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A69250 Newes from France containing tvvo declarations of two new conuerts from the Church of Rome to the reformed churches of France: the former made by Master M. du Tertrf [sic], Lord de la Motthe Luyne, late preacher amongst the order of the Capucins vnder the name of F. Firmin, &c. at Saumur on the 27. of May last: the latter by the Marquise Boniuet, Lord of Creuecœur, &c. at Rochell on the seuenth of August last. Both translated out of the seuerall French copies into English by E.M. of Christ-Church in Oxford. Whereunto is added an English letter sent from Paris by an English gentleman to his friend in England, touching the late surprisall and imprisonment of the Prince of Conde, which happened on the 22. of August last.; Declaration and manifestation, of the chiefe reasons and motives of the conversion of Master M. du Tertre, Lord de la Motthe Luyne. Bonnivet, Henri Marc de Gouffier, Marquis de, d. 1589. Declaration de Henri-Marc de Gouffier. aut; Meetkerke, Edward, 1590-1657, attributed name. 1616 (1616) STC 7372; ESTC S117179 43,123 84

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excellent perfect and compleate then the externall and corporal by how much the soule surpasseth and exceedeth the body in excellent perfection and noblenesse free vnuiolable in the libertie and power of euery one and such as cannot be hindered as the externall and corporall by any indeauour or change whatsoeuer For hee that is lame of his whole body hee that lies in his bed grieuously and mortally sicke hee that is clogged with irons both on hands and feet and kept prisoner in the bottome of an obscure and darke dungeon hindered from making or shewing any signe of outward seruice and corporall reuerence may haue his heart and soule lifted vp and deuoted vnto God and may serue honour and worship him spiritually as did Ionas in the belly of the Whale and in the deepe of the waters and bottome of the sea Manasses in his prison the diseased with the palsye in his bed and couch and the good theefe hauing all the members and parts of his body fast bound and tied This being as the cause and the mother which bringeth foorth and ingendereth the outward and bodily which is as it were the scum which arises and proceeds from the boyling of the fire of the inward and spirituall deuotion to be short this of it selfe alone is good and perfect retaining and carrying with it his worth and value yea and in necessitie sufficient But the outward and corporall is so farre from being alone good and sufficient that it is rather a delusion and Mascarado it is that hypocrisie so much cryed out vpon blamed and condemned by the Sonne of God our Sauiour in those who with their strange behauiour and countenance and with some gestures actions and ceremonies doe thinke they can flatter God and discharge their dutie towards him doing it onely with the tip and end of the tongue with their mouth and edge of their lips without any heart deuotion affection or spirit This people saith he honoureth me with their lippes but their heart and spirit is farre from mee This is iust so as the Iewes did who at the passion of our Sauiour did kneele before him saluted him King and Prophet but in derision and mockery Now who knowes not how far the most part those of your Church are remooued but what do I say almost quite depriued and disrobed of that heartie and louing zeale and affection to the obseruing of Gods lawes and commandements to the fulfilling of his sacred will and to the true worshippe and seruice which hee desires demaunds and seekes at our hands daily experience makes vs see it with our eye and touch it with the finger and indeede we should bee quite void both of eyes and vnderstanding if wee did neither see nor perceiue it it is the least of their thoughts and the least of their cares whereof they make no esteeme no reckoning preferring the edicts commandements and ordinances of a mortall fraile and perishable man to those of that supreame and diuine maiestie of that glorious eternall and almighty monarch yea esteeming lesse of these then of their owne irregular passions and affections corrupted appetites filthy concupiscences and insatiable desires and for the most part standing vpon and contenting themselues with the onely meere externall and corporall honor worship and seruice with vsing strange behauiour and ceremonies making faces offering of cierges being present at Masses offices and seruices rightly diuiding their beads running ouer their houres saying the seuen Psalmes the prayers for the deceased vttering many words and vocall prayers babbling and muttering them all the day long in an vnknowne language and words not vnderstood without deuotion without attention without affection of the heart the wil or the minde speedily postingly with hast and onely for fashion sake neuer or very seldome lifting vp their mindes to the consideration of the excellent greatnesse and diuine perfection of that supreame maiesty or of their owne vilenesse basenesse worthlesnesse and nullity in comparison to him and to the innumerable obligations they owe him for to bring foorth the actions of deepe humility and lowe subiection of true and hearty and inward acknowledgement of the feruent and ardent loue of the honour respect and high reuerence they beare