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A92033	Lux veritatis or, Christian judicial astrology vindicated, and demonology confuted: in answer to Nath. Homes, D.D. Wherein his allegations of the learned, reasons, divine proofs, and arguments, are particularly examined and convinced. With the legality of the art maintained and warranted by Scripture. Whereunto is annexed, a short discourse of that great eclipse of the sun, March 29. 1652. By William Ramesey Gent. student in astrologie and physick.	Ramesey, William, 1627-1675 or 6.	1651 (1651)	Wing R209; Thomason E1341_1; Thomason E1351_3; Thomason E1341_1*; Thomason E1351_4; ESTC R209141	67,612	156

contrariwise Astrologie dealeth with such things as are performed by Art and nature with the will of man indirectly and accidentally and his inclinations temperature and dispositions as also with his affections and body and with natural secondary causes and general accidents and contingencies but if men will contrary to the rules of Art undertake to go beyond it and abuse both the Art and themselves shall any one therefore conclude positively it is unlawful not efficacious or consistent with either reason or truth Sure thus to affirm is as simple in any man as for me to say Religion is Diabolical false frivolous inconsistent with reason and truth because there are heresies crept therein Schismes and Sects Wherefore I shall desire all to whom this my weake and small Treatise shall come that they would not so inconsiderately and rashly condemn what they understand not but first throughly weigh every particular argument and reason therein before a censure proceed from their lips yet I must be plain with thee I neither fear nor care for thy rash conclusions for since I know it will be acceptable to all impartial and judicious souls I shall rest content since no man living can please all people I shall be very glad if I have any whit been servicable to the Students herein to whom I wish all prosperity and could wish that all ingenious souls would apply themselves to the study thereof which they may lawfully and safely do for any hurt the antagonists thereof hath done it for I do with all my heart love all those that apply themselves to knowledge and my misfortune is so much the more increased that I am acquainted with so few of the students of this noble Art of Astrologie to whom as also to thy self I wish all happinesse and remaine Thy loving friend W. RAMESEY Die ☿ 4. Decembris 1650. The Contents of every Chapter and Section contained in this Treatise CHAP. I. IN Answer to his Distinctions Descriptions Observations and nature of Astrologie wherein he is taught what Astrologie is and his Distinctions and descriptions proved meerly erroneous and convinced as malicious ignorant and inconsistent with reason or honesty or to say sus sacerdos Page 1. Section I. Wherein is demonstrated and taught the definition of Astrologie p. 1. Section II. In answer to some cavils of Mr. Homes's wherein he denyeth Astrologie to be warranted by Scripture proved erronious and false p. 4. Section III. Proving Astrologie to be an Art p. 13. Section IV. Proving the lawfulnesse of Astrologie being not impugned by Scripture nor Councels but allowed of by the wisest and greatest of men p. 15. Section V. Demonstrating the antiquity of Astrologie p. 27. Section VI. Shewing Astrology to be the profitablest study revealed under the Sun to Mortals p. 29. CHAP. II. IN Answer to the opinions of the learned touching Astrologie wherein is further shewn the legality of Astrologie that the Stars are both signes and causes and that Mr. Homes his quoting the Fathers and learned is meerly fallacious and envious and no wise available to his intent and purpose p. 37. Section I. Wherein is farther shewn the legality of Astrologie p. 38. Section II. Wherein is shewn that the Stars are signes and causes p. 39. Section III. Wherein his Allegation against the ground of the Art is condemned and his bringing St. Austin and Galen against it proved fallacious injurious and malicious and how farre we ought to attribute to the power of the Stars p. 46. Section IV. Wherein Astrologie is defended against his Allegations from Mr. Perkins's words p. 54 Section V. Wherein his cavilling Mr. Briggs and others are convinced page 56. CHAP. III. WHerein his divine proofs against Astrologie are examined and confuted p. 59. Section I. Wherein his first Scripture proof viz. Deut. 18. verse 10. is convinced and cleared no wise condemn Astrologie p. 60. Section II. Wherein his second proof is refelled viz. Esay 2.6 p. 69. Section III. Wherein his third Text is convinced viz. Esay 44.25 p. 72. Section IIII. Wherein his fourth proof is refelled viz. Esay 47.12 13 14. p. 77. Section V. Wherein his fifth proof is proved weak as to his purpose viz. Ier. 10.2.3 p. 85. Section VI. Wherein his sixth poof is refelled viz. Dan. 2.1 2 3 4 5. p. 91. CHAP. IV. WHerein his reasons and arguments against Astrologie are particularly examined and condemned neither to consist with reason or truth p. 95. Section I. Wherein his first four-fold reason is convinced