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A letter of a yonge gentylman named mayster Germen Gardynare, wryten to a frend of his, wherin men may se the demeanour [and] heresy of Ioh[a]n Fryth late burned, [and] also the dyspycyo[n]s [and] reasonynge vpon the same, had betwene the same mayster Germen and hym.
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Gardynare, Germen.
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1534
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STC 11594; ESTC S110810
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great paynes taken with hym gentylnes shewed vnto hym for his amedemeÌ„t The fole was so gloryouse that when he had nothynge to say for his opinion yet wolde he not reuoke it for losynge the glory and renoume which he had ones purchased among his bretherne but then euer fledde to this refuge that his conscyence was not satisfyed And yf you be desyrous to haue his facyon maner playnely declared vnto you no man that hath sene it can declare it better then saint Athanase doth in y e Arrians sayeng In theyr opynyons they be dyuers and variable euyn as the bestes that be called ChameleoÌ„tes chanÌ„ge theyr colour when they be reproued they be ashamed when they be questioned with they stycke and stagarre and after they take to them vnshame fastnesse pretende excuses But than yf any man coÌ„fute and reproue them in those excuses to they studye tyll they haue found out thynges that be not and accordynge as it is wryten they deuyse vayne thynges for this cause onely that they may persysre stande styff in theyr impyete And so doynge they do nothynge ellys but openly declare that they facke reason folow the peruersyte of y e Jewes To shewe you all y e meanes vsed for hys reconcylyacyon by the lordes and other of the kynges most honorable counsayle bothe spyrytuall and temporall it were very longe And of some parte therof ye shalbe I dowte not enformed by other But wherby ye maye suffycyentely perceyue hys obstynacye and arrogauÌ„ce and how lytell he was able for all the boste made of hys lernynge to say agaynst the trouth I shall wryte and declare vnto you His lernynge to saye the trouthe for his age was to be praysed yf hys arrogauÌ„ce had not made hym esteme it more euer theÌ„ it was I meane his lernynge in the tongues and other humanite for in any thyng els what so euer he hath kepte in store suerly he hath vttered none For his workes of heresyes be but Luther zwingliê° Hwyskyn and suche other translate out of latyne into englysshe And in his coÌ„municacioÌ„ how lytle he shewed by his answers made to my lorde my mayster bothe presently and by message ye shal easely perceyue iudge My lorde my mayster besydes y e gryefe that any man sholde wylfully of malicyouse arrogaunce cast away hym selfe bothe body and sowle berynge a specyall loue and affeccyon toward thys yong man bycause that ones he was hys scoler sent for hym vnto hys howse and there beganne to entre coÌ„municacioÌ„ with hym hereuppon thynkynge surely that yf the deuyll had not all togyther possessed hym y e wordes of our sauyour Cryste so manyfest the sentence of all lerned men before Berengariê° wicklife as well catholyke as heretykes the consent of Chrystes vniuersall chyrche from his blessed passyoÌ„ vnto this day shulde haue conuerted hym from his arrogaunt and malycyouse pryde But he hauyng ones alledged vppon a certayne poynte this place of Esaye Et acceperuÌ„t de manu domini duplicia vnderstandynge therun to for his purpose premia and theruppon y e boke shewed wherin folowed pro omnibê° peccatis suis beynge confounded wolde no more dyspute of any thynge but sayde excepte my lorde were touched wyth the same spiryte wherewyth all he was hymself yt shulde not auayle to dyspute wyth hym wherunto my lorde answered yf I shuld saye lykewyse to you and euery man to other then shulde no man labour to brynge in agayn him that ones were out of the ryght way For he shulde thynke with hym selfe â–ª this man is moued wyth an other spiryte than I am therfore I shuld lese my labour wherfore sayde he leue this founde persuasyon whan ye haue sayd what ye can for your part heare what I caÌ„ answere therunto say for y e tother yf your cause be the better why shulde ye not thynke to wynne me All this was not ynough to incorage hym to dyspute of y e mater any more but wythout any profe requyred his spyryte to be admitted and folowed nor my lorde coulde haue any other answere of hym yet after this consyderynge by all lykelyhode that yf he dyd answere nothyng indiffereÌ„t men must thinke he coulde answere nothyng the gloryouse fole affyrmed se the vanytie of arrogaunce that all the olde doctours of the chyrche were of his opynyon and professed that yf the contrarye opynyon were shewed vnto hym playnely declared by any doctours of the chyrche he wolde knowledge for a trouth but yet none artycle of the fayth For that Tyndale whose counsayle as myche as came not to late he folowed dyd in any wyse forbyd hym wyllynge hym not to bynde the conscyences of the people what a knauyshe kynde of flaterynge was this as though yt laye in hym to bynde and losen to byleue yt as necessary but to leue vnto theyre owne iudgemeÌ„tes to take yt as them lyste for a whyle The man entendeth whan he can spye a tyme to wryte agaynst yt and therfore wolde be loth this yonge doctour shulde haue done any thynge in derogacyon of his woâ—ke whome he estymed more than all the old fooles of his secte and had thought yf god had not preuented hym to haue lefte hym as heyre of his heresâ—es to perfyte all whych he had begonne as appereth by Tyndales letter sent vnto Fryth beynge in the towre But to retourne to the mater All good men vnderstandynge this promes of his to folowe thauthoryte of the catholyque doctours reioysed excedyngly For they hoped he hadde ment good fayth where as he dyd yt onely for a brage to get hym an opynyon and estymacyon amonge the rude vnlerned and a glorye amonge his brethern Other meÌ„ thought hym wonne when he wolde in any parte abandon his owne wyt and lene to authoryte Aboue all other my lorde reioysed as to whome yt semed that his scoler whome for his wyt he loued euer very hartely â—adde rysen from deth to lyfe trustynge that he hadde left his arrogaunce and yelded hym selfe to reason and therfore beganne very dylygently and ernestly to labour in takynge â–ª awaye suche causes as moued hym to doubte therin And bycause yt wold not synke into his hed that the naturall bodye of our lorde could be in two places at ones more than any other mannys bodye my lord answered vnto him that in this bodye be goten and brought forth agaynste the lawes of nature nature was notso mych to be regarded shewynge hym also that contrarye to the lawes of nature he rose from deth and thorough the stone wythoute eyther brokynge yt orr cushynge hys â—odye And yt is as moche agaynste nature to haue ii bodyes in one compasse at ones wythout thone geuyng place to thother as that one bodye shulde at one tyme be hole in two places whych our sauyour dyd not onely at that tyme but also afterwarde commyng thorough y e dore fast shyt wythoute brekynge the dore or hurtynge his bodye whych hauynge ones by deth ouercomeÌ„deth