to the God of bountie and King of infinite glory greatnes and maiesty with an intire forsaking of our selues and totally and perfectly submitting vs to his diuine prouidence disposition and will which notwithstanding is the true honour worship and seruice as I haue already sayd that he wills demaunds and seekes at our hands and that alone is pleasing and acceptable vnto him him and not onely haue not any true confidence certaine and firme hope and in fallible assurance in his diuine goodnesse and infinite mercies and promises of saluation or any refuge to him in their necessities but euen rather doe blame reprehend and condemne on the contrary such as doe so at the least your Doctors giuing by a blasphemy no lesse horrible and detestable then worthy of all manner of punishment to this holy heartie and firme confidence and assurance in the bounty and mercy of God the name and title of diuillish pride and presumption And they goe themselues mistrustfully and send likewise others in the troublesome chances that happen and come vpon them to others besides him for to be guarded freed and deliuered there-from expresly against the Scripture and the plaine words of our Sauiour by which hee inuiteth vs so louingly to betake our selues vnto him when wee shall feele our selues wearied and heauy laden with affliction and anguish with a certaine and assured promise to ease vs imagining the whilest and thinking that by the meanes of this meerely externall worship they are not onely quitted and discharged and that they haue well and fully satisfied their dutie towards God but also that for it he is beholden to them and remaines in their debt No no this is not that which he requires demands and seekes of them but rather their spirits and the affections of their hearts God is a spirit saith our Sauiour and hee that will serue honour and worship him he must doe it in spirit and truth of heart and such are those whom he seekes demands and lookes after He is so farre from being pleased and delighted with this outward and meerely corporall honour seruice and worship that on the contrary he detests and hates it and infinitely and extremely abhorres it as we haue said But how indeed can he like it being without heart affection deuotion or attention of the minde which is that which he loues cherishes commends and esteemes most in all of vs And besides it being for the most part nothing but a meere humane inuention not onely without his expresse word and commandement who notwithstanding ought not to bee serued at the pleasure and discretion of men but according to his will reuealed and manifested in his said word but also expresly and formally contrary to it as is the Masse
and that which depends thereof the inuocation of Saints praier in a language not common nor vnderstood and other the like And now let them freely goe boasting that they haue the loue of God No no saith our Sauiour he that keepes not my words hee loues me not Hee that keepes not the precepts and commandements of God saith S. Iohn he is a lier and the truth is not in him And then how can they loue him when they giue him not the honour the worship and true seruice which they owe him and which hee wils requires and demands of them but doe almost wholly alter corrupt and destroy it and in stead of the truth offer and present vnto him only a meere dead body and apparition Now he that hath not in him and is deuoid of the loue of God how shall he loue and make much of his neighbour No no saith S. Iohn if a man say I loue God and hateth his brother he is a lier why so For as he addeth hee that loueth not his brother whom hee hath seene how can he loue God whom he hath not seene It is impossible and hee thus concludes This commandement haue we from him that hee who loueth God loue his brother also The loue of our neighbour saith the Moralist S. Gregorie is produced and brought foorth by the loue of God and the loue of God is nourished and maintained by the loue of our neighbour and truly he that is negligent and carelesse in louing his neighbour and Christian brother knowes not how hee ought to loue God nay loues him not at all I neede not striue and stand much vpon the proofe and testimonie of this truth in the most part of them of your Church it is knowne and appeareth well enough of it selfe without labouring to bring it to light the Sun and the light being not more visible then this is cleere and manifest that there is no more any loue charitie affection good-will vnion and concord amongst them there is nothing but diuisions dissensions partialitie enuie iealousie murmurs detractions slanders riots disputes bloudy hatred and mortall rancour of the one against the other no agreement no accord no proportion no respect and relation of pietie or compassion towards the afflicted no charitable assistance in the behalfe of the poore and needie in no wise at all And if so be that some of them as there are alwayes some particular honest and charitable men and we must ingenuously confesse it and giue them this commendation and testimonie for the truth that giue and impart some of their goods and reuenewes it will be to no good purpose rather for to found and cause to be said some Masses seruices and offices and sing leero wayes that I may so say and celebrated in poast-haste and for a fashion without any pietie deuotion