ibid. Section II. Wherein his objection touching the diversity of twins is refelled as also some other quirks against Astrologie examined and convinced p. 101. Section III. Wherein his indeavours to prove Astrologie of no truth or certainty as also it's rules and principles are themselves of lesse truth or ground nay and indeed sensless p. 113 Section IIII. Wherein he thinketh the ground of the Art wholly shaken and overthrown by affirming it meerly imaginary viz. the ninth and tenth sphear and in them the Zodiack therein proveth and sheweth his own ignorance the more apparently manifest p. 129. CHAP. V. Wherein the confutation of the objections that are brought for Astrologie are examined and refelled p. 130. LVX VERITATIS OR Christian judicial Astrology VINDICATED In Answer to Doctor Nathaniel Homes CHAP. I. In answer to his Distinctions Descriptions Observations and nature of Astrologie Wherein he is taught what Astrologie is and his Descriptions and Distinctions proved meerely erroneous and convinced as malicious ignorant and inconsistent with reason or honesty Or to say Sus sacerdos Section I. The Definition of Astrologie THat the Reader may the better judge of the controversie between Doctor Homes and my self I think best here before I enter upon any part of his discourse to set down what this Art of Judicial Astrologie is which I undertake to defend Ptolomie Lib. 1. Cap. 1. Of his Quadripartite defines it thus Astrologie is that Art joyning it with Astronomy as making no difference betweene them though Mr. Homes and other Adversaries thereunto do which teacheth by the motions Configurations and Influences of the Signes Starres and Coelestial Planets to judge and prognosticate of the natural effects and mutations to come in the Elements and inferiour and Elementary bodies And who so takes Astrologie to be any other thing is altogether ignorant of the Art or guilty of inveterate malice in traducing so noble and admirable a science esteemed and allowed of in all ages and that in great reverence and honour as well as the students thereof as in it's due place shall be made to appeare by the chiefest and noblest of the people Though Doctor Homes would faine perswade the vulgar and ignorant sort of people that it is a Doctrin of Devils unlawfull which shall in it's due place be made to appeare as also the rest of his weake arguments and cavils that they are meerely malicious ignorant weake and inconsistent with reason or the thing in question which that he

LVX VERITATIS OR CHRISTIAN JUDICIAL Astrology VINDICATED AND Demonology Confuted In Answer to NATH HOMES D.D. Wherein his allegations of the Learned Reasons Divine proofs and Arguments are particularly examined and convinced With the legality of the Art maintained and warranted by Scripture Whereunto is annexed a short Discourse of that Great Eclipse of the SUN March 29. 1652. By WILLIAM RAMESEY Gent. Student in Astrologie and Physick London Printed by J. B. for Nath. Brooke at the Angel in Cornhill 1651. To all wel-willers and lovers of ART Gentlemen IT is true I may looke for when I seriously consider my own insufficiency and lack of good utterance and a pleasing oratorious phrase many censures and be perplexed with doubts whether I have or no chosen the better part since most or the generality of men are carried away sooner with a pleasing and deluding tongue then truth delivered in an homely or mean stile especially since this most noble study that I undertake here to defend is so vulgarly traduced and commonly both ill spoken of which indeed at the first was some disheartning to my undertakings yet because my Antagonists Coat is such as that a word against Astrologie sheltred under it will by the vulgar be more heeded then an Oration from another and this noble Art in danger hereby to suffer most falsely an ill esteeme in their opinions for the well wishes I owe both to it the truth and all ye the students therein and lovers of learning whatsoever I thought good rather to incur the harsh censure of some then by my silence to give occasion to the ignorant and enemies thereof to vaunt themselves against it and truely notwithstanding all this I had not thus taken him up since neither he nor any one else can say ought against this science but what hath been formerly most fully answered Looke Pirovanu Goclenius Bellantius Maraseallettes and Sir Christoph Heydon but for the Readers satisfaction who perhaps would have concluded had no body undertaken to answer him he had been past answering I very much fear there are many most grosse faults and mistakes in this Treatise it being pen'd at that instant of time I was more perplexed and troubled then in all my life before my occasions being such that I had no time to study a better method or correct what hath escaped it being the fruits of what my weake Genius did produce in every house and place I came in in pursuance of my then occasions where I could happily meet with the least occasion Yet my hope is that in what I have been defective as I doubt not but your piercing judgements will soon discover you will both support supply