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A01299	A briefe confutation, of a popish discourse: lately set forth, and presumptuously dedicated to the Queenes most excellent Maiestie: by Iohn Howlet, or some other birde of the night, vnder that name Contayning certaine reasons, why papistes refuse to come to church, which reasons are here inserted and set downe at large, with their seuerall answeres. By D. Fulke, Maister of Penbroke Hall, in Cambridge. Seene and allowed.	Fulke, William, 1538-1589.; Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. Brief discours contayning certayne reasons why Catholiques refuse to goe to church.	1583 (1583)	STC 11421; ESTC S102704	108,905	118

aster longe teaching he bée further vrged too confesse it experience as Augustine testifieth of manye Donatistes doeth shewe that although hée did first professe it by compulsion hée maye by Gods grace woorking in him afterwarde imbrace it willingly Wherefore the compulsion pretended to bee vsed is neyther so daungerous to them that are compelled nor so hurtefull to them that muste vse it being the last refuge to bring vngodly persons to repentaunce by threatning and executingof punishment which contemne despyse all gentle and fatherly admonishment Which if it will not preuayle but that of some it is borne out with obstinacie of other pretended by hypocricis the Magistrate hath discharged his dutie the offendor hath not founde damnation which hée should haue ●…raped Albeit by contumacie or dissimulation hée haue ●…creased the same Now followeth the other parte of the diuision for the first and the persons contayned therin our discourser refuseth to deale with all as of whome there is no ho●…e because they are damned in this lyfe they are no christians and much ●…sse catholikes But there are another sor●…e of catholyes which 〈◊〉 they iudge as the former 〈◊〉 that alother religious beside their own 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 ●…able yet doe they not thinke but that for some world●… 〈◊〉 for 〈◊〉 th●…ir offices 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and other like they may in some of the former things a●… lest wise in going to church shewe themselues conformable to the 〈◊〉 of them of the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 For reformi●…g of thos●… mens wrong and perrillo●… 〈◊〉 a●…ons these nine reasons following vnder the necessary supposition before sayde are franied The first Reason THe first reason why I being a Catholyke in minde maye not goe to the churches or seruice of the cōtrary relygion is because I perswading myself theyr doctrine to be false doctrine consequētly venomous vnto the ●…earer I may not venture my soule to be infected with the 〈◊〉 For us it is damnable for a man to kyll him selfe and consequently deadly si●…ne without 〈◊〉 cause to put his body in probable daunger of death so is it much more offens●… to God to put my soule ten thousand tymes of more valewe then my body in daunger to the deadly stroke of fals●… doctrine and heresie especially seeing I 〈◊〉 ●…o warrant of 〈◊〉 ●…ping but rather I heare God crying to the contrary Hee that ●…eth daunger shall per●… in the same Neyther is it sufficient for me to thinke that I am sure inoughe from beeing infected for that I am grounded inough I am learned sufficiently For what yf God take his grace from thee and let thee fall because thou hast not folowed his 〈◊〉 which is If thou wilt not be bi●…ten with the 〈◊〉 not do sleepe ●…gh the hedg●… If thou wil●… not be spo●…ed then not to touch the Pitch Wherefore 8. Paule to as good a man as learned as strong as I am gaue a generall rule to auoyde and flye an he●…ticall man The lyke precepte hee gaue to Timothy beeyng a By sho●… to auoyde a certayne heretyque by name Alexa●…der 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 yet hee 〈◊〉 as it we●…e the Thessalon 〈◊〉 in the name of Iesus Christes that they should 〈◊〉 drawe them selues 〈◊〉 like fellowes The sa●…e hee repeateth agayne to the 〈◊〉 beseechyng them to note and to de●…yne from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The reason of this ●… 〈◊〉 vttereth 〈◊〉 Ty●…thye Because their speech creepeth like a canker and they 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to the 〈◊〉 of the same men By sweete wordes and gay blessinges they s●…uce the heartes of the Innocent And S. Peter saieth of them that they doe allure vnto them vnconstant soules Heere nowe I see the scripture carefully counsayling and commannding mee to auoyde the company and speech of falle teachers it putteth downe also the perrill if I doe it