affection and attention of the heart and minde whatsoeuer but with a thousand irreuerent insolencies distractions and wanderings of the minde with bad thoughts being rather horrible and detestable blasphemies then praiers and orizons acceptable to God for to build Chappels Monasteries and Couents to feede and make fat the lazie bellies of Monkes Religious and other voluntarie poore men idle droanes and vnfit to doe any good but to dine make good cheere and sleepe for their ease then to maintaine and releeue the truly poore needie and shame faste members of Iesus Christ who die of hunger either at their gates or within their houses without hauing any care pittie or compassion of them they thinking being perswaded and making themselues beleeue that they are discharged and haue well done in regard of their dutie and obligation towards God when they haue filled the wallets and bottles and with good and daintie messes couered and furnished the tables of the Capucins Recollects and other the like begging Friers the true theeues of almes and deuourers of the substance due to the truly poore and needie whereof they shall giue both the one and the other a most strict account to God and shall be most seuerely and grieuously punished And if that sometimes which notwithstanding happens but seldome they doe any good and bestow their charitable assistance vpon the truly poore and needy vpon the diseased vpon prisoners and such like yet it is alwayes ioyned with this leauen that marres makes sowre and corrupts the whole lumpe namely with an opinion and beleefe of meriting and of making God by the meanes of these things indebted to them whereas wee ought simply to exercise the workes of charitie pietie and mercy out of a pure and simple affection and compassion towards our neighbour and for to testifie our loue and gratitude towards God for the infinite fauours and benefits that wee haue receiued and doe daily receiue from him Now all what is before said being thus wherein I pray you can they testifie their loue towards God their zeale and affection to the obseruing of his lawes commandements and precepts seeing that that being the first chiefe and as it were fundamentall in respect of all the rest yet they doe not obserue it But what doe I say nay they thinke not once of it nor at all care for it By what can we know that they are the Disciples of our Sauiour seeing that as himselfe witnesseth this is the first marke and chiefe token whereby to know them yea to put a distinction betweene the good and the bad the elect and reprobate the children of God and of the Deuill as saith great S. Austin and S. Iohn confirmes it in the third chapter of his first Epistle Hereby are manifested the children of God and the children of the Deuill whosoeuer doth not righteousnesse and loueth not his neighbour and Christian brother is not of God and consequently of the Deuill Iudge then what they are and you also consequently and whether I haue had iust cause to withdraw my selfe from you for to vnite and ioyne my selfe with the children of God with the children of light with the elect and predestinated But these two chiefe and fundamentall grounds of religion and saluation being cast on ground what will become of the rest of the edifice and building I meane of those heauenly and diuine virtues that are needfull and requisite to the perfection of a good Christian It must needs be that they also fall downe and that in their stead doe succeede and bee erected a body of all vices and sinnes whereunto we see that the greater part amongst you doe apply and giue themselues ouer The remainder of that which S. Paul had said of the Gentiles in the place before alleaged of the Epistle to the Romans being truly fulfilled in them For this cause God gaue them vp to vile affections for euen c. But wee need not wonder at it seeing that those of whom you ought to receiue the precepts and doctrines of saluation and who ought to be vnto you as lights and lampes for to guide and
his charge and offices 3. the singular graces fauours and benefits which hee hath conferred on vs and wee haue receiued from him As for his person it is a matter of alike faith and beleefe equally grounded in the holy Scripture and acknowledged approued and confessed by all that he is very God and very man God begotten from all eternitie of the proper substance essence and nature of his eternall Father yea the very same perfectly and in all points equally God as he is Man conceiued in time produced and begotten within the chaste entrailes of the proper substance of the Virgin Mary by the working of the holy Ghost of the seede of Abraham and Dauid according to the flesh truly man as we are subiect to the same and altogether alike infirmities except sinne and ignorance Now although your Doctours directly and openly doe not beate downe and destroy these two things in the Sonne of God our Sauiour yet so it is notwithstanding that by manner of consequence and necessary sequele they take from him rob him of and carry away at the least his humanitie when as they say and it is their common doctrine and vniuersall beleefe that in the Sacrament of the Eucharist by the meanes which they call and they haue forged and inuented it for themselues but of late times of transubstantiation the substance of bread and wine is conuerted and changed they are