and amend hoping also ye will accept of the will for the deed to whom I here Dedicate both my self and weak labours to serve you to my weak power W. RAMESEY Die ☿ 4. Decembris 1650. To the unpartiall READER Courteous Reader AS there is nothing more ridiculous amongst the learned then to conclude before a through understanding be in the matter in question and controversie so is there nothing more worthy or commendable in a man then to be patient and hear all nay and indeed both tales before judgement be given for the old saying is one tale is good till the other be heard and if this discourse be a thing beyond thy knowledge I should desire thee first Legere perlegere tunc judicare Read and read it over and over before thou judge This very same Art of Christian Judiciall Astrologie which I here defend being by the vulgar in general some few years since and also by some otherwise knowing and discreet condemned as Illegal Diabolical and indeed to be little better then Witchcraft I also as ignorant therein at that time as themselves concluded so too yet upon an cccasion one day I desired a Gentleman that was extream hot in words onely against it to do me the favour as to acquaint me with his knowledge of the unlawfulness thereof that so I might have some ground for my then ill conceit thereof as also to be better able to uphold my opinion but to be short I could get nothing of consequence out of him that could any wise prejudice the validity of the Art but onely he believed so and how could any man tell him any thing that he knew not himself without dealing with the Devil or being a Witch which me thoughts was so ill becoming a man of judgement and understanding to have no better reasons nor grounds for his high words that I was even ashamed I was of his opinion and therefore thought it much more commendable to be silent thereafter in such matters which I understood not then to condemn an Art onely with words and no sound argument Whereupon being very much desirous to be satisfied in the verity and legality of this most famous Art of ASTROLOGIE The Authors first inducement to the study of Astrologie which so many discreet Gentlemen would sometime ignorantly condemn I applied my self to the study thereof which after some expence of time and paines I found to be so apparently true and lawful that these flashes of my friends against it was quickly manifest to me proceeded meerly from ignorance and tradition Wherefore Reader that thou maist not in the least be mistaken herein as the antagonists and enemies thereof are to condemn the Arts legality for the abuse of the Artist who will out of vaine-glory and pride often undertake to predict impossible things I mean which this Art cannot reach unto and so for their simplicity abuse thereof give occasion to condemn that which of all studies is the most delectable comfortable true and lawfull not knowing indeed what it is they would condemn and so deceive both themselves and reader But that thou maist not herein be deceived I say I will here declare unto thee the whole power and subject of Astrologie The whole power subject of Astrologie and that first Negatively and next Affirmatively Negatively First that the Rules of Astrologie doth not meddle with vaine contingents or such as have an indifferent respect to the opposites as depending upon unknown or indeterminate causes which may happen one way or other Secondly mans will is not subject to the influence of the Stars neither hath Astrologie to do with it but accidentally so far as the soul with the faculties thereof follow the temperature of the body neither doth Astrologie meddle with the providence of God Astrologers most falsly impeached to be searchers of the secrets of God or shew a cause of miracles nor with the secrets of God for they are past finding out saith the Scripture Ergo Astrologers that are but men that contemplate natural causes are falsly and most scandalously abused when thus impeached And thirdly Astrologie or the influence of the Stars have no fatall necessity except some contingency be mixt therewith for this were to deny the providence of God But

may not be ignorant of as also for the better understanding of the Reader I doe here more plainly rehearse by way of Quere viz. First whether Astrologie or fore-telling or Prognosticating by the Starres be a lawfull Art free from all Diabolical practises and devices Secondly Whether Astrologie may not lawfully be studied and practised by the best of Gods people without offence in the least either to the law of God or man if they concur with the rules of the Scripture which is the full matter in controversie and to be in this following discourse discussed handled and cleered and if so then certainly the malicious ignorant condemners of this Noble and most profitable Art studied by mortals as in it's due place shall appeare ought to be severely punished and that with examplary infliction that posterity may take warning how they condemne what they are ignorant of and likewise be incouraged to apply their minds to the contemplation and knowledge of all Arts and Sciences