not which is as great as the death of my soule And on the contrary ●…de I haue no warrant of scripture or example of good men to aduenture the same For I doe reade this written of farre my betters The Apostles and their schollers were so warie and circumspect in this case in a●…yding heretikes that they would not so much as once reason the matter with any of them who endeuoured by their lyings or new deuices to corrupt the truth 〈◊〉 I am sure I can neuer take good by hearing them but I am in great possibilitie to take euill as many more learned men then I in olde tyme haue done As Dionisius Alexandrinus confesseth of himselfe and of Origen and Tertulian it is knowne and manye men in England can be witnesses which both to thems●…ues and also to other 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the time was so firme and grounded in religion as nothing could moue them and yet nowe they haue proued otherwise Wherefore it cannot bee but great sinne in mee notwithstanding all this if I shall put my soule in such daunger by aduenturing to their companie to their serui●…e to theyr sermons to reading their boo●…es or the lyke wherby in any wise I may be corrupted The which aduenture what a 〈◊〉 it was counted in the primatiue church it may appeare by the seue●… lawes made both by the clergie and temporaltie for the prohibiting and punishing of the same in that time as is to be seene in the councels and fathers and in the decrees of the good christian Emperours Martian and 〈◊〉 and especially of the noble and zelous first christian Emperour Constantine which made it death after the condemnation of Arius by the generall councell of Nyce for anye man more to reade his bookes and thereby to aduenture to be poysoned with his heresies And reason For if Da●… had not ventured to behold Be●…abe he had not beene entrapped wi●…h her lone and so had not committed those horrible sins that ensewed And if Dame Eua had not presumed to heare the serpent talke she had not beene beguiled and if when Luther first began to teach new doctrine the catholiks at that time had not vouchsa●…ed to giue him the hering but had auoided his prechings preuy cōuenticles the●… had not bin now in worlde either Lutheran Swinglian Caluenist Puritan Anabaptist Trinetarie Family of loue Adamite or the lyke whereof now there are so many thousands abroad al springing of that first secte and troubling at this day the whole worlde with the eternall damnation of infinite soules the which soules at the day of iudgement shall be scuselesse and receaue that heauie sentence of euerlasting fire for that they had not a●…oyded the daunger of infection The first reason THe first reasō why a Papist may not go to church is y ● perril of infectiō which is as good a reasō as y ● a fowle toad may not come into a cléere spring to wash her spewe out her venome for feare of infection not of the well of which there is greater daunger but of her owne body vnto whose

A briefe Confutation of a Popish Discourse Lately set forth and presumptuou sly dedicated to the Queenes most excellent Maiestie by Iohn Howlet or some other Birde of the night vnder that name Contayning certaine Reasons why Papistes refuse to come to Church which Reasons are here inserted and set downe at large with their seuerall answeres By D. Fulke Maister of Penbroke Hall in Cambridge Seene and allowed ¶ At London printed for George Byshop 1581. Abriefe con●…tation of a Popish discourse THe Papistes by long experience beeing learned howe litle is gained to their part by writing such Treatises in which they tooke vpon them either to iustifie their owne errours or to condemne the truth of Gods Church haue now of late taken an other course and begun an other way of writing which they haue thought more meete both to couer the infirmitie of their cause and to reteine such as they haue seduced in obstinacie of errour For not abiding to proue either that they are in the right or wee in the wrong they content them selues generally to inueigh against Schisme and Heresie to shew foorth the daunger of both in which argument while they conteine them selues they yeeld many good and substantiall reasons as is not hard for them to do which take a good cause in hande But when they come to couple this argument of Schisme or Heresie either by affirmation vnto vs or by denial vnto them selues without which there can no conclusion be made of the whole cause in controuersie they bring nothing but a stale vnlearned and miserable beggerie of the whole matter in question namely that they are the Catholikes we the Schismatikes they are the Church and