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A48937 Quakerism no paganism: or, A friendly reply to W.R. his unfriendly discourse intituled, Quakerism is paganism Shewing the insufficiency of what he hath written to unchristian the Quakers, and to render them as heathens and pagans to the people By W.L. a lover of peace more than of parties. Loddington, William, 1626?-1711. 1674 (1674) Wing L2805; ESTC R216893 25,726 71

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run 48 pages farther bring something spoken of Christ as a contradiction to what he said before to which it had no relation But farther methinks I see W. R. sporting and triumphing over this Addition of mine by letting fly so many Scripture instances to shew what strange sences the taking out or putting in of a word or letter will produce He tells us of a Printer that left out Not in the 7th Commandment and then it was Thou shalt commit adultery And another fancy perhaps of his own which had been better concealed for it looks too much like prophane Drollery from 1 Cor 15 51 where saith he take away c from Changed and then it is We must all be hanged But are these Instances to our purpose Is the Case all one between the Scriptures and those mens writings who are alive to approve or disown what additions you make again the words letters that W. R. substracts from Scripture are such as make the Sence remaining run directly contrary to all Scripture and Reason whereas my Addition made the Charge agree with both But Thirdly Though I know we cannot add any word into the Scripture yet consider whether most Christians do not either in their Doctrinal or Practical Comments upon it make Additions When any man Bap●izeth by vertue of the Commission Mat. 28.19 doth he not add the word water to it When we oppose the Roman Purgatory pressed upon us from 1 Gor. 3.13 do not we add before Death or some words to that purpose When one saith Christ died for all men and proves it from 1 Tim. 2.6 will not another of a contrary mind say the word Elect is to be understood or added to make it agree with other Scriptures Now this is my Case they who make these Additions justifie me for as these words make these texts in their understanding agree with others more plain and less liable to exception so my Addition made this Charge more agreeable to other plainer Writings of the Quakers Seeing then there are different senses put upon these Texts and others I could name W. R. did not considerately compare the Quakers Writings to Heathen Oracles because in some places they may seem to admit of divers Constructions for he cannot but see what will follow if an Argument should be drawn from the Premises upon him The Second Charge against the Quakers is That the Soul is a part of God and of Gods Being without Beginning and Infinite Here faid I what hurt is there in all this that is in this Notion about the Soul or In twenty more of the like nature But when I proceed to say I never heard the Heathen were of this Opinion then W. R. makes advantage of my brevity and presently falls to proving that the Heathen had divine Apprehensions of the Soul which I deny not but this is not our business W. R. should have kept his eye upon the main design of this Charge as I did which T. H. tells us verbatim in p. 16. of the first Dial. is to bring an absurdity upon the Quakers for saith he If this be so then their Opinion must be thus understood God sets up a Light in himself which He Himself is to obey and in so doing he shall be saved Now to this being the substance of the Charge and without this there 's no hurt in it I said the Heathen were not of this Opinion or drew they any Consequences from their Apprehensions of the Soul leading them to any inward Idolatry but rather on the contrary as the changing the glory of God into Images of Men and Beasts Rom. 1. So that nothing is more opposite to Quakerism than Heathenism vulgarly understood that being all for Inward Spiritual Worship and this for an Outward gross Idolatry Moreover under this Charge W. R. makes a disparity betwixt the Soul of Man and Spirit of God which I oppose not because it hurts not the Question viz. Why may we not as well say God hath given us a measure of Himself as a measure of his Spirit No faith he because the Soul is a Creature made by God immortal and cannot die But in so saying he opposeth Austin and Jerome who say That if the Soul be seminated with the Flesh or come ex traduce then it shall die with the flesh If I should tell him what the Lord saith Ez. 18. The Soul that sins shall die I know he would answer that Soul there signifies the Body and why it may not so be taken in Isa 57. I leave to others to judge For my own part though I believe the Soul Immortal yet I never saw any great cause to Anathema those that held it slept with the body so long as they firmly believed it should be raised again to partake of Immortality for the Contest betwixt us is but about a little space of time which in the Grave signifies nothing but indeed betwixt them and the Roman Catholicks this Contest is of great concernment for it utterly overturns their profitable Doctrine of Purgatory Therefore they have no reason to suffer it But why we may not bear with one another about that and this Notion about the Soul in the Charge so long as the Absurdity aforesaid is detested I know not And for all W. R. huffs at my Confidence in saying It 's strange we should differ about we know not what I see no reason he has given to leave off this Admiration For if he should devote himself to read all that ever has been written about the Soul and all its Definitions and all such Quiddities about it as tota in toto and tota in qualibet parte I dare affirm he will not be more able to tell us what the Soul of Man is than he was before Therefore let him not think that I write any thing about the Soul to make him much the wiser but only in this sense that we may all be so wise as to leave contending about it And for this cause I shall take no notice of more Questions of that Subject for I think he puts them but to try whether I will be so foolish as to Answer them I shall conclude this Charge with telling W. R. that I writ not those Verses he jerks me for to jeer my Friends but that by telling them what others say they may be weaned from these unprofitable and dishonourable Disputes whom it chiefly concerns to think on it But if I were minded to seek after a jeering Spirit in his Writings I doubt I should find a downright one in that pertinent Question he so often hath put to the Quakers viz. What some of those things were that our Saviour did upon Earth that are not Written Don't you think this a wise one and a charitable one too Doubtless he might have posed the Prophet David with an easier Question than this For he saith Psal 35.15 That the Abjects gathered themselves against him and he knew it not though 't is