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A67103 Truth will out, or, A discovery of some untruths smoothly, told by Dr. Ieremy Taylor in his Disswasive from popery with an answer to such arguments as deserve answer / by his friendly adversary E. Worsley. E. W. (Edward Worsley), 1605-1676. 1665 (1665) Wing W3618; ESTC R39189 128,350 226

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of his Weights and Measures Who will take upon him to shew us that the worship of the Host in the Papacy is Idolatry When these two great Doctors are agreed which of them teaches the truest Divinity concerning this Point this Section may and it may not too require a farther Answer Till then we 'll leave them to dispute it 'T is pitty they should be parted Cadmus his Brood that came into the world an unnatural and extraordinary way are a proper Embleme of all Hereticks Their births are monstrous and their ends as odd Angry men that they are they cannot agree but without any other help will alwayes if let alone destroy one another Pag. 150. Sect. 13. He takes on to tell those under his Charge how matters stand in point of Religion and saith that we Catholicks dangerously err yes and injure Faith spoil Hope sin against Charity In a word we are men that bring Ruin to all Religion Faith we injure by creating new Articles To this we have answered in the first Chapter that not one new Article is created by us though the Church as occasion is may more clearly explicate some old ones and hath ever done so We spoil saith he our Hope by placing it on Creatures Answ Hope good Doctor is a Theological Vertue and hath God as he is our final good for its formal Object The finis qui is no Creature the possession of this infinit goodness by a clear Vision is Both these which will make us happy in Heaven we hope for and I think without offence Which way the Doctors Hope tends I know not We sin saith he again against Charity by damning all that are not of our Opinion Answ First the Doctor sins most grievously against Charity by damning all his Ancestours his great great Grand-Father and so upward for a thousand years why they were all old Papists and as he tells us had naughty Faith spoiled Hope great want of Charity the Salutary doctrine of Repentance torn in pieces c. But none can be saved with a Faith Hope Charity and Repentance spoyled and worth nothing Therefore his Ancestours with thousand thousands of others are in a sad condition and all damned by his doctrin I Answ 't is a Calumny to say we damn any for differences in Opinion Now if the Doctor will needs tell us what Faith and what Opinion is exactly in every Tenet he goes beyond his skill and takes on him to teach his betters Here is enough of his 13. Section where little is said and less proved CHAP. XXVI The Doctors wrongful Charge on Catholick Doctors His weak Exceptions against Ambiguity in Speech His causless Cavils His Faults and Mistakes PAg. 152. the Doctor begins his first Section thus That in the Church of Rome it is publickly taught by their greatest Doctors that it is lawful to lye or deceive the question of the Magistrate to conceal their name and tell a false one to elude all examinations and to make them insignificant and toothless cannot be doubted c. I Answ This Charge as it is laid out is most injurious Not one amongst us say's that a lye ever is or can be lawful in any circumstance it is alwayes naught and prohibited by the Law of God and nature None say that we may elude all examinations of the Magistrate The Proposition is of so vast extent all examinations that it looses credit with sober men True it is most grave Divines hold that in certain cases of danger and other concernments the ambiguous use of words yes and of mental restriction also is allowable but ever without a lye never without just cause and Reason Impious therefore were it to make use of this Restriction in Contracts Leagues Promises Vowes or Oaths yes and most blameable in ordinary Conversation But If a Confessor be asked by a Judge or any body else whether a penitent confessed such a Sin though confessed doth not the light of nature tell us the question is if possibly to be eluded or if pressed on utterly denyed with a No he did not hear it What will the Doctor answer here will he say yes He betrayes the Penitent and Sacrilegiously breaks the Seal of Confession If he stands dumb and say's nothing S. Austin lib uno de mendacio ad Consent cap. 13 post medium rightly observes in a like case of danger Tacendo eum prodimus per nostram vel taciturnitatem homo proditur that by saying nothing we do as good as disclose the Secret and tell where the concealed man lyes hid and if so much more doth the speechless Confessor in our case though he shakes his head twenty times speaks out too plainly the Penitents Sin The Doctor therefore with his excellent use of Confession in England and we with ours must of necessity find a way not on the one Side to lye for this is never Lawful and on the other to keep the Seal of Confession safe and inviolable How shall we do this I can argue if holy Jacob when he positively affirmed Gen. 27. 19. that he was his Fathers first begotten Son Esau yet was not told no lye as many Fathers hold wel may a Priest also now in the case now proposed though he positively affirms that he heard no such Sin in Confession when he heard it say no He heard it not Jacob said yes that he was Isack's first begotten yet was not and as we now suppose said it without a lye the Priest sayes No he heard not such a Sin when he heard it and this in like manner without a lye The Parity is right every way if Jacob was not a lyar Be it how you wil Christ our Lord certainly spake Truth when he told his Disciples Joan. 7. 8. non ascendo that he did not ascend to the Feast of the Jews yet when they went he blessed Lord ascended also Here is some ambiguity of Speech In the vulgar translation which I follow though the Greek reads 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 nondum ascendo and the Arabick nunc non ascendo and because uttered by our Saviour is wholy irreprehensible To clear all I ask of our Doctor what did this non ascendo spoken by eternal Truth signify He will answer that though the particle Non usually makes an absolute denyal and therefore the Apostles might wel think that our Lord would not go at all to the Solemnity yet here it was restrained and only denyed his visible or manifest ascending as may be gathered out of the ensuing words Non manifestè sed quasi in occulto He went but not openly If this answer may pass I argue The words of our Saviour non ascendo I ascend not when he did ascend were true though they had a restrained sense and only denyed the publick manner of his ascending not known to others Ergo these words of a Priest Non andivi I heard not such a Sin when he heard it in Confession are likewise true though they have a