wee the Heresie Such is the whole drift of Gregorie Martinus vaine Treatise of Schisme such is the scope of Hides seditious Epistle Consolatorie vnto Papistes and the same is the policie of this blasphemous and traiterous discourse cōteining the coulorable reasons made for the Papistes that refuse to go to Church The full and large aunswere vnto which infamous Libell presumed to be dedicated euen to her most excellent Maiestie with the confutation of the same Epistle Dedicatorie because it requireth larger time and is to be expected from a man of singular learning and diligence assoone as it may bee done conueniently I haue thought good in the meane time briefly to set forth vnto the ignorant for no man of meane knowledge can be deceiued by such petition of pri●…ciples the vanitie vnsufficiencie of al these ●…ne reasons that neither any one of them nor they al together can be any excuse much lesse a defense for these obstinate Recusantes to withdraw their obedience from God her Maiesties most godly lawes decreed for going to Church The answere of a vertuous and learned man to a Gentleman in Englande touching the late im prisonment of Catholikes there THE VEW of your late Letters my deare and woorshipfull friende brought vnto mee so●…e sorowe and muche comforte The sorowe proceeded of the wofull and afflicted case of my poore countrie so pitifully set downe by your penne vnto mine eye wherein as you write so many great Gentlemen of woorship are imprisoned for their conscience and religion of late so many good houses broken vp so many ho●…sholders dispersed and fled away so many young Gentlemen and seruantes vnprouided so many poore people destitute so many wiues disioyned from their husbands so many children beref●… of their parentes such flying such running suche shutting vp in prisons suche pitiful abiding h●…ger thirst and colde in prison as you describe doleful for vs to heare heere but more ruful for you to b●…old there and al this for different opinions in religion a miserie not accustomed to fall in our fathers dayes vpon that noble realme But as these were causes of some sorowe so was it no meane comfort vnto me to consider that in these wicked and loose times of ours wherein there is no feeling or sence of vertue left but al men enwrapped in the loue of Gods professed enemie the worlde folowing with al force and ful ●…yle the vanities and ambition of the same that there shoulde bee founde in Englande so many Gentlemen both for their yeares liuinges and other habilities as fit to be as vaine as the rest yet so precise in matters of religion and so respectiue to their consciences as that they wil preferre their soule before their bodie and Gods cause before their owne ease nay that they wil rather venture both bodie and goods life landes libertie and al then they wil doe any thing contrarie to their consciences whereby they must bee iudged at the last day This is suche a thing as it must needes bring comfort to al men and can iustly greeue none except the common enemy the Deuil him selfe For as for ●…raungers they must ●…eedes be edefied therewith as for Englishmen they must needes be incouraged thereby And as for the Princesse her selfe shee cannot but bee comforted therein assuring her selfe that if these men doe sticke so firmely vnto their consciences and fayth sworne vnto God in their o●… of Baptisme then wil they as firmely for the same conscience sticke vnto her Maiestie if occasion should serue in keeping their secondary faith and allegeance sworne vnto her Highnesse as to the substitute of GOD. Their aduersaries also and persecutors it can not in any reason mislike for that the contrarie religion were to haue them as constant and faithful in that if it were possible to win them to the same But notwithstanding seeing you wryte that there is both great dislike and displeasure also taken of it as though their constancie were obstinacy and their conscience meere wil which most of al greeueth as you write their obedient and wel meaning mindes albeeit otherwise the pressure it selfe bee so hea●… as the burthen thereof is sore and greeuous to beare for these causes and for the giuing of some more light to the whole matter I wil as you seeme to desire most briefly touch three things in this letter whereby I doubt not but that you shal account your selfe fully and sufficiently answered ●… The first point shalbe what cause or reason the Catholikes haue to stande as they doe in the refusall of thinges offered them and especially of going to the Church Secondly what way or meanes they may vse to remedie or ease them selues of this affliction now layde vpon them for their consciences Thirdly if that way or meanes doe not preuayle then howe they ought to beare and indure the same BEfore the nyne reasons is premised an answere to a Letter as is pretended of a gentleman in England touching the late imprisōmēt of Catholiks there the cōtents wherof are these First a great sorrow cōceiued in this answerer for that pitifull descriptiō of Englād cōteined in the gentlemans letter wherin was writtē that so many great Gentlemen of worship were prisoned for their consciences religion of

