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A iust and moderate answer to a most iniurious, and slaunderous pamphlet, intituled, An exact discouery of Romish doctrine in case of conspiracie and rebellion Wherein the innocency of Catholike religion is proued, and euery obiection returned vpon the Protestant accuser, and his owne profession. With licence of superior.
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Broughton, Richard.
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STC 18188; ESTC S112914
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this Dominion and your most fauoured be therein in the same case with your Suppliants that ancient faith and religion which wee defend cannot be cause to such offence for so all Catholikes in the world that be and euer were were to be censured by their Princes with such measure To professe that religion in a Protestant regiment cannot breede such variance for so all other Catholike subiects in all protestant Countries were in the same case And if one and the same religion can by any not appearing reason be feared by some subiect to suspitions at home which theiâ— politicke wisedome may suppose no forraigne protestant gouernment hath so sufficiently attended and considered we haue in the sincerity of our soules without all aequiuocation or doubtfull sence purged our selues from all jealosie of those opinions pretences or practises which our enemies could discouer worthy to bâ— obiected In answer whereof we haue both made manifest proofe that we doe not otherwise esteeme of the Protestants of this nation then our selues and those of the same faith with vs in all ciuill societies and communications that we giue the sâ—me temporall dutie loyalty and obedience to our Soueraigne honour to Nobles and loue to all that although we differ in religion yet we are so farre from making Protestants odious and vnworthy of mutuall communications in ciuill affaires that we defend their dignities magestâ—acy and rule against men of their owne profession We doe not assigne any soueraigne mere ciuill power ouer Princes as the Protestants in all places haue taught and practised neither any spirituall preeminence in any externe Prelate preiudiciall to Princes right as our opposers doe in Presbiteries and priuate Ministers we haue not denied either election or succession of Protestant Princes as our aduersaries haue done both to Catholikes and Protestants for their owne aduanâ—age our doctâ—ine denieth no obedience to you which was euer giuen to any Christian Prince of England from the first vnto the last King Henry the seuenth by whom and whose eldest Catholike Daughter your Highnesse is inthroned We doe not suggest the discouerers obiected forcible deposition of elected Princes Protestants haue depriued more in this short being of their Gospel by their popular mutenies and priuate authoritie than all Popes in all ages of christian religion with publike consent of Princes and people haue condiscended vnto Protestants haue taken Armes and raised generall rebellions more often against Princes not to be condemned than all Popes haue imposed censures by publike complaint against those which are noted in histories for extraordinary impious If any hath otherwise proceeded no Catholike may defend it wee doe not nor may not by our religion intend designe or practise iustifie or defend the murther of Princes or professe rebellions the discipline of the holy Church and generall Councells rules in our religion denie it for lawfull what priuileges protestancy claimeth what it hath taught and practised in that point Hungary Transiluania Germanie Bohemia Denmarke Heluetia Flanders Sweueland France Emâ—en your Maiesties kingdomes and your selfe haue beene witnesses for many yeares We doe not allow in opinion or may practise in act aequiuocation concealed double or secret sence in affaires of Common-weale and iuridicall interrogatories and profession of religion They be Protestants which defend and practise it in such causes not iustifiable in true diuinitie Our Priests neither vnder that reduplicatiue formalitie as Priests nor otherwise maintaine by our religion any position or pactise seditions or not obedient if any particular men for want of learning haue seemed to speake or thinke or for want of grace dealt or practised in other sence no religion made all men Saints religion did not teach it and Catholikes generally condemne it Therefore our confidence cannot but continue that the Royall promises of your highest Authority of Lenitie of no bloud for Religion shall not be recalled The demerritt of a fewe is no generall impediment The Scriptures instruct vs anima quae peccauerit ipsa moriatur one man must not be are the burthen of others sinnes All Schooles agree that no man can condignelie meritte first grace to any other though but one then