especially this most heavenly and divine study of Astrologie or the language of the Stars Now you have heard the distinction of Astrologie the subject intended by it you may not onely see the causes which concur to the constitution of the nature of the Art but also the finall cause whereunto all the precepts of the Art are to be referred seeing then the knowledge of the effects of the Starres in the Elements and their bodies dependeth of the motions Configurations and Influences of the Coelestial bodies Astronomy and Astrology both are one Art Astronomy or Astrologie for by the learned there is made no distinction between them as severall Arts but generally conclude them as indeed they are one and the same Art is divided into two parts the first speculative or theorical which consisteth in the knowledge of the heavenly motions the other part is that which consisteth in the effects and properties of the former motions and without this viz Astrologie the other is meerly vaine and of no use or to none or little purpose the former viz. Astronomy furnisheth the Astrologer with matter and stuff wherein to exercise himselfe the other viz. Astrologie disposeth the matter and accordingly judgeth as the case doth require and therefore to be esteemed the more noble part of this Science SECT II. In answer to some cavels of Mr. Homes his wherein be denyeth Astrologie to be warranted by Scripture proved erroneous and false HAving thus painted forth the matter and forme of the thing intended to be insisted on I come now to shew you what Mr. Homes his utmost power and malice against it is and first his blind zeal begins to shew it self in perswading the Reader it is condemned by the Scripture and no wise thereby tollerated his words are It is no where allowed in the Scripture under the notion of Astrologie but every where spoken against as we shall see afterward and all that he can shew us and make us see is but six places of Scripture which is farre from being worthy of the Title of a generall condemnation when there is none but knowes the extent of the Scripture to consist of many halfe dozen Chapters nay of books Ergo not envy where condemned and those places neither but imagined by him to condemne Astrologie when indeed they serve no whit at all for his purpose as in it's due place shall be made appeare But he thinks these words to be of force enough to astonish and discomfort the ignorant from the study thereof and therefore as a warning peece or that his other windy reports may better take and be more heeded and beleeved he prefixeth this slanderous and most false and wicked saying and truly for his pollicy he is worthy applause for mistrusting his words should be little regarded he colours them with a preface as it were of Religion Astrologie allowed of by Scripture yet this will not keepe him from being ridiculous to the wiser and more learned sort of people But by the way is it every where condemned doth not the King and Prophet David say The heavens declare the glory of God Psal 19.1 and in another place The language of the Stars which is the signification of the word Astrologie 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the language of the Stars and is it not allowed any where in Scripture under the notion of Astrologie Is heard over all the earth or the utmost parts thereof Psal 19.3 as if he had sayd there is no part free from the power of their Influences for their power hath a general extent over all Nations Kingdomes Countries Provinces and Languages I pray who can restraine the sweet influences of the Pleiades Job 38.31 And did not the Starres in their courses fight against Sisera Judg. 5.20 One of these places had been enough to have convinced him of great wickednesse in denying the Scripture doth any where allow of Astrologie for if he never read these places then he is wicked and no lesse then wilfully wicked to conclude what he understands not if he hath perused them then most malicious to speak against truth I may even as well say diabolically wicked Mr. Homes himself rather to be imputed a teacher of the Devils Doctrin then Astrologers and that he teacheth rather the Doctrin of Devils for the Devils Doctrin is falsehood and if he preacheth such gross lyes as these he is the Devils preacher and not Astrologers neither is Astrologie a Doctrin of Devils as shall be made clear to him before the closure of my discourse as he in his 160 page line 21. is pleased to terme it So then now I hope the Reader doth clearly see these his first words of his discourse to be meerly envyous slanderous and malicious or at the best most ignorant for it will puzzle all his braines and Mr. Raunces nay and all that dare or will take their parts to make any one of those passages of Scripture he brings to confute or condemne Astrologie to serve in the least for his turn as in it's due place shall be cleared Then saith Mr. Homes as other things that are naturall which are brought to countenance Astrologie are not tollerated by the Encyclopedia and general order and seales of all Arts and Sciences within their own spheres to be accounted Astrologie For instance First saith he Some urge that we know the tydes of the Sea by the state of ☽ and tempests by other Stars which I am confident Mr. Homes cannot denye but he will render himselfe more ridiculous then already which he indeavours to do thus these and of the like nature are properly handled in that part of natural Philosophie which we call Meteorologie and so likewise are all fiery Meteors Comets c. and so by consequence are made an integral part of Physicks for if you will say because of their external efficient cause viz. the Starres they are to be handled as a part of Astrologie by the same reason there will be left