may bée an error in the number for Hier. 61. contra Apostolicos hee speaketh of some thinges receiued by tradition as that it is sinne to mary after virginitie professed but of ceremonies hée saieth nothing at all As for the Tridentine councell which is next quoted I will not vou●…afe to answere it béeing of none antiquitie but holden within these fewe yé●…res by the Papistes Then followeth Cyprian epist 66. Which I know not wherfore it is alleadged for there is nothing in it for Ceremo●…es or the contempte of them but against the Nouasianes and anerroneous opinion of his that none can baptize but hée that hath the holy Ghost After Cyprian wée are bidden to looke in Augustine de doctrina christiana without quoting the Chapter but for what I knowe not for there are not in him rehearsed any Ceremonies which wée omit for any thing that I can finde The like I say for Cyprian sermone de oratione dominica As for Isidorus who lyued more then 600. yéeres after Christe in ceremoniall age is no méete Authour to controle our want of Ceremonies by such as were vsed in the Spanishe Church in his tyme which yet are not all the same that the Papistes vse Then solloweth the fourth Toletane councell cap. 2. Which appoynteth that there shoulde bée an vniforme order of ministration of the Sacram●…ntes and publike prayers in the Churches of Spayne and Gallicia because they were contayned in one fayth and kingdome What pertayneth this vnto the church of England which hath as great authority to appoynt her own Ceremonies as the church of Spayne then had for theirs The laste quotation is Bede lib. Hist. cap. 1. omytting the number of the Booke but hauing perused all the fyrste Chapters of euerye booke I finde nothing for any Ceremonies And whatsoeuer their shoulde bée founde in Beda so late a writer shoulde bee no preiudice vnto the authoritie of our Churche in this tyme. For as I shewed before that Augustine out of euery Church wa●… willed to choose what ceremonies hee thought most conueniente so his posteritie was not bound to his choyce but as they thought good some they added some they abrogated But where hée noteth in the margent that in these Authors wée may sée 〈◊〉 what tongue seruice was in they dayes in all countryes I mar●…ayle at his im●…udencie séeing neyther in anye place by him quoted except the last Trid●…tine counsell perhappes there is anye worde spoken touching the tongue wherein seruice was in their countries nor in all their works is there anye thing to proue the contrarye but that euerye nation had their seruice in such tongue as they vnderstoode As for the leauing out of the prayer for the dead which is in déede an errour of great antiquitie séeing hée quoteth none authoritie for the iustifying of it I will referre the Reader to other treatises that I haue written against it namelye to my confutation of Allens booke of Purgatorie and to my reioynder lately ●…ritten to Bristoes reply So that for any thing which is brought or quoted in this reason the seruice of the Protestantes is proued to bée good inough The eyght Reason THe eight reason of refusall which maye nowe bee yeleded why a Catholicke maye not come to the Protestantes churches is because by going thither hee shall loose all the benefit of his owne relygion neither shal he take any more commoditie therby then if he were not of that relygion at al. This is a verye great waightie and most sufficiente reason to bee yeelded by catholyckes in Englande to their Princes for their refusall of comming to churche and such a one as being sufficiently conceyued by her Maiestie cannot but satisfie her highnesse and greatlye drawe her to compassion of the pitifull case of so many thousandes of her louing subiects who being as I haue sayd catholickes in hearts by going to Protestāts churches must needs be brought either to flat athisme that is to leaue of al conscience and to care for no religion at al as manye thousan●… seeme to b●… resolued to do●… or els to liue in continual torment of minde and almoste desperation considering that by