the transgression of one or fewe cannot be demeritte for innocents to be afflicted great is the difference of the members in a naturall and ciuill body in this cause though the first doe suffer in some sence together by connexion in nature yet in the second the case and reason is different Remember most worthy Prince not only how grieuous but how generall the penalties against your Catholiques be enacted And yet new threatnings be made that new and more straunge as nec inter gentes shall be ordained The bodies honours reputations and riches of husbands to be punished for their wiues religion and soules to which they are neither husbands nor superiors Children to be taken from Parents Parents to be depriued of theiâ— education which Catholike Princes doe not and in conscience cannot offer to the Iewes themselues though in some opinion the slaues of Christians Children seruants kinsmen and neighbors are to be made hired Espialls to betray their parents masters kinred friends in things as vnlawfull which the whole Catholique world honoureth for holy and they venture their soules and fempitermtie that they be such commendable Artes Functions of phisicke c. which haue not connexion with Religion are to be put to silence in Catholikes The seuere penaltie for not monethlie professing the Protestant faith in Churches when in all diuinitie the precept of Profession of true and vndoubted faith in se and ex se bindeth but seldome is to be increased And others of such condition too many here to be mentioned and too grieuouâ— and vnnaturall we hope in your Princelie opinion to be concluded by a Kings consent Therefore vnder sauour for all I instance in one most heauie and generall in those of our deceased Queene All Priests though neuer so dutifull or obedient be censured for Traitors equally with the greatest offendor in sinne of Treason when many guiltlesse soules of that sacred order would not for thousands of worlds once consent to any such or a farre inferior offence A thing most straunge and beyond all example that men in respect only of their calling and function and that function so reuerenced by all our forefathers should without further cause be condemned as guilty of so a detested crime We defend holy priesthood to be a sacrament which being ordained by God cannot be changed by man Pope Prelate or humane power but remaineth in al things substance and doctrine the same which in those dayes when it was so honorably esteemed of all your christian progenitors when our mother Church kept her first integrity by your Highnesse iudgement as we are ready to make defence And if your Maiesty should decree the like law against any degree or profesâ—ion of your other subiects or the king of France or other Prince in other estate of men should enact by
Peâ—â—tâ—on and the Vniuersiâ—ieâ— Protestâ—nts in their Answere to his Mâ—iestieâ—â—eâ—suâ—e to be chaunged or continued and in essentiall pointâ— and neâ—â—ssarie â—â—â—â—â—ation as the Puâ—â—tanes haue oft written wiâ—â— the condâ—â—â—e them to haue â—â— faith â—t all true faith cannot be châ—â—nged corrected then to be obstâ—nately addicted â—o their profesâ—ion Thirdly many defend that although a man desireth to be ignorant of the trâ—th and so professeth heresy in igâ—â—rance though he sinnâ—â—h gâ—ieâ—ouslâ— in such case yet he is not to be accounted an Hereticke Fourthly Caâ—uâ— hoâ—dâ—th that a man douâ—â—â—â—â— in his fâ—â—â—h 〈◊〉 l. 1â— de loc â— 9. â—â— 4. common and gâ—â—â—râ—ll tâ—iâ—g with â—nglish â—râ—tâ—stâ—nts is not preperlâ— an Heretâ—â—ke Fiftly all Hereâ—iâ—kes as inteâ—nall be not sâ—biect to Censâ—â—â— and Excoâ—mâ—nâ—caâ—â—on Sixtly before â—â—comâ—â—nâ—câ—tiâ—n no commâ—niâ—aâ—ion is fâ—rbiden 〈…〉 with any 〈…〉 obiâ—cteâ—h from â—aâ—â—â—mitanus that where the 〈◊〉 is notoâ—â—on sâ—ch as â—his 〈◊〉 vs. Heresie 1. 〈…〉 not any declâ—ratâ—on of â—â—â— sâ—ntence of Excommuniâ—â—â—ion 〈…〉 absolâ—tely agâ—inst tâ—e greâ—test 〈…〉 general 〈…〉 by wâ—ose decâ—â—e tâ—e 〈◊〉 must be both so censuâ—â—d â—nd 〈…〉 which consenteth Cunerns Nauarre and others Sixtly also after such proceedings except specially excepted Concil Const Suares de Censur gloss c. Cum desideras de sent excommun the case of wife children seruants c. bringeth exemption Seauenthly no Protestant or hereticke or Archehereticke not excommunicate by name as none in England is lyeth subiect to any penalty pretended Obiect But it will be obiected from the second Reason that Catholikes holde the Pope head of the Church to haue a ciuill power also ouer Kings and circa omnia temporalia therfore he may both depose Princes and commaund subiectes to arme against them once excommunicate Resp First I aunswere concerning Priests most maligned in this matter that the canon Lawe itselfe is to the contrary where be these words De Episcopis vero vel quibuslibet Clericis quod nec sua