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A45320 A survay of that foolish, seditious, scandalous, prophane libell, the protestation protested. Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656. 1641 (1641) Wing H418; ESTC R533 36,914 52

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indeed you say as much that the King and Parliament because of the Liturgie imposed have denyed Jesus to be Christ Tiburne for you if you doe You indeed seem rather stained with this blasphemie who hath boldly and prophancly averred that bowing at that sacred name is idolatrie and as you jeere with the bad thiefe on the crosse Jesu-worship But let me from your own principles use one argument against you whosoever prescribeth to their people a set forme of prayer doe Lord it over the conscience and are the very Antichrist but your extemporarie prayers in publike are to your people a set forme of prayer you therefore are the Antichrist The major is your owne the subsumption is proved by this inevitable dilemma when you pray before your hearers either it is as their mouth to God or for your selves only if you say the last you contradict the action it selfe your expressions and the cause of your meeting and if the first must not the people joyne with you in word or at least in thought and is not this to bee stinced and tyed to aforme of prayer how raw and senselesse so ever By your sole Law-giver you expresse your thoughts of authoritie you can heare of no generall commission for ordering the House of God as place and time shall require but pardon me to beleeve the Apostle better then you who hath not in vaine appointed this qualification Omnia fiant decenter ordine if the Kings and States of Europe would bee pleased from this your tenet to learne what a moath a cancer-worme you are to all Superioritie and Iurisdiction you would be sent novos quaeritare orbes And for this cause the Pope say you is proved to be the Antichrist in that hee fitteth in and over the Temple of God that is as you please to Paraphrase it The consciences of men it had beene well you had spoken with application you are the onely men I know who must have all mens consciences squared by the supposition of your owne The will-worship you name is truely that you practise that is an affected contradictorious way in the service of God to Scripture to Antiquitie to the Church you live in to Discretion yea to Christianitie it selfe If by a Liturgie devised by men you understand mans devise it is a grosse calumnie a notorious untruth not a syllable in that Booke which is not either as the greater part the words of Scripture it selfe or cleerely deducible in the very Phrase from thence if your sense be that it is imposed by humane power you are no lesse mistaken there is either a particular warrant from Scripture or at the least a generall Commission granted for the ordering of the House of God which extends to the full latitude of the Booke if you had either impartialitie to conceive aright or conscience to obey but it may be you meane that men have contrived the Booke of Liturgie so they have the Apostles Creed which perhaps you for the same reason have rejected nor was ever the Church of God since the first Congregation of the Jewes in a politicke bodie to your last and worst dayes without a publike forme of service and worship We bid you therefore with Saint Augustins Erigere scal●● and goe up to heaven alone but againe Dat● venia●● nos non credimus that all the Churches of the Christian world have beene over-laid with Idolatrie and Antichristianisme till this late one of yours Having choaked as you think the Liturgie with this illpeec't discourse of yours concerning the Antichrist your second onset is upon the Ceremonies of the Church these you say because of mans devising and imposed upon the Conscience are also Popery you give no new reason nor I any new answer onely this there is no greater errour committed by you Sectaries then that because the Church of Rome hath thrust upon us some unnecessary many superfluous Ceremonies you would have the reformation to have none at all not confidering that Ceremonies as the hedge doe fence the substance of Religion from the indignities that prophanenesse and irreligion oftentimes put upon it Ceremonies though in the particular that is This or that be not necessarie in the generall they are how long we are men and do inhabite these our dull bodies we had much need of some visible helps to sti●re up our Devotion and to give a being a continuitie to publike decencie and order It is true the inward worship of the heart is the great service of God but the outward worship of God is the great witnesse to this whereby our light shineth to the world that men may glorifie our Father which is in Heaven now no outward worship without Ceremonies they the ancienter superfluity and Superstition laid aside the better so they fit time and place for you your are so spirituall though some think you no lesse carnall then your neighbours I am afraid your Religion may evapour in words turne in the smoak of a thin airy profession and as no substance of good works so leave no visibility of worship behind it though now while the heat of a party keeps in the fire you seem to have some zeal in your breasts if you were settled on your dregs and after this great motion returned to your cold bloud it is very possible you shall have no Religion 〈◊〉 all It were not hard to tell you here what happinesse Christians doe enjoy by the wholsome constitutions of a Church or State what peace what unity what concord what increase of ●●ll p●ety and vertue from thence And unity if it be not nature it selfe it is the first principle riveted by the hand of nature no essence no action without this sicknesse and Rebellion the two great confusions of the naturall and politique body do evidence this truth no subsistence no continuation of other but by a first cause a prime agent even your discipline must have unity and order in it if it have life and motion and this the more generall it is the better It s true the extension of good is not its touchstone yet this doth not hinder it to be communicative and that to the dimension of the body which is to be governed But now the matter imposed is left in its own nature indifferent still though not so in the practice and why this very same restraint enlargeth then Christian liberty for otherwise they would be in conscience obliged to abstain from every thing that the nice and peevish humorist should conceive to be offensive now being tyed by a Law they may use their freedome yea must preferre a necessary duty to an imaginarie scandall But this were to digresse nor are you for such peaceable thoughts for you love that order and not any besids it that may be raked out of the ashes of Monarchy but your late injuries meeting with its discretion will teach a necessity of foresight not to adventure huge bodies as you are quia su● feruntur pondere