their going to these Churches they loose vtterlye all vse and practise of theyr owne relygion beeing helde as Schismatickes and excommunicate persons of the same and their case 〈◊〉 that if they should die in the same state they were sure to receiue no ●…rt of benefite of that religion no more then if they had been Protestants The which what a danger it is all true Christian men doe both know and feare But yet that the simpler sort may better vnderstande it and the wiser better consider of it I will in particuler repeate some of the abouesaide dommages First therefore a Catholike by going to the Protestantes Churches looseth all participation of that blessed sacrifice of the body and blood of our Sauiour appointed by the saide Sauiour as I haue shewed before to bee offered vp dayly in the oblation of the Masse for the commoditie of the whole worlde quicke and dead and for that cause as the godly and learned Saint Iohn Chrisostome saith Called the comon sacrifice of the whole worlde The which action of offering of this sacred Hoste the sonne of God to his father is of such dignitie excellencie and merite not only to the Priest but also to the standers by assisting him as al the other good works which a man can do in his life are not to be cōpared with it seeing that the very angels of heauē do come down at that time to adore after the consecration that sacred body and to offer the same vp with vs to God the Father of the whole worlde As all the holy Fathers of the Primatiue churche did both beleeue and teach Of the whiche it shall be enough at this time to alleadge one or two S. Gregorie therefore the first saieth thus What faithfull man can doubt but that in the verie houre of immolation or sacrifice the heauens doe open at the Priestes voice and that the quires of Angels bee present there in that mysterie of ●…esus Christ And Saint Chrisostome handeling the same saith At that time the time of consecration in the Masse the Angels stand by the Priest and the vniuersall orders of the celestiall powers doe crie out and the place ●…igh to the Aulter is full of quires of Angels in the honour of him who is there sacrificed And immediatelie after hee telleth two visions of holy men whose eyes were by the power of God as hee saith opened and they in those visions sawe the Angelles present at the time of consecration And in an other place hee yet more at large explicateth the same sayinge At that time deare brot●…er at the time of consecration and eleuation not onely men doe giue out that dreadfull crie saying wee adore thee O Lorde c. but also the Angels do bow their knees to our

Lord the Archangels do beseech him for they account that a fit time hauing that sacred oblatiō in their fauor And therfore as men are wont to moue princes the more if they beare oliue bowes in their hands because by ●…earing that kinde of wood they bring into the Princes mindes mercy gentlenes so the angels at that time holding out in their hands the very selfe same body of our Lord they do intreate for al mankind as though they saide We do intreate O Lord for the men of the world whom thou hast so loued that for their saluation thou wast content to die and in the Crosse to breath out thine owne soule For these men we make sup plication for the which thou hast giuen thy owne blood for these men we pray for the which thou hast sacrificed this body of thine If this bee so then the hearing of Masse is not only worth the venturing of an hundred marks or six monethes imprisonment but also of an hundred thousand liues if a man could loose euerie one for that cause sixe times And an hundred times miserable is that man whiche for any worldly respecte doeth depriue him selfe of so great a benefite as the participation of this sacrifice is Secondly they loose by going to church the fruite and grace of sixe sa craments as the grace of confirmation by the Bishop whereby the holy Ghost was giuen in the primatiue church as S. Luke saith and nowe 〈◊〉 our time as S. Cyprian proueth are bestowed vpon vs by the same the seuen gifts of the holy Ghost set out by Esay the Prophet in his xi chapter They loose also the grace of Priesthood so greatly commended by saint Paul to Timothie when he chargeth him so earnestly not to neglect the saide grace Also the grace of Matrimonie which S. Paul so much extolleth when hee calleth this sacrament a great sacrament Also the grace of extreeme vnction which is so great as S. Iames saith besides the healing ma ny times of the body it also remitteth the sicke mans sinnes And so in like manner the grace of the other two sacramentes of Penance and