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with_o child_n and_o the_o child_n abortive_o come_v forth_o not_o shape_v he_o shall_v be_v mulct_v but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d if_o the_o child_n shall_v be_v full_o shape_v than_o thou_o shall_v pay_v life_n for_o life_n whereupon_o be_v infer_v by_o this_o greek_a version_n that_o during_o the_o time_n of_o the_o embryo_n there_o be_v no_o soul_n in_o it_o and_o therefore_o if_o it_o perish_v by_o the_o stroke_n &_o the_o woman_n escape_v the_o punishment_n must_v be_v but_o pecuniary_a because_o no_o murder_n because_o of_o no_o man_n because_o the_o soul_n be_v not_o in_o it_o but_o if_o the_o child_n prove_v abortive_a and_o come_v out_o full_o shape_v both_o must_v die_v because_o then_o the_o body_n be_v animate_v and_o therefore_o it_o be_v murder_n so_o that_o the_o soul_n be_v not_o propagate_v with_o the_o seed_n for_o then_o the_o soul_n shall_v successive_o grow_v to_o perfection_n with_o the_o body_n and_o then_o there_o can_v be_v thus_o no_o abortive_a 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second_o authority_n in_o scripture_n may_v be_v zach._n twelve_o 1._o the_o burden_n of_o the_o word_n of_o the_o lord_n for_o israel_n say_v the_o lord_n which_o stretch_v forth_o the_o heaven_n and_o lay_v the_o foundation_n of_o the_o earth_n and_o frame_v the_o spirit_n of_o man_n within_o he_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o interiori_fw-la ejus_fw-la as_o montanus_n render_v it_o in_o medio_fw-la as_o pagnine_a this_o place_n seem_v not_o only_o to_o conclude_v the_o peculiar_a production_n of_o the_o soul_n by_o god_n but_o the_o time_n also_o especial_o the_o manner_n in_o the_o body_n nay_o in_o the_o heart_n likely_a which_o be_v as_o they_o say_v primum_fw-la vivens_fw-la ultimum_fw-la moriens_fw-la isa_n lvii_o 16._o for_o i_o will_v not_o contend_v for_o ever_o neither_o will_v i_o be_v always_o wroth_a for_o the_o spirit_n shall_v fail_v before_o i_o and_o the_o soul_n which_o i_o have_v make_v in_o this_o sacred_a testimony_n i_o conceive_v two_o objection_n exclude_v that_o it_o may_v be_v understand_v of_o the_o soul_n of_o our_o first_o parent_n this_o may_v be_v the_o first_o but_o than_o it_o be_v to_o be_v answer_v dicit_fw-la pluraliter_fw-la he_o speak_v in_o general_a soul_n and_o he_o speak_v as_o de_fw-la futuro_fw-la i_o will_v not_o contend_v for_o ever_o i_o will_v not_o be_v always_o wroth_a second_o it_o may_v be_v object_v that_o god_n may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v the_o author_n of_o our_o soul_n and_o to_o make_v our_o soul_n although_o our_o parent_n do_v conduce_v as_o god_n be_v say_v to_o be_v the_o author_n of_o our_o body_n it_o may_v be_v answeree_v that_o god_n speak_v here_o of_o the_o make_n of_o the_o soul_n signanter_n in_o way_n of_o especial_a appropriation_n which_o i_o have_v make_v i_o have_v make_v they_o eccles_n twelve_o 7._o then_o shall_v the_o dust_n return_n to_o the_o earth_n as_o it_o be_v and_o the_o spirit_n shall_v return_v
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father_n of_o our_o flesh_n and_o father_n of_o our_o spirit_n father_n of_o our_o flesh_n subefficient_o unto_o god_n father_n of_o our_o spirit_n absolute_o immediate_o and_o father_n of_o our_o spirit_n must_v be_v understand_v in_o respect_n of_o production_n not_o regeneration_n that_o the_o opposition_n may_v be_v strict_o ad_fw-la idem_fw-la if_o as_o before_o you_o say_v that_o he_o be_v father_n of_o our_o spirit_n by_o our_o parent_n so_o he_o be_v also_o of_o our_o flesh_n as_o before_o memorabilis_fw-la locus_fw-la ad_fw-la quaestionem_fw-la as_o paraeus_n break_v out_o upon_o this_o place_n this_o be_v a_o pertinent_a text_n for_o the_o decide_n of_o the_o question_n betwixt_o augustine_n and_o hierome_n concern_v the_o beginning_n and_o efficiency_n of_o the_o soul_n hierome_n can_v not_o produce_v a_o more_o pregnant_a testimony_n for_o the_o determine_n of_o augustine_n unto_o his_o tenet_n now_o to_o these_o divine_a testimony_n we_o may_v add_v a_o argument_n or_o