandoned from the church of God then abideth an heavie judgement for them that have been so bold as to set down that we are not of the church of Christ and therwithal for to power forth whatsoever curses they had against us And no marvel if they stand in such danger in the judgements of God when as being so they sin very greevously both against God and against their neighbor Against God for that they fight against his truth and abuse the place of justice that he hath given them against their neighbor for that so they discourage and terrifie many of the weak ones that are among us and among themselves are the only cause that many of the simpler sort that belong unto them are persuaded that we are none of the church and behave themselves accordingly towards us Then also if it should be so as we hope it wil appeer that we have a better title to be of the church than they thēselves have then would their subtiltie and fearcenes return to them again and conclude upon themselves that if we do not belong to the church much lesse do they Proper unto us are two others likewise if we at any time suffer them to make such an absolute division betwixt us For so commeth it to passe first that by consenting so far with them in this error we also must stand chargeable before God for whatsoever il fruits do spring of the same ratably at the least so far as the proportion of our fault requireth Then also we bring our selves to needles trouble for that it is great probabilitie with them that so we make our selves answerable for to finde out a distinct a several church from them from which we descend which hath continued frō the Apostles age to this praesent else that needs we must acknowledge that our church is sprong up of late or at least since theirs