the Aulter whereof I will say a worde or two immediately All these graces they loose being cut of by their going to the Protestants churches from these sacraments which are nothing els but conduits of grace The which losse of what value it is a man may gesse by that which all diuines with on accorde doe proue that one drop of grace is more worth then all the worlde esteemed in it selfe besides Thirdly they loose by going to church al the benefi●…e of the keies of the church or of the authoritie of binding and loosing of sinnes graunted by Christe to the gouernours of the same churche For the explication of the which we must vnderstand that Christ hauing newly made the marriag●… betwixt his deare spouse himself I meane the church hauing now sealed the same with his own blood being inforced to depart frō the said new married spouse of his touching his visible presence for a time hee deuised how to shew vnto her how greatly he loued her to leaue some notable pledge and testimonie of his singuler great affectiō towards her The which he finally resolued could be by no other meanes better ex pressed then if he should leaue al his authoritie with her the whiche hee had receiued of his father which making publike proclamation to all the worlde that What soeuer she should forgiue in earth touching sinne the same should be forgiuen in heauen and what soeuer sinne the Church shoulde retaine or not forgiue in earthe the same shoulde neuer bee forgiuen in heauen And againe that with what authoritie GOD his father sent him with the same he sent her gouernours the Apostles and their successours And againe he that shoulde not heare and obey the Church should be accounted as a Heathen and Publicane By the which speeches of Christ our forefathers haue alwaies vnderst●…ode that Christe gaue vnto the church a visible tribunal seate in earth for the forgiuing or retaining of sinnes vnto the which al christians must reso●…t by submission and humble confession of their sinnes if they thinke euer to receiue forgiuenes of the same at Christ his handes in heauen For so wee reade that in the primatiue church they confessed their fins vnto the Apostles of whom S. Luke writeth thus Many of the faith full came to the Apostles confessing and reuealing their owne acts And foure hundred yeeres after that S. Austen testifieth of his time saying Doe you such penance as is wont to be doone in the Church that the Churche may pray for you Let no man say I doe it secretly I doe it with God alone God which hath to pardon me knoweth wel how that I doe repent in my heart What therfore without cause was it said to the Priests that which you loose in earth shalbe loosed in heauen therefore in vaine were the keies giuen to the Church And in an other place again more neerely touching the humour of our men now a daies he saith There are some which thinke it sufficient foe their saluation if they do confesse their sinnes only to God to whom nothing is hidden and to whō no mans conscience is vnknowne For they will not or els they are ashamed or els they disdaine to shewe them selues vnto the Priestes whome notwithstanding GOD by Moses his Lawe giuer dyd appointe to discerne or iudge betweene Leprie and Leprie But I woulde not that thou shouldest be deceiued with that opinion in suche sort that thou shouldest either by naughtie shame or ob●…inate 〈◊〉 refraine to confesse before the substitute or Vicegerent of our Lord. For whom our Lorde did not disdaine to make his 〈◊〉 his iudgement muste thou be content also to stand to This benefite therefore of the keyes of the churche and of receiuing remission of 〈◊〉 sinnes by the same which catholikes doe thinke to bee the greatest benefite of their religion doe they loose that goe to the Protestants churches besides all the good instructions wholesome counsels and vertuous admonitions which catholikes doe receiue in confession at their ghost●…y Fathers hands then the which things they finde nothi●…g more forcible to bring them to good life especially if they frequent it often as al zelous catholikes in the worlde now doe Fourthly they loose the infinit benefite of receiuing the blessed sacrament of the Aulter the precious body and blood of Christ beeing the foode of our soules and as Christ saith The bread that came downe from heauen to giue life vnto the worlde To the worthie eating of which heauenly bread Christe promiseth infinite reward saying He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath life euer lasting and I will raise him againe at the last day And againe He that eatetb me shall liue through me Vpon which promises of