two_o draw_v out_o of_o sacred_a writ_n zanchie_a argue_v from_o the_o manner_n of_o the_o creation_n of_o adam_n soul_n &_o of_o christ_n the_o like_a in_o all_o other_o but_o we_o will_v pass_v unto_o the_o second_o head_n of_o our_o confirmation_n that_o the_o creation_n of_o soul_n be_v more_o consonant_n unto_o ecclesiastic_a writer_n father_n the_o consent_n of_o these_o have_v always_o be_v account_v a_o move_a argument_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o he_o in_o his_o rhetoric_n it_o be_v not_o ingenuous_a to_o determine_v any_o thing_n contrary_a to_o the_o god_n to_o a_o father_n to_o a_o master_n doctor_n father_n then_o must_v have_v in_o they_o some_o persuasive_a virtue_n towards_o assent_n unto_o their_o judgement_n zanchie_a therefore_o cit_v hierome_n gregory_n nyssen_n theodoret_n leo._n and_o hieromesaith_n as_o before_o that_o it_o be_v the_o general_a opinion_n of_o the_o church_n in_o his_o time_n that_o god_n be_v the_o author_n of_o soul_n by_o creation_n indeed_o we_o want_v herein_o the_o suffrage_n of_o tertullian_n and_o augustine_n tertullian_n say_v plain_o that_o the_o soul_n be_v corporeal_a we_o have_v it_o in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr resurrectione_n carnis_fw-la in_o terminis_fw-la terminant_fw-la ibus_fw-la nos_fw-la autem_fw-la animam_fw-la corporalem_fw-la &_o hîc_fw-la profitemur_fw-la &_o in_o svo_fw-la volumine_fw-la probamus_fw-la and_o he_o give_v we_o his_o reason_n because_o of_o the_o soul_n suffer_v of_o torment_n make_v account_n that_o the_o soul_n unless_o it_o be_v corporeal_a can_v suffer_v angustine_n in_o his_o ten_o de_fw-fr genesi_fw-la ad_fw-la literam_fw-la go_v about_o at_o first_o to_o excuse_v this_o expression_n of_o the_o father_n in_o say_v that_o the_o reason_n of_o this_o speech_n be_v because_o he_o can_v not_o otherwise_o concieve_v it_o to_o be_v then_o in_o a_o corporeal_a notion_n neither_o can_v be_v otherwise_o conceive_v of_o god_n as_o rhenanus_fw-la in_o favour_n of_o he_o timuit_fw-la nè_fw-la deus_fw-la nihil_fw-la esset_fw-la si_fw-la non_fw-la esset_fw-la corpus_fw-la he_o be_v afraid_a lest_o god_n shall_v not_o be_v or_o shall_v be_v nothing_o if_o not_o a_o body_n yet_o augustine_n soon_o after_o his_o excuse_n of_o the_o father_n understand_v he_o otherwise_o in_o his_o term_n of_o corpus_n even_o by_o his_o own_o word_n because_o he_o say_v omnecorporale_fw-la est_fw-la passibile_fw-la as_o if_o he_o mean_v by_o corporale_n not_o only_o a_o real_a substance_n but_o a_o substance_n material_a debuit_fw-la ergò_fw-la mutare_fw-la sententiam_fw-la say_v the_o father_n because_o hereby_o he_o make_v god_n passable_a so_o that_o augustine_n hold_v not_o with_o tertullian_n that_o the_o soul_n be_v corporeal_a yet_o he_o doubt_v whether_o it_o be_v create_v and_o his_o reason_n be_v because_o if_o it_o be_v create_v by_o god_n he_o can_v see_v how_o original_a sin_n shall_v be_v convey_v unto_o it_o which_o he_o know_v so_o well_o and_o defend_v so_o stout_o 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which_o in_o our_o apprehension_n may_v seem_v to_o arise_v out_o of_o the_o position_n of_o it_o and_o de_fw-fr facto_fw-la that_o saint_n hierome_n win_v s._n augustine_n unto_o his_o side_n in_o this_o point_n paraeus_n and_o zanchie_a be_v my_o author_n nay_o lombard_n and_o biel_n do_v cite_v augustine_n in_o the_o three_o and_o twenty_o chapter_n of_o the_o question_n ex_fw-la veteri_fw-la testamento_fw-la for_o the_o creation_n of_o the_o soul_n inhonestum_fw-la puto_fw-la si_fw-la animae_fw-la dicantur_fw-la cum_fw-la corporibus_fw-la generari_fw-la ut_fw-la anima_fw-la nascatur_fw-la de_fw-la anima_fw-la and_o biel_n to_o this_o purpose_n cit_v augustine_n de_fw-fr ecclesiasticis_fw-la dogmatibus_fw-la non_fw-la seminantur_fw-la animae_fw-la cum_fw-la corporibus_fw-la but_o to_o deal_v ingenuous_o with_o my_o audience_n the_o former_a book_n of_o the_o question_n ex_fw-la veteri_fw-la testamento_fw-la be_v none_o of_o s._n augustine_n as_o bellarmine_n and_o erasmus_n and_o 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