no such Science as natural Philosophie because all inferiour bodies below the Moon as sayeth the great Philosopher Aristotle depend upon the superiour Celestial bodies of the heavens In all which he doth but shew his great mistake in the ground of Astrologie and his envy thereto for how can Mr. Homes prove this is a meer urging or an opinion of some that the ☽ is the cause of the ebbing and flowing of the Sea or that it is rather to be attributed to that part of natural Philosophie which is called Meteorologie and so consequently to be a part of Physicks when all the world knows that hath any experience or understanding in Astrology that he is as far from hitting the mark as if he had mist the Butt Wherefore for his better instruction for I see he is not so well verst in Astrology as he pretendeth or as one that is to condemne it should be I will make it appear to him that the ☽ is the absolute cause of the ebbing and flowing of the Sea and this is the opinion of all or most knowing and learned writers both in this Art and other Sciences and not onely so but it is so clear to all the learned that his great friend Picus Mirandula which was a stronger Champion or at least more knowing in the Art then he against Astrologie doth confess the ☽ to be the positive and sole cause thereof And thus The ☽ the cause of the ebbing and flowing of the Sea if he have any understanding in the Art as by his writing I must confesse as I but now sayed I see none let him take the true time of the Seas flowing first and then observe in what part of heaven the ☽ is accidentally placed by her violent diurne motion and he shall find it to flow till she come to an absolute □ aspect of the place she was in at it's first beginning to flow and then will continue ebbing till she come to the direct ☍ or opposite place in the heavens c. Still let him observe exactly when she comes to the □ or ☍ of the place of her first beginning and he shall never erre in this point this is sufficiently well known to the learned Practitioners and the sonnes of Art yet note that ☉ and other Starres may hasten hinder and alter the ☽ influence as he may see at ☌ and ☍ of ☉ or the change and full in spring tides and neap tides at quarters and half quarters I would he had not been ignorant of this and then perhaps this being the beginning of his discourse he had not undertook to lay pen to Paper against this most heavenly most admirable and most contemplative delectable study and science of the Stars and Coelestial bodies So by this time he clearly sees how inconsiderate and rash this his sophistical and false argument is Secondly saith Mr. Homes others say that by Astrologie we know Eclipses and Changes of the Moon but we say Astronomy doth challenge this as belonging to it c. My answer is that I say what ever he telleth me others may or do say he cannot but know that those that say so are not versed therein and are as ignorant to apply or attribute this part of the practick viz. Astrologie to the Theoricall part viz. Astronomy as he is to make a distinction between the one and the other as two distinct Arts when Ptolomie whom the most learned follow in his book chap. 1. of his Quadripartite as above said defining Astrologie maketh no distinction between the one and the other but that the one is Theoricall the other Practicall And thirdly How doth he define by all his rabble the Art of Astrologie saith he If any one urge that Astrologie bandles of the qualities and effects of the stars we Reply that so doth Astronomie of their qualities namely of their light and colour and naturall Philosophie of their effects in watry ayrie and fiery meteors as much as to say Astrologie is no Science at all but will give its property to another study if this be not slanderous and malicious let the weakest in the world judge he might as well then all this while have called it Natural Philosophy as Astrologie and then he tels us if we admit of the Title Alsted gives to Astrologie viz. Astrologia planetaria or Planetary Astrologie and of Doctor Willets titles viz. Astromaney Genethliaca then saith he for conclusion by all observe that there is no place left for Astrologie by which he clearly renders himself the most malicious of all wretches to deny that Art which above 298. The learned and famous Sir Christopher Heydon recordeth them which you have verbatim by and by of the most wise men of all ages have studied and practised their names you shall have hereafter