Decret 2 paâ—â— caus 23. q. 8. De episcopis c. authoritate nec authoritate Romani pontificâ— arma accipere valeant facile probatur Neyther Bishops nor any Clerks may take armes either by their owne authority or the authority of the Pope of Rome And reasons be added there authorized by Gregory 13. alleadged here against vs in this Treatise Therefore all of that order be absolutely freed from that ielousie and may answer with Ambros orat contra Auxent S. Ambrose against Auxentius Quid ergo turbamini volens nunquam ius deseram coactus re pugnare non noui potero dolere poero flere potero gemere aduersus arma milites Gothos quoque lacrimae meae mea armasunt talia enim sunt manimenta Sacerâ—otis aliter nec debeo nec possum resistere Therefore why are you troubled willingly I neuer will forsake right compelled I know not to resist I may be sorie I may weepe I may groane against Armes souldâ—ers and the Gothes also my teares are my armour for such are the defence of Priests otherwise I neyther ought nor can resist Secondly I aunswere if any man holde that opinion of such a power ouer Princes in Popes yet they will plead it is more tollerable to defend such authority in one supreame Pastor and spirituall gouernor in the Church whereof Princes be sheepe and not sheepeheardes as the late wise Lord Treasurer acknowledged of Queene Elizabeth that shee was Ouis and not Pastor then to committe the censuring of Princes cases to such seditious iudges and superiors as Protestant both publique positions and practises assigne by which not only euery Wickliffe Luther Caluine Cranmer Knoxe and such supreame men but the artizans and basest people in euery Eldershippe may sitte in iudgement vpon their Soueraigne Cite Excomunicate and Depose him euen for ordinarie offences as themselues expound conuenient for their owne aduantage as I will alleadge from their publique opinions hereafter Obiection And if this man will instance that the Author of the booke De iusta abdicat Henric. 3. teacheth and excomuni consensu that it is lawfull for a priuate man to kill a Tyrant Answer I answere it is more then disobedience for any subiect in England to make such comparison with his mercifull Prince And yet whatsoeuer that priuate Author writeth or this Disputer citeth from him that opinion is not the common consent but against not only the common Alphons Castr contr Haeres v. tyrannus Petrus Gregorius in fine 2. to de Republ. Cuneâ—us â—e offic priecip christian Hentic quodl 6. q. 23. Turrecâ— l. 2. c. 113. Couoâ— Victor de potest eccl concil 1. q. â— Palat. 4 D. 25. Turrect l. 1. c. 87. consent of Catholike authors Alphonsus de Castro Petrus Gregorius Cunerus and others but against the generall councell of Constance it selfe to which all Catholikes must conform them selues Secondlie I answere for all Catholickes in generall to the maine Obiection that Henricus Victor Iohannes de Turrecr Couoruuius and the common opinion of Schooles doe teach that there is no such mere Temporall and Regall power in Popes ouer Princes and ciuill affaires but a Supreame spirituall as that is which they clayme in Temporalls in ordine ad Spiritualia and is not to vse this Disputers words Aciuill power Soueraigne ouer Kings directly but only a spirituall preeminence the subiect obiect office and end thereof being such for the spirituall good and behoofe of the church of Christ committed to his Vicar and chiefe Delegate here on earth by commission of feeding gouerning ruling binding loosing shutting opening and the like in holy Scripture and authoritatiuely citeing summoning admonishing and censuring both sheepe and other sheepeheards of our Sauiours flocke Yet thirdly I answere that the defendors of this sentence doe farther teach that this iurisdiction and power against sheepe or inferior sheepeheards is not to be put in practise but in cases of obstinacie contempt and incorrigibilitie in the offendor and being onely for the profite and vtilitie of the Spouse of Christ his mysticall body it may not be exercised where greater losse domage and hazard then good and profite is to ensue from thence The cause must be iust the suggestion not vntrue the meanes not turbulent tending to destruction Fourthly the maintainers of this doctrine doe not vrge greater indignitie or defend any sentence more offensiue in equallingement to any prelate sheepe or sheepheard then to the chiefest sheepeheaâ—d vnder Christ the Pope himâ—eâ—fe for they all with one consent affirme that in case of heresiâ— now in question hee 〈◊〉 v. paâ— 2. §. 4. palud ib. eiâ—t Turrecr li. 2 sum c. â—0â— l 4 c. 18. Aug. de Anâ—on â—astâ— l. de iust haeret â—â—nit â—ot 4 dâ—â—t 12 q. â— â—â—tic 2. Can. l. 4 de loc c. vlt. Coâ—dub l b. quaestionâ—r q. 11. is eyther actually and really deposed or to be deposed The Canonists doe holde he is ipso facto deposed if hee fall into herâ—sie