the proper words of the Councell of Trent in the first and second Canon of the fourth chapter and of all your Doctours in dependance thereof into the body and bloud of Iesus Christ which is properly and to speake truly to ouerthrow topsie turuie and destroy the truth of the incarnation and humanitie of our Sauiour and to giue him a body not taken and drawne from the substance of the Virgin made and begotten by the seede of Abraham and Dauid according to the flesh following the promise which had beene made them thereof by that supreme maiestie long time before but from the substance of the bread and by a necessary consequence and infallible conclusion no longer any true body or a naturall man but a morsell of paste a peece of the ouen horrible and accursed blasphemie but yet farre more when as they affirme auouch and wilfully maintaine that the same humanitie of Christ in the same Sacrament is substantially present almost euery where or at least is really and corporally in almost infinite distinct and seuered places in one and the same instant So Bellarmine in his controuersies of the Eucharist and after him all the others in a row which is properly to make the body of Christ no longer a true body but to speake plainly an immense and infinite God contrary both to the truth of his humane nature and to the testimonie of all the holy Scriptures and reason it selfe For what body would that be which wanteth his naturall greatnesse and stature which can neither be felt handled nor seene c. which occupieth and filleth almost infinite places distant and farre asunder in one and the same instant as we haue already said Thus doe you see that your Church doth oppose and destroy his holy and sacred person and the humanitie of our Sauiour and turneth topsie turuie as much as in her lieth this ground of our saluation whereas in lieu of the true body of Christ shee offereth presenteth and giueth you an idle vision and a very apparition But this is enough on this matter Let vs now come to his charges and offices They are many and in great number but may notwithstanding all be reduced to these three principall of Prophet of King of high Priest A Prophet who like another Moses yea better then he and more perfectly many thousand times and without compare nay then all the other Prophets hath both by himselfe and by his Apostles and Disciples foretold denounced and declared the will of his eternall Father the lawes precepts and ordinances which he required and willed vs to obserue So had the foresaid Moses a long time before foretold when as being neere to his end and vpon the finishing of his dayes turning himselfe to the children and people of Israel and comforting them in the behalfe of his departure he did warrant them and promised that God would raise vp vnto them a Prophet from the midst of them of their brethren c. And the Apostle in the first to the Hebrewes saith expresly that God hauing in times past at sundry times and in sundry and diners manners spoken to the Fathers by the Prophets hath spoken to vs in our dayes by his welbeloued Sonne c. And a thousand other the like testimonies of Scripture which I omit of purpose not to wearie you Now those of your Church doe denie vnto him this honourable charge and office when as they say hold and maintaine that the holy Scripture is obscure ambiguous vnperfect insufficient to saluation That there is nothing in it heauenly and diuine which can binde vs to beleeue that which is contained therein That that which the Apostles and Prophets haue giuen vs and left in writing they did it not as being driuen thereunto by any particular and speciall commandement or inspiration from God but by contingent occasions and accidentall causes That its proper principall and last end is not to be and to stand for a rule of faith but only for a certaine vsefull and profitable recommendation to the keeping and obseruing of the doctrine proceeding from the preaching of the Gospell c. And that not contenting themselues with this heauenly doctrine by the meanes whereof the Sonne of God our Sauiour hath giuen and left vnto vs both by his liuing voice and by the Apostles and Prophets as it were by his owne hands all that is requisite and needfull to saluation and to the perfection which hee willeth requireth and demandeth of vs they adde to this heauenly and diuine written word contrary to the expresse prohibition which is giuen of it in many places therein where an Anathema is pronounced and a curse thundered out against those that shall be so daring bold and shamelesse as to vndertake it they adde vnto it I say as being insufficient another not written to wit an infinite number of humane constitutions traditions and inuentions To the which although for the most part vncertaine obscure and contrary among themselues they will haue vs to giue the like credit and beleefe and carry towards them the same and altogether equall deuotion with the word of God nay farre greater seeing they hold and teach as I haue said heretofore that of it selfe alone without the said traditions the Scripture is not so necessary and neither can nor ought to serue for a rule of faith and the traditions alone of themselues purely and simply without the said Scripture ought to be and absolutely are so Which while they doe what is this else but to reiect and impudently refuse