in its place both before and since Christs time whose antiquity may be derived from our first father Adam maintained by Princes and Kings reverenced by that greatest of worthies Alexander the Great and not condemned by any of the Fathers or the practice thereof prohibited by the Church farther then that they should not hereby be drawn from the study of Divinity as you shall see by and by Mr. Homes me thinks being a wise man should not write against and that in such a zealous manner a thing which is not in rerum natura or in posse as in his first Section of his tenth Chapter he studies to make Astrologie appear to what purpose then are all his arguments against Astrologie when he will not admit of any such thing in the world what doth he write against then and why doth he so much condemn the students thereof because he knows not the validity thereof because he knows not the rules and fundamentals thereof because indeed he is altogether ignorant of the same and let him not be angry I plainly tell him so plain dealing is best among friends for if he did he would have been so far from writing or speaking against it that he would have been more furious and hot with any one should have condemned it then I am with him for he that will speak against what he knoweth not and bring false scandalous and sophisticall arguments to maintain his opinion he I say would certainly terme that man no better then a fool or at the best a knave to write against what he knows and can also prove to be true but I will not be so hot with him But now that he may see his errour in offering to undertake to put men out of conceit with this heavenly study I will shew him here before I begin to answer his second Section in that which I have to say to it though this will sufficiently refel it First that Astrologie is an Art Secondly the lawfulness of it being not impugned by Scripture nor councels but allowed of by the wisest and greatest men Thirdly the antiquity of it Fourthly that it is the profitablest study under

laugh when he should weep and sow when he should reap is unseasonable and maketh himself ridiculous according to that of the Poet Virgil. Multi ante occasum maia caepere sed istos Expectata seges vanis elusit aristis Wherefore if this be the true interpretation or signification of the word he must speak against that superstitious observation of times which the Heathen used and that superstitious people at this present do use the very same I may say to Mr Homes if he know any practitioner of the Art that maketh any superstitious use thereof let him be brought forth and condemned I 'le assure him he shall see me as ready to assist him therein and be as forward as himself But that it can be applyed against observing of such times as depend upon evident causes and reasons in nature which onely Astrologie prescribeth as abovesaid none but that man that hath no judgement can imagine Looke the 2 chapter of this Treatise where Astrologie is helpful o husbandry And you have heard before Ptolomy himself as well as St. Augustine and all the best learned Astrologers do absolutely neglect the superstitious and sortilegious elections of the Heathen wherefore the Reader seeth that this text were the interpretation admitted impugneth them nothing at all But in answer to Mr. Homes his expositors take the interpretation of the word Gnonan as the same Sir Christopher Heydon delivers it by Mr Edward Lively professour of the Hebrew in Cambridge to Queen Elizabeth being a man for his singular knowledge in all kind of good learning but especially in Divinity and the tongues of great estimation and authority in that University who was solicited by Sir Christopher Heydon to deliver his opinion and judgement of the Hebrew word because it was objected by Mr Chamber that Tremelius did interpret it planetarius wherefore for the Readers better satisfaction I have hear delivered it verbatim as that worthy Knight hath it I have looked in all the Hebrew Scripture wherein that word is used examining as well the judgements of the Hebrew Scoliastes in their Commentaries as also many of the best translations Caldee Greeke and Latine among whom for the signification of that word I find this general agreement that it signifieth an unlawfull and forbidden Art of Soothsaying or Juggling or Sorcery or Witchcraft but touching the certaine and speciall kind thereof there is such dissention and disagreement among them as thereby it may sufficiently appear the very proper and clear signification thereof in specie to be utterly unknown for Aben Ezra in his Commentary upon the 19. Chapter of Levit. ver 26. deriving it from the word Gnonan which signifieth a cloud understood those thereby who by the formes and movings of the clouds foretold things to come Avenarius from the same root understood Juglers which cast a cloudy mist before their eyes to cover and hide their deceitful slights R. Solomon on the same place referreth it to a word Gnonah which noteth time supposing such to be meant as took upon them to define times of good or bad luck for the doing of things others fetching it from the word Gnanath which signifieth to answer understood Soothsayers which being asked of secret matters answered according to their skill as by like reason barioli were so called quasi farioli a fando as some of the ancient learned have observed some from gnajin signifying an eye thought Juglers to be noted which do perstringere oculos that their legerdemaine may not easily be espied here is great diversity of opinions but none commeth to Tremelius his mind for a planetary or of Mr Homes his Arabrick versions which it seems he is loath or at least ashamed to nominate yet he might as well have wronged them as Moses who he saith bringeth five strong arguments against the Astrological Art when al the world cannot shew that in all those verses viz. 10 11 12 13 14 15 16. of the 18. of Deut. nor indeed in the whole chap. that Astrologie is so much as mentioned yet some for a Jugler have agreed with him which signification of this word even Tremelius himself retaineth in the 19. Chap. of Levit. ver 26. and in the 2. of Esay ver 6. and divers other places thereby shewing the vanity of his own planetarius for if it properly and truly signifieth Prestigiatorem in any place I dare boldly say that it signifieth Planetarium in no place I may here omit anotable place in the 57. chap. of Esay ver 3. where this word is taken for Witchcraft beni gnonenah Witches children So it is interprepreted in our Geneva translation so likewise expounded by the Hebrew Doctors on that place Jarchi and Chimchi so translated by Mr Calvine a man for understanding of the Scripture indued with an admirable gift of judgement filii veneficae which by Kimchy is proved to be true by this reason Yet Mr Homes affirmeth Kimchy maketh mention of attributing good to one time and bad to another that the word Gnonenah there used is for the foeminine gender pertaining to a Woman because women saith he for the most part are given to the practising of this devillish Art it were madness to thinke women should have given themselves to the study of Astrologie or Planetary aspects a thing never used in any Common-wealth that ever I heard of but for Witchery every where to be found in them rife and common Here therefore I end for this matter confidently affirming that neither Tremelius if he were alive nor Junius nor any for them can prove that Planetarius is the clear and sure signification of Gnonen in any place of Scripture Thus far Mr. Lively And I may conclude this point with Sir Christopher Heydons words next ensuing viz. Wherefore I do conclude that if that which is before spoken be indifferently considered there is no man able demonstratively to argue to the condemnation of Astrologie out of this text SECT II. Wherein his second proof is refelled viz. Esay 2.6 ANd if so or rather seeing it is so then I may with more confidence affirme his second passage of Scripture to be lesse materiall in all respects for the blindest of people may clearly see it doth no whit by his owne words nay and argument so much as either hint or mean Astrologie Esay 2.6 Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob because they are replenished from the East and are Soothsayers like the Philistims where is Astrologie in all this the text tels us God had forsaken his people because they were Soothsayers but as for their being Astrologers I see nothing mentioned is not this a pretty scare-crow thinking any passage of the Scripture enough to condemn Astrologie whether it speaketh of it or no what does he thinke Astrologie to be Soothsaying then he should prove it so and I will assure him I shall endeavour then to speake as much against it as he can but if it be

rather upon their owne power and skil in contempt of God broke forth as appeareth verse 10. into these blasphemous speeches None seeth me Quasi dieat sayeth Tremelius ne deus quidem novit rationes meas nay God himselfe knoweth not my waies and again I am and none else and verse 7. I shall not sit as a Widow nor shall not know the losse of Children Thus denying both God and his power while they presume upon their owne But is this heathenish presumption and confidence to be imputed as a fault to Astrologie or is it not truly to be reputed the impiety of the professors and others with whom the Prophet dealeth who denying that to God which is due and ascribing more then they ought to the Stars and their own knowledge and power doe that which Astrologie never taught them and therefore is not guilty of their ungodliness This had beene well done of Mr. Homes also He ought then to make a difference between the heathen with whom the Prophet hath to doe and Christians against whom he writeth for though it be true that Christian Astrologers do monthly prognosticate as is mentioned in the Text by the consideration of the Stars yet is he not able to tax any of them with that derogation from God or impiety The difference between Astrologers and those that are condemned in the Text. which is here derided For to place confidence in Stars as in divine causes and powers is one thing and to esteeme them but as subordinate and second causes in nature is another the one maketh them Gods the other but Gods instruments which as our Astrologers doe acknowledge with one consent it is in his power to alter Nota bene as best pleaseth his divine will and therefore they are very far from that heathenish presumption and confidence here taxed whereby ye may see that the trust may be reproved yet the Art unchecked For I omit here to show that monthly prognostications grounded upon observation deduced from causes in nature Nota. have ever been permitted and suffered in all wel ordered and Christian Common-wealths so far as I know and that not only the Fathers and those latter Divines by me before remembred but even Mr. Calvin himselfe in his admonition with others that attribute as little as they may to this Art do allow thereof so far forth as they extend to the state of the Weather of Health Plagues Plenty Dearth and to the direction of the Physitian when to Purge by Pill when by Potion when by letting of blood this being as far as our prognostications proceed Nota. which neverthelesse would not have been suffered if God by his holy Prophet had shewed any detestation thereof or reproved the same as unlawfull and unchristian Wherefore when these adversaries condemn the Art for the abuses of Artists it is cleare that they do but play the sophisters deceiving by a plain fallacy ab accidente And lastly if it be considered what St. Hierom Hugo Aquinas Lyra Haymo and other ancient Expositers More you may read in the second Chapter of his booke have written upon this Text it is most certain that not one of them is so sharp sighted as to espie out any thing in this place that may prejudicate Astrologie but they all defend the same as fully as my self Wherefore if in this proof of Scripture Mr Homes be not as far mistaken as in all the rest of his fore-going cavils and maketh not himself appear to the eyes of the world to be a meere sophister let the impartiall judge for I dare confidently affirm that by the conclusion of this his cavill concerning this text he is as ignorant in the Art of Astrologie as from the true sense and meaning of the Prophet or from the art of administring Physick to sick women He is known to be a spirituall Doctor nay I am most confident he is herein farther a great deal out of the way then it is from Mary-stainings to Bred-street wherefore I cannot chuse but Pitty the poor Paster both for his mistake and absolute misse of his plot and purpose both of the one and the other I proceed therefore to his next Scripture proof SECT V. Wherein his fifth proof is proved weak as to his purpose viz. Jer. 10.2 3. FIfthly he strives to condemn Astrologie by the 10. of Jer. v. 2 3. but to as little purpose as in all the rest but with no less craft and deceit Juglar-like he indeavours to cast the mist of errour and mistake before the eyes of his reader that so he may carry on his design with more dexterity and agility the words are Learn not the way of the Heathen and be not dismaied at the signes of heaven for the Heathen are dismaied at them c. whereupon he inferreth Astrologie not to be lawful because as he thinks God here by the Prophet prohibiteth the Jewes to give credit to the Star-gazers but as I said before Astrologers hold no fatal necessity in the Stars Astrologers do not make the Stars gods but Gods instruments not in the least attributing fatall necessity to be in their power wherefore then consequently he argueth not against nor contradicteth nor condemneth Astrologers by these his cavils since they are as far from being guilty thereof as himself nay and I believe more for certainly he that will wrest the Scripture to condemn what he understandeth not meerly to shew himself a Time-server as it is known sufficiently Mr Homes is is a hypocrite and much to be feared whether he is not altogether as ignorant of God as of this Art But for the farther clearing of the text and the manifesting of Mr Homes his mistake if not wilfull malice let us hear what the same Sir Christopher Heydon saith in answer to the same place of Scripture alledged by Mr Chamber also to condemn Astrologie Whereupon Mr Chamber inferreth that the Prophet willeth the Jews to give no credit to the Star-gazers and Mr Homes trust or confidence page 134 opposite to the confidence and comfort in God But sure he that maketh this collection out of these words of the text never I think either gazed or looked upon them with half an eye for the Prophet prohibiteth fear Mr Chamber credit Mr Homes trust or confidence again the Prophet speaketh of the Stars themselves Mr Chamber of the persons that observe them so Mr Homes also wherefore what difference there is between the one and the other so far ought we to be from giving Mr Chambers assertion any credit and how shall Mr Homes his then take For if he will truly informe the reader he knoweth there is nothing prohibited in these words but that the Jews should not learn the way of the Heathen The meaning of the text which when he wresteth against Astrologie he doth both shew himself to be out of the way and to seeke to